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Originally posted by: WeRockTheWorld

This weekend I sat and watched the initial episodes ...and I was thinking how different it was then...even when there were difficult situations especially Neha's engagement...then the way Mr. Dixit got Sona out of her job etc...their realisation track ...everything had a touch of reality ...no drama like this ...their realisation track was the most beautiful one...I had the same expectation for infertility from the PH but sadly they just ruined it ...with the cliched drama that you get to see in any common serial in any other channel...that class it had it terms of story telling , screen play , camera angle , costume ...lighting everything from my POV is nowhere close to those initial days...

Originally posted by: mily_mathew

Regarding ish Sonas bonding they are keeping ur real.The team is purely for the baby.even shaheed said that in his iv.ish did not hav any problem with Ayan disrespecting Sona but the moment she fell down she was all concern.its good cvs are keeping her character intact.And Sona is someone who picks others battle and gets into trouble.Devs scene with god does not make any sense.I mean how long can he lie.If they come to knw she s nt pregnant what's the big deal.Dev can always treat her secretly without her knowing.Its not like Sona and ish would do a cbi investigation as to why Sona s nt pregnant.Does this guy has any brains

Originally posted by: gemini54

Yes it is sad indeed how the show has changed ..I think I am at the end of my tether Are there any other good shows out there that you guys recommend.

My only doubt are we sure we are watching or reading about the same show because people are saying how excellent and true to form this show is..just wondering

"Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't."

Originally posted by: Shaavi

Mark Twain said

"Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't."

This is true in life. When different people are shown a half glass of water, not everyone see it the same way. Some see half glass of water, some half empty, some may even say what difference does it make. It all depends on that persons state of mind, what he has seen in his life till then and what he has learnt. It is said that when a person is faced with extreme emotional situation, it either makes them or breaks them.

One of my uncle could not continue with this studies because he could not come out of the shock of his fathers death in his 12th grade. But my husband went ahead to fulfill the dreams of his grandmother, studied hard and did everything when he lost his father around the same time.

For some what they are showing might seem unreal, that educated people do not behave this way or these kind of things do not happen in 21st century. But for some this is real, it does happen even today, even outside India.

There was a news a few months ago regarding a woman who had hid her daughter in a closet for 14 yrs. Her boyfriend of 2 yrs was shocked to know that she had a daughter. Cause even though he regularly visited her or stayed there, he never once saw her or even the trace of her. And she lived in an apartment...

Another news said that this girl wanted to marry her mother's killer as she was convinced that he did because he loved her. The mother did not like him because he was a criminal and she had warned him to stay away from her daughter. But this guy did not like that. So he killed her, went to the girl, told he did it for her so that they can be together. While he awaited trial, he and that girl got married. She is now waiting for his release.

Another real life story I read was about Anorexia Nervosa (it is a eating disorder). In that the author talks about how her daughter changed. Till the daughter was 11 - 12 yrs old, she was hale and hearty, used to love to eat, burger and pizza were her favorites food. But then suddenly she changed and started dieting to the extent that she would eat like 2-3 grapes for breakfast. Would not eat in school. By 14, she had suffered a heart attack. The parents had to literally stay with her round the clock, to force her to eat something and also to make sure that she did not throw up immediately after eating. Was she not a good girl. She was. She was doing well in school, loved by her friends and teachers, she was an overall great kid. But nevertheless this did happen with her. The girl who loved eating took this 360 turn... How or why it happens the docs cannot explain it.

Recently a boy in our neighborhood died of choking. He was in 11th grade, a straight A student, who was once again liked by everyone who knew him. His parents trusted him. They jut left him for an hour alone at home to go to get something. When they came home, they found him dead. When the police investigated, they found that he had participated in an internet game called "choking game"(it is all called as the good kids high) and had suffocated himself. Is there any logical explanation as to why a smart kid who do something like this.

None of these make sense. But they do happen. All of the above happened in U. S.

it is very true that sometimes a person loses the capacity to think straight. It can happen to the best of us. When that happens we should give that person the benefit of doubt. Not everything is black and white. Some times it is not even different shades of grey. It can be an altogether a very different color.

I am not saying what Dev, Ishwari, Sonakshi or any of the characters are doing is correct. All I am saying is these things do happen.

Should the society change -- yes. But this change is gradual. It will not happen in a day, month or maybe even a decade. Also these changes are all not in the same speed. They occur in different times. Any show should be watched with a grain of salt. They do take these scenarios/events from real life. It may not be the life some have seen and some haven't.

We need to give the CVs time to execute their story and not expect everything to happen in that one episode. We still have some/long(not sure how much longer this series is) to go to actually see what they are trying to say...

Just wanted to share my thoughts. Did not mean to hurt anyone...

Originally posted by: tia.o

Do people react strangely? Yes, they do. But all the example you provided are either circumstantial incidents or mental illness.

In fact a normal educated person has to be pushed to an extreme situation with no hopes of getting out and helpless to do anything about it before they automatically switch to a criminal act.

A mother hiding her daughter in closet, for whatever reason is a criminal act so either she is mentally unbalanced or she is a criminal.

Same for the girl who wants to marry her mother's killer.

Anorexia Nervosa is a registered mental illness.

The boy who died of chocking or your uncle's father's death are all circumstances, not pre-planned action to deceive or harm.

Dev is neither a victim of circumstances beyond what he himself created holding all the card in his hands nor he is mentally ill or at least he was not. But then again may be he is mentally ill.

What Dev is doing is no way justifiable because his situation is NOT desperate nor extreme.

He has been married for less than 3 months. If he hadn't known about Sonakshi's infertility or Sona could become mother in natural way, will he still go through what he is doing? Will he still lie about Sonakshi being pregnant?

The question appears why does Dev think he had to lie? Just because his wife and his mother is getting along? There are many people in the world whose mother and wife don't get along, do they bribe doctors to make their wife pregnant?

He heard there is 7% chance of Sonakshi conceiving in a natural way. Did he take a second opinion? Heck they weren't even trying for a baby.

If they had been trying for baby for 10 years and Sona was breaking down in despair, his actions would still be criminal but at least understandable. At this point of life only being married for two months, his actions is not acceptable in any morality, ethics or extreme situation.

A husband bribing a doctor behind his wife's back for a medical procedure do happen. Like all the numerous stories we hear about husband bribing the doctor to get rid of the female baby and the wife wakes up without any baby.

However, we don't at least call those husbands good husbands. In fact we don't even ask what was their intentions or try to justify their actions. We just call them criminals and shitty excuse of men.

Yet, we claim Dev is a good person, a decent person who loves his wife and mother and excuse his behaviour where he is bribing a doctor to do a medical procedure behind his wife's back on her body. Thank heaven, the doctor has more integrity, decency and care for her profession than Dev has for his own wife he claims to love.

So either he is a criminal or a mentally unbalanced person. No decent person with normal state of mind can do what he tried to do in the situation he created himself.

Originally posted by: vibg

nice post!

Ishari & Sonakshi bonding is definitely temporary. Dev will learn the hard way after doing all he will do and still at the end.. if Sonakshi doesn't get pregnant with Dev's child... Maatajee will be back to her real self. this time, forget GKB, Ishwari will have neha by her side. Neha, who is on a self destructive path and ruining everyone else that comes in her way...her sister, her brother, her sisterinlaw, whoever! Neha will instigate IShswari's evil brain and get Sonakshi thrown out of Dev's life😡

Originally posted by: Shaavi

The situation might not seem like desperate to us, but it is for Dev. Dev is a guy who never knew what love is before Sonakshi. He found not just love, but also life from her. Even before the break up, every time she gave him something unconditionally, his love for her grew. When he broke up with her, he literally died every single second, broke into million pieces. Finally when he got her back, she became the most important person in his life.

Since marriage, Sonakshi has continued to shower him with unconditional love and her ever act of kindness and generosity has made her the most precious person in his life. His love for her has surpassed his love for Ishwari or anyone else in his life. But this has also made him anxious about her in his life. He not only cannot imagine his life without her, he needs her like a lifeline to function. If he even feels she is out of his vision for few seconds, he starts panicking and he lives with constant fear of losing her... It might seem stupid, but it is not for him.

Even with all this, he is still bound to Ishwari and his past. He still remembers his mom's sacrifices, what she went through and his feeling of indebtedness to her. He has not yet reached the stage where he can question his mother.

We can say if he loves Sonakshi so much why doesn't he defend her or tell others that they cannot insult her. The reason for this is he does not want to highlight the depth of his love to Sonakshi for his family. He remembers the last time what happened when he tried to force fit her to his family(the portrait taking and Ishwari ordering it episodes). He remembers what that led to. He also knows that if he tried to say anything to Ishwari regarding her acceptance, she might do a similar thing like the pills incident again. Here too Ishwari never told anyone that her overdose was accidental. Like everyone Dev thinks it was intentional. So for him that is a sword hanging on his head. What if she does it again because he tried to tell Ishwari to accept her.

What if he is faced with the similar situation. He knows he cannot survive without Sonakshi. Can he say he will move out with her?. Not really cause then the society will question him that is your love of 3 months more important than your mothers love and sacrifice of 20 yrs?. They are going to tell Sonakshi that she is the reason why Dev and Ishwari are separated. With the way Sonakshi's character is can she live happily with being asked this question. Will she be ok with Dev leaving Ishwari?... I dont think so...

Dev does know his mother. He wants to give her time to accept Sonakshi. That is his hearts deepest desire not just for him, but more for Sonakshi. He knows how much she craves that family love and affection. And it is going to come only when Ishwari loves and accepts her. And he wants to give all the worlds happiness to Sonakshi.

When he saw his mom showering that love and affection to Sonakshi, he was overwhelmed. He saw how happy Sonakshi was and it has become very important to him to make sure to keep that happiness at all cost.

Does he know that the love is conditional? -- On some level, yes... But for him it is like finding something to clutch at when he was drowning. He is going with the phrase "something is better than nothing". He is ready to accept this conditional love of Ishwari to begin with as opposed to no love or acceptance from her.

He knows what he is doing is wrong. But if with this wrong he can give the happiness that he feels Sonakshi deserves, he is ready to go through with it. This whole thing is more for Sonakshi than Ishwari.

I think I can relate to Dev cause I also behaved similar to this after I lost my twins. Having a baby became so important to me that i ignored everything else in my life. Did anybody push me to have baby soon after losing the twins -- No. Everyone infact told me that I should take time and take it slow. But I could not. I ended up having 2 misscarriages within 3 yrs of losing them. My doc was actually angry at me when I told her i am pregnant the last time. She was like what do you think you are doing?. What happened to you?. I told you not to do this, yet here you are. Did you even think about what I told you?... She actually shouted at me for 5 min before telling me to follow her instructions carefully. And she was there with me throughout the pregnancy and I had a beautiful girl.

I am an educated person. I am a software engineer and my brother is a doctor. He was upset too when I told him I was pregnant. He was like please dont do this to yourself. But somehow I could not accept what anyoen was saying me. For me having a baby became important.. As though my life depended on it. Now when I look back at that time, I wonder, what happened to me. Why did I behave that way?. I still have no answer...😊

Before judging Dev, I want to wait and see how the story unfolds. We may never know. He might not be able to go through with it when the time comes. He will definitely face the truths and will grow from it...😊