Created

Last reply

Replies

35

Views

2.8k

Users

12

Likes

135

Frequent Posters

AngelsFlyAlone thumbnail
10th Anniversary Thumbnail Voyager Thumbnail
Posted: 8 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: tia.o

I know. Why is Dev's inability to handle his own temper somewhat becomes Sonakshi or for that matter Shruti's fault? As you said, if our previous generation of women stood up for every female victim and defended them instead of justifying the men, we'd be living in a world of equality.


It alarms me to no extent how many people still believe that men are superior and continue playing the double standard game. I'm still unsure if the next generation will live in a world of equality, because people find it cool when women pit other women. And sadly, this mentality continues to exist in Indian society.
AngelsFlyAlone thumbnail
10th Anniversary Thumbnail Voyager Thumbnail
Posted: 8 years ago
#12

Originally posted by: mily_mathew

Agree with u tia what dev did was not pardonable.It was wrong and how.But I don't want to bash him on the grounds of creative liberty.Its a show.But before saying what I want to say a small disclaimer.I am someone who believes in taking a stand.Spna was not at all empathetic or concerned towards Shruti.She clearly told her that this s d consequence of going after someone's money and charm.The old Sona would have been nurturing and caring towards shruti.But Sona yesterday Sona was cold ,manipulative(I think she did that in a subtle way)and vindictive.But I like this Sona.The one that lashes back,no nonsense kick ass one.But still I feel she was venting through Shruti.


She was clearly and quite obviously moved at everything. She's a woman, a human being. Doesn't she have any rights to have any emotions when her past comes tumbling before her eyes? She was also very uninterested to listen to Dev's business and asked to inform the receptionist for Shruti. That's hella classy. Also, there was no manipulation at all! She only used her experiences to tell Shruti to lash back! Did she hold her at gunpoint to mouth it all word for word to Dev? Isn't it common sense to use it in the correct context? Shruti is actually fantastic at ratta baazi so 👏👏 But man she forgot the logic quotient.
Tia.0 thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 6
Posted: 8 years ago
#13
Again, that different yardstick to measure different gender is my problem.

Why measure a woman on a saint yardstick and a man on a less human level?

I object when I hear people saying women are more patient than men, much stronger than men emotionally etc etc. I don't think that's true. It depends on personality, not gender.

Women appear that way because they have a higher yardstick to live up to.

But if she doesn't live up to that higher yardstick, so what? If she is angry, hurt and wants to hurt back, then why is she inhumane or doesn't have 100% pure thoughts?

Who does when we face the demons of the past? Emotional scars heal outside. But do they ever completely go away?

If you scratch the surface, don't they bleed?

Sonakshi has healed herself a lot to move away. Just like an abuse victim fall out of love with her abuser.

But bring another victim of the same abuser, the memory of the wound will come back like a phantom limb throbbing in pain.

Is she projecting her past on Shruti? Yes. But she didn't make Shruti's decision. She clearly said to do it for herself, not because she said so.

Then Shruti took the decision yet somehow it's Sona's fault.

Originally posted by: Tinkerfairy

Because fans have different yardstick to measure their standard.They want female to be ever understanding who is not human ,if she chose to ignore ,dare to go against male lead MCP behaviour ,their mind will go "how dare she ,can't she understand how much he "lou"her ,ya I know he insulted her ,threw her out ,manhandle her ,putting her down,but still how can you ignore his romance.Its your responsibility to understand him .he's poor guy in this don't you know.why Female lead doing So much ataychar on him,dont worry we will protect him." You know that's why indian television has barely any male lead character whom we can truly root for.all are made of same template male lead having major issues with forever understanding mahanta ki murat heroine.

Tia.0 thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail + 6
Posted: 8 years ago
#14
Yes, I agree. Sonakshi is no longer the nurturing person. She is cold and straight shooter. But she didn't manipulate or used Shruti for herself. Because if she wanted a payback for herself, then for Dev taking away her award, she'd have advised Shruti to call the media and stood there watching Dev's leftover reputation getting shredded.

But she told Shruti to either walk away or fight back so that Dev can't treat other women like he treated her.

Just like she gave Soha a choice.

If she had met Shruti under different circumstances and had bad-mouthed Dev in front of her, I would have believed Sonakshi is vindictive and manipulative.

If Sonakshi was standing outside her room waiting for Shruti to come out, I'd believe that.

But Shruti approaching Sonakshi can't be manipulated by Sonakshi. Her repeatedly asking for advice can't be associated with Sonakshi.

Did she project her experience in her advice? Yes. She certainly did. But a manipulative and vindictive person would stand there to see the result of her handiwork, not walk away and miss the chance to enjoy the result of her work.

That's why I don't think Sonakshi's intention was to use Shruti. The use was done by Dev and Shruti used her advice and then blamed Sonakshi.

Originally posted by: mily_mathew

Agree with u tia what dev did was not pardonable.It was wrong and how.But I don't want to bash him on the grounds of creative liberty.Its a show.But before saying what I want to say a small disclaimer.I am someone who believes in taking a stand.Spna was not at all empathetic or concerned towards Shruti.She clearly told her that this s d consequence of going after someone's money and charm.The old Sona would have been nurturing and caring towards shruti.But Sona yesterday Sona was cold ,manipulative(I think she did that in a subtle way)and vindictive.But I like this Sona.The one that lashes back,no nonsense kick ass one.But still I feel she was venting through Shruti.

mily_mathew thumbnail
11th Anniversary Thumbnail Sparkler Thumbnail
Posted: 8 years ago
#15

Originally posted by: AngelsFlyAlone



She was clearly and quite obviously moved at everything. She's a woman, a human being. Doesn't she have any rights to have any emotions when her past comes tumbling before her eyes? She was also very uninterested to listen to Dev's business and asked to inform the receptionist for Shruti. That's hella classy. Also, there was no manipulation at all! She only used her experiences to tell Shruti to lash back! Did she hold her at gunpoint to mouth it all word for word to Dev? Isn't it common sense to use it in the correct context? Shruti is actually fantastic at ratta baazi so👏👏But man she forgot the logic quotient.

Hey I'm nt on anyone's side.But I think if wer in Sonas position I would hav ignored and come back.U don't need guns for manipulation.And if she wanted Shruti to take a stand ,the dialogues would hav been frm Shruti's perspective.Sona was venting,which is ok If she had this guts with rr neha and ish Soha would hav a father today
malikakas thumbnail
19th Anniversary Thumbnail Rocker Thumbnail Visit Streak 30 Thumbnail
Posted: 8 years ago
#16
So I totally agree with you on principle. Its funny because I am a total feminist and usually get embroiled in the opposite conversation. And frankly I completely agree with your whole women are harder on other women than other men.

But the difference in whatever you are saying and what was depicted on the show is that Sonakshi wasn't "helping" Shruti, Shruti wasn't her friend and nor was Shruti a disempowered woman that needed her assistance.

Dev and Shruti were seeing each other for 2 weeks. Shruti decides that she loves him... Dev isn't required to reciprocate. He had the right to end things and since it was his hotel room, the reality is he had a right to kick her out. Do I think he did things well... Absolutely not. He was immature and kind of jerk-- but that's the character arc the writers are going for.

But did he do something truly wrong to Shruti... Not really. He didn't insult her, he didn't abuse her physically, he didn't molest her. He didn't even abuse her verbally. He just told her, he hated the word love and that was the nail in the coffin for the relationship and closed the door on her. Its sucks to be Shruti and definitely Dev could've been nicer about the whole thing but I don't see harassment or abuse. He's kicking her out of a hotel room.. she could probably just get another one or go home. Why does she suddenly get this victim tag? If she needs her stuff.. bang on the door and ask for it. When she went back in the second time, Dev didn't have a problem with her grabbing her stuff. And even when she started her vitriolic remarks, he was indifferent up until the point she called him Obodhoro.

For me, the only real thing I would question Dev on is whether he led her to believe they could have a serious relationship just to get her into bed. Then, yes, I'd buy her as a victim of "something". But as far as the words he used, that didn't seem likely.

So as much as Dev was not a paradigm of gentlemanly behavior, I don't think Shruti needed to be rescued from anything. And Tia you pointed out something in the other thread that Sona didn't stick around to watch. But then Sona herself wouldn't believe Shruti to be in any real danger from Dev.

And yes I didn't like Dev holding Shruti's arm that hard but i don't consider it much different from when Sona grabbed his collar. Both girls and guys can get physical when angry... If I don't hold it against Sona I wouldn't hold it against Dev.

Tinkerfairy thumbnail
13th Anniversary Thumbnail Voyager Thumbnail
Posted: 8 years ago
#17
You know I would have appreciate dev if he instrospected about why sona left him ,why she didn't understand him or didn't trusted him.how conveniently he forgot the words he said to her " Mujhe tumse pyaar karna hi nahi tha,shaadi karni hi nahi thi,nikal jao yaha se" After saying all this he was expecting her to stay with him.Its still all about HIM and HIM.Its like I know I insulted you and didn't gave any respect to our relationship but still you should have supported me.Or you should have respect for me.bhale hi Maine kuch bhi Kiya ho tumhare family ke saath and tumhe ghaar se bhi nikaal Diya.But tumne Mujhe "choda" Kyu.😕😕 Islye I don't believe in "lou"
flat_everest thumbnail
9th Anniversary Thumbnail Dazzler Thumbnail
Posted: 8 years ago
#18
Well!! Politicizing an issue ain't a good deed dear...With no harm to your repute in dis forum let m bring in a different pov here:
1.sorry dev threw dat ' I am what my name is gal out'.. that too without her shoes..Yes! He was wrong as a gentleman.But since leap he doesn't claim himself to b one. so I give him my benefit of doubt..That seems to b a posh hotel and d gal too must hav been chauffeur driven so she would hav been escorted back home safer..
2. Sonakshi by no means helped d other female.infact she led dar poor soul into d lion's den..Dev threw her out without harming her, Sona assured Sruti gets shown her place..U call dis help?? I don't think so

Lastly this show no where comes with a disclaimer dat it teaches u morality and female empowerment..Till date dey have lived in fiction with a slight touch of facts here and Dere..So rather Dan trying to finding an idealistic dev for your super feminist sonakshi bose, let's try to enjoy the new chapters of love n d names of suha and golu..

No harm no offense..
And tia I hav seen u praising sajedari show in one f your previous posts..I would suggest u try ek rishta swabhimaan in colors ..U might align well with the character s Dere esp Meghna and kunal..

Let dis not b treated as personal criticism..It's each one der own types!! I like dev and I like Sona too...I dislike ish but lov gkb no matter how money minded she s...I hav been watching TV since I was 5 and my serial experience says enjoy what's shown..
sajinifaby thumbnail
16th Anniversary Thumbnail Rocker Thumbnail + 5
Posted: 8 years ago
#19

Originally posted by: flat_everest

Well!! Politicizing an issue ain't a good deed dear...With no harm to your repute in dis forum let m bring in a different pov here:

1.sorry dev threw dat ' I am what my name is gal out'.. that too without her shoes..Yes! He was wrong as a gentleman.But since leap he doesn't claim himself to b one. so I give him my benefit of doubt..That seems to b a posh hotel and d gal too must hav been chauffeur driven so she would hav been escorted back home safer..
2. Sonakshi by no means helped d other female.infact she led dar poor soul into d lion's den..Dev threw her out without harming her, Sona assured Sruti gets shown her place..U call dis help?? I don't think so

Lastly this show no where comes with a disclaimer dat it teaches u morality and female empowerment..Till date dey have lived in fiction with a slight touch of facts here and Dere..So rather Dan trying to finding an idealistic dev for your super feminist sonakshi bose, let's try to enjoy the new chapters of love n d names of suha and golu..

No harm no offense..
And tia I hav seen u praising sajedari show in one f your previous posts..I would suggest u try ek rishta swabhimaan in colors ..U might align well with the character s Dere esp Meghna and kunal..

Let dis not b treated as personal criticism..It's each one der own types!! I like dev and I like Sona too...I dislike ish but lov gkb no matter how money minded she s...I hav been watching TV since I was 5 and my serial experience says enjoy what's shown..


lovely ..
Enjoy while it stays..
dont boil myself for a fiction
Does no good to me

randomramblings thumbnail
9th Anniversary Thumbnail Navigator Thumbnail
Posted: 8 years ago
#20

Originally posted by: tia.o

I didn't call you anything Sajni. Why are you thinking I am talking about you? I wrote a general post because I was shocked to see just how many people are ready to blame Sonakshi for being a human.

Tia being human is not the question here,our concern here is sona being judgemental and prejudiced. As i already said, i have no issues in her trying to help out, even willing to call the help desk for assistance so far so good. but the minute sona starts advising, that is where we feel the element of crass krept in. Being judgemental / prejudiced does not go well with any gender. this quality has to be abhorred irrespective of the gender.

I was surprised that other than Lavanya, not a single person opened a post talking about what Dev did. But every single person is talking about what Sonakshi didn't do or should have done.

What dev did with Shruthi earlier, is his reaction to her claims of love . shruti has every right to give it back to him in a way she feels fit. What sona did was fed her the necessary words which is not right. is that what shruti really wants to vent out at Dev or not no one knows. may be left to herself , either she might have pleaded her way around him ( like how sona came back to him inspite of being dumped earlier) or she would have bashed at him.

This is where sona over stepped her border. any thing between people going through a rough relationship should be said or done only by them. NO ONE needs to spoonfeed or preach the worthiness factor.


Why? My question is why should a woman has to be held in such a high standard?

Isn't she allowed to be human?

If her advice is coloured by her past, aren't our advice/comments/responses coloured by our past?

True our advises /comments/responses are always coloured by our own experiences and that is what makes them skewed. like you said in one of your own posts, the advise that asha gives to sona is skewed. similarly here, the advise that sona gave to shruti is skewed.

There are people here who is more concerned with how Sonakshi hurt Dev instead of thinking how Dev threw out a woman.

As is said in one of my earlier posts, i dont see any reason why we need to feel shruthi as a victim here. she has rattled a sore spot in her partner knowing very well that there is bound to be repercussions. to what extend and how derogative the retaliation will be, solely depends on the rawness of the sore spot. let's not oversee that she knew that Dev despises serious relationships. This fact is not hidden from her and if they were having a sexual relationship, the act was upon mutual consent.

This applies to both the genders, had it been that sona was in dev's place and her partner walks up to her and says she was ditched because she deserves it and if sona threw him out, i will still support sona as the other person had touched upon the sore spot.

So I am putting in my view.

I am sorry if my post felt personal to you. My post is against a thought process which always puts a man's pain over a woman's heartbreak.

I keep reading women are stronger than men. Are they? Or they have to be because no one empathize with their weaknesses?

Again as I said, it's not directed to any person in particular.

Related Topics

Top

Stay Connected with IndiaForums!

Be the first to know about the latest news, updates, and exclusive content.

Add to Home Screen!

Install this web app on your iPhone for the best experience. It's easy, just tap and then "Add to Home Screen".