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Posted: 8 years ago
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Today's topic: CONSENT


This is one of the simplest concepts yet surprisingly incomprehensible in our society.

The reason it is so simple because there can be only two answers to this question.


- Yes, I agree.


- No, I do not agree.

Unlike other heavy questions of life, Consent has no grey area.

Yes means yes, no means no.

Yet it seems that this simple concept becomes murkier when it belongs to a woman.

No becomes - Yes, may be, sort of, kind of, I guess etc etc etc.

Yes becomes automatically implied.

Now comes the second part of Consent.

That is the right to give it.

Every human being has the right to give or not give consent for something that involves him and her personally and professionally.

If an adult human being is of sound mind and not under duress, they have the right to give consent for themselves.

No one else has the right to give consent for an adult person.

The law is clear on this and it's the same for all countries.

The only time one adult person can give consent for another person is when,

- They are related (Parents or spouse)

- The person on whose behalf the consent is being given is a minor (under 18). Even parents can't give consent for their children once they are over 18.

- The person on whose behalf the consent is being given is mentally unstable.

- The person on whose behalf the consent is being given is termed to be brain dead or in coma.

- The person giving the consent holds a power of attorney that gives him/her written permission to act on the other person's behalf

There is a reason intention has not been mentioned in any part of the law for consent is because well, FREE WILL is a basic human right.


Claiming that someone took away someone else's right to consent because he/she had good intention is violation of basic human right of free will and hence is not taken into consideration in any contract drafted in any country in any form whatsoever.

If Sonakshi takes away all Dev's company money and puts it in a Hedge Fund because she thinks it will make him richer. Should Dev forgive her and be grateful because her intention was good?

If one of Dev's employees tells Sonakshi that Dev's new product has a bug and if released it will destroy Dev's business and Sonakshi keeps mum because Dev is very excited about the product letting him go ahead with his planning, will Dev forgive her for her attempt to save his feelings by withholding the truth that can shatter his dream? Will her good intention count a whit then?

Would we expect him to forgive her regardless of the result?

No. At least money and business can be earned back. But health, once it's gone, can never be regained to its full capacity.


There are certain cases where intention matters and there are certain cases, intention doesn't matter a whit. Lying to someone that they are looking good in a dress they like is former, the situation CVs are showing is one of the later.

The funniest thing is that sitting in 21st century the fact that I am having to write a post on the meaning of consent is the biggest shame of our society.


EDITED:

Ishwari is now totally Sona's team. Hope it maintains when she finds out the truth.

Neha has now taken Ishwari's position in the "It's all about me" game. It's no longer about Riya's life being spared. Now it's all about Sonakshi has to be wrong. That's why her life needed to be sorted for Dev and Sonakshi's happy life.

Now as per spoiler, she will find out the truth that Dev was hiding. She will definitely use it against Sonakshi and it will destroy Dev more than Sona.

Karma is the biggest payback.

Tomorrow Dev will get a taste of his own medicine.

You see until now he had been holding all the cards and making people dance to his tunes.

He used his leverage to get Sona out of her job, to cancel Ritwik's loan, to take away Ranveer's job.

Yet, tomorrow, Ayan, that nobody little greedy punk, will take away his right to defend his sister and he will have to do as Ayan says without his FREE WILL or should I say, CONSENT?

He will now have to helplessly watch as his sister has to marry Ayan to save his lies or completely ruin his marriage including break everyone's heart and trust on him to save his sister's life.


What goes around comes around.


That's why they all say. Don't dig a hole for someone else for any intention, you might find yourself in it one day.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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A line from the movie Pink reiterates - No means no ! As simple as that.
And I think on Friday's episode Sonakshi said 'No' quite clearly. Dev is violating basic human rights which is a punishable offence in all countries 🤔.

I hear someone manhandled the wife again this time physically but the Goddess heroine forgave him and is shedding tears for him 🤪. I feel disgusting more for Sonakshi than Dev 🐷. And if Dev has done that so that Ishwari-Sona bond improves, must say he needs psychiatrist asap. What a twisted logic. 🤬
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Very well said.
I was talking to an American client of mine and he was generally complaining that he finds it difficult to understand Indians when it comes to either of two answers - yes or a no.

He feels that India is the only country that he has been to where a yes and a no can actuall mean the opposite!

I am afraid but I have to agree with him to a large extent... we have this uncanny knack of complicating the most simplest things... by assumptions, presumptions, or whatever and making life difficult for ourselves. In particular, We have not learnt the art of saying NO to something's...

It does apply to some key characters we see in KRPKAB... not shocking or surprising at all.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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True. I saw the spoiler too. Dev started with a lie to save Sona's feelings, then he lied more to hide the first lie, then he resorted to crime to turn the lie into truth by illegal means and now he is moving to murkier depth to hide the crime he committed.

It seems that he is in a quick sand he himself created where instead of using the ladder of the truth, he is adding more lies and fast-tracking his sinking...

For once Ishwari did right. I hope she maintains that stand when she finds out what Dev did.

Regardless of pregnancy, a woman doesn't deserve to be man-handled.

Originally posted by: Pehchaan.Kaun

A line from the movie Pink reiterates - No means no ! As simple as that.

And I think on Friday's episode Sonakshi said 'No' quite clearly. Dev is violating basic human rights which is a punishable offence in all countries 🤔.

I hear someone manhandled the wife again this time physically but the Goddess heroine forgave him and is shedding tears for him 🤪. I feel disgusting more for Sonakshi than Dev 🐷. And if Dev has done that so that Ishwari-Sona bond improves, must say he needs psychiatrist asap. What a twisted logic. 🤬

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Posted: 8 years ago
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True. It's very sad to see that India wants to compete in global scale yet struggles with basic concepts of human rights.

I have seen Canadians equally baffled by the problem we seem to have with consent. They don't get it that why yes or no has to mean anything else.

In 90% of tv show they show even marital consummation under influence of alcohol (which is actually rape if someone is not sober to give consent) or under duress or against free will.

This is so ridiculous that in today's day and age we have to see this in National television tells us a very bad aspect of our society..

Originally posted by: pkbdas61

Very well said.

I was talking to an American client of mine and he was generally complaining that he finds it difficult to understand Indians when it comes to either of two answers - yes or a no.

He feels that India is the only country that he has been to where a yes and a no can actuall mean the opposite!

I am afraid but I have to agree with him to a large extent... we have this uncanny knack of complicating the most simplest things... by assumptions, presumptions, or whatever and making life difficult for ourselves. In particular, We have not learnt the art of saying NO to something's...

It does apply to some key characters we see in KRPKAB... not shocking or surprising at all.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Seems like the doctor heeded to our advice
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Today the doctor spoke our mind 👏👍🏼. Dev and his bribing with triple fee. Only if money could buy honesty . Seeing him peeing in his pants whenever there is a chance of Sonakshi catching the lies is really funny 🤪
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Posted: 8 years ago
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There are certain cases where intention matters and there are certain cases, intention doesn't matter a whit. Lying to someone that they are looking good in a dress they like is former, the situation CVs are showing is one of the later.

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So True. Dev, can't get away morally or legally with what he is doing to Sona with the excuse of his good intention and his impulsive behavior.

About, today's episode.. Really I am confused whether i am watching KRPKAB or some other show.
Don't know what to say, and no idea where CVs are heading it towards. 😕
Even I don't know whether i liked the episode or not.. lol..😆😆

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Posted: 8 years ago
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amazing post tia
agree wid u
watched 6 epis today
how much ever right ur intention is if ur way is not right it ll hurt ..and in dis case it will hurt to d limit of shattering dem ...dev knows dat wenever d truth comes out ishwari n sona ll b broken but he does nt know d extent and he knows dey ll b angry and agaon he does nt know d extent ..
watever dev is doing can b understoof by some twosted logic but can never b justified no one can do that ...
when u do sth wrong unintentionally its a mistake but when u do the same thing knowingly it bcums a crime ...n u r always punished for d crimes u commit and dis tym m hopeful dat dev ll b punished badly ...
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Posted: 8 years ago
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When a story defies logic or reality I think words like consent does not have any meaning in regards to the context of the story.

Here we have a supposedly savvy businessman who does not know that pregnancy is something that grows eventually so cannot be hidden

A Woman who is a Dr to boot does not know her own body

The rest of the people cast including Easwari are just caricatures

How can you expect any semblance of reality. As I see it this story has officially derailed to a point of no return

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