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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: yyy

Saumiee please don't feel bad as I am gonna share a different opinion here . I would like to say it was a mother talking about her experience on motherhood .She said being the mother is the ultimate satisfaction for every women but she was talking from her experience and she did not mock women who can never be a mother.She was talking about herself here .She spoke about her experience of becoming a mother for the first time and the changes that brought in her life .She said once a women becomes a mother her first priority will be her kids .Isnt it true ? Few days back Sona dadi said the same about Asha as well .She said how a mother when tensed will not think of anything but her children .She is mother first then a Bahu

She is not a bad mother .She is insecure about Dev's love and that has led her to making some mistakes in life.She was the one begging Sona to marry Dev .She wanted to give Dev what he wanted and for that she could go to any extend even forget her self respect .Only a mother can do that .Lets not forget that she is Dev's mother not Sona's so expecting her to treat Sona as her daughter is not possible at this stage .The bond between a DIL and Mil will grow with time ,it cannot happen the day her son marries .

When she said about mama's boy she meant only a mother will know the dynamics between mother and child .Its like saying "Jab tum Maa banogi tum samjogi" .We have seen Asha using the same dialogue .Some maybe feel it was a taunt but for me it was just a way to convey her message that calling him mama's boy hurts her .Each it's own so won't force my opinion on anyone .

Coming to the taunt , I have the same rule for Ishwari ,RRand Bijoy .If Ishwari/RR was wrong in openly taunting Sona then so was Bijoy .Yes Dev made a mistake but being a elder person he could have handled the situation maturely .Taunting him when Ria's family memebers were present was not needed .Making a tamasha was uncalled for .Yes you are hurt but let's not forget that there will be a time when his daughter can make mistake (had made mistakes too ) but as a father you will not appreciate if they taunt your daughter openly .I know I am the minority here as many would disagree .

Chalo i got someone who thought Bijoy was OTT at Dixit's place. No you are not alone in it, even i felt the same.
About Ishwari, she started with herself but slowly she included all the women community in her speech. She could have just stick to her own story and then even her taunting would have been bearable.
I didn't liked Devakshi scene today. The way they both were behaving Dev and Sona irritated me to the core.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Malvika07


Exactly. Standing by Sona during infertility is not the way to redemption. And what's frustrating is that they were showing an excellent growth in dev's character post marriage for around 5-6 episodes. The various occasions when I expected him to yell, he hugged her tight. The diwali episodes were bliss. When he told mamaji he was proud of her, I was proud of him. Then they did a complete 180 with the jhoola and the maa issue. Now I just feel like punching Dev everytime he comes on screen. Ishwari toh I've given up on. But I had hopes from Dev specially after seeing his character grow. The CVs just messed it all up once again.

Infertility track is not a jail free card for Dev he has done many mistakes and then suddenly standing up for your wife's honour after a long slumber doesn't really make sense I want to see a gradual improvement in him by begin a better brother,SIL,BIL and most importantly a better husband coz right now he is pathetic.Infertility track can actually be a beautiful track between Devakshi where we might witness a vulnerable Sona and strong Dev I hope the makers live up to it.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: siddhi.d123

Infertility track is not a jail free card for Dev he has done many mistakes and then suddenly standing up for your wife's honour after a long slumber doesn't really make sense I want to see a gradual improvement in him by begin a better brother,SIL,BIL and most importantly a better husband coz right now he is pathetic.Infertility track can actually be a beautiful track between Devakshi where we might witness a vulnerable Sona and strong Dev I hope the makers live up to it.


Who knows if Dev has low swimmer count too! I wish they show it as a path breaking series! I would love to see how Devakshi deal with it Together!
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Malvika07

They seem like a confused lot. They seriously need to stop focusing on ishwari sooo much. It annoys the hell outta me when I see her weird expressions around Dev and Sona. Why did she have to spy on them today? And the party seemed more like a funeral. Everyone looked so stressed out and again ishwari's expressions during the cake fight were as if Dev and sona started making out in front of all the guests.


exactly enough of ishwari... focus on the couple... even focusing on them will also give then hundred of sub plots...perfect example is that akshara natik show which showed just about them and the growth of individuals post marriage...


i may look like fool but i would prefer watching a gul or ekta's family drama over this confused story
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Oh yes !! I didnt think abt that point...thanks for reminding me dear...thats a nice question...was media giving us a wrong info or was Shaheer faking his tears...but you do have a point...lovely post !!
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Awesome post especially the lines in bold.

Originally posted by: saumiee

Ever since I saw the episode, only one thought has been disturbing me

"How could Shaheer have real tears in his eyes during this speech"
I am wondering since an hour and I still cannot figure out.
The speech was the most fake, regressive and un-emotional use of words I have ever heard.
I felt zilch emotions during and after it. Did you feel the same?
I am honestly bored with Ishwari-Dev now. Want to mute most of their parts.
I don't even remember most of It now but it made it look like being a mother is the only sacred achievement of womankind. That you are nothing if you aren't a mother yet when a child grows up he forgets his mother. Mothers are born to suffer. They are the victims of wrath of destiny.

I am sure we have many mothers here and many daughters and sons who love their mothers eternally, The bond between a child and his/her cannot be explained in words yet this attempt tried that and actually turned out to be insulting to the beauty of how it actually is.

Ishwari saying "Jisne janm nahi diya hai usse kaise samaj ayega" "uske liye to mumma's boy rahega"
Was a taunt. No emotions attached. Clearly indicating how much Sonakshi will have to bear with only because she cannot be a mother.🤢 For Ishwari, being a mother is an ultimate achievement for womankind rest everything is secondary. I wonder would she have the same approach had her husband been alive? Had her parents been alive?
And what was with the taunts of Kaushalya and Ram ji?
Tell me just one moment when Dev abandoned you? Forgot you ? Tried to be happy without including you?
It was always about You!
Still this woman has the guts to emotionally blackmail the child that "You dare not forget me because I am the epitome of sacrifice and goodness. You owe me big time"
Ah! And yes, apparently this mother, who cherishes motherhood doesn't even mention or even look at her other three children!
How is that even possible. My mother always said that the children are like two eyes, you cannot choose which one is dearer to you. How is Ishwari so partial and the daughters okay with it?.
I was equally irritated with Dev today. I know he didn't do anything wrong today but just the fact that he is so supportive and equa encouraging for his mother irks me a lot. He literally roams around disillusioned these days, like a lost cow, with no decisions and thoughts of his own.
I don't relate this Dev to the sauve and smart Devrat Dixit who was ambitious and sharp to achieve and get whatever he wants. This Dev is actually an eight year old.
CVs you better give some character strength to Dev, it is quite bothersome now.
And great , One icecream and the guy is already shivering with fever!👏 Don't worry bay, Mumma is always there for you😳 Your wife can keep sulking and die of guilt and your ignorance.

P.S loved Bijoy Bose today😆🤗
P.P.S Please dont mind if my words are way to harsh today. I am angry and badly need to vent out😆

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: yyy

Saumiee please don't feel bad as I am gonna share a different opinion here . I would like to say it was a mother talking about her experience on motherhood .She said being the mother is the ultimate satisfaction for every women but she was talking from her experience and she did not mock women who can never be a mother.She was talking about herself here .She spoke about her experience of becoming a mother for the first time and the changes that brought in her life .She said once a women becomes a mother her first priority will be her kids .Isnt it true ? Few days back Sona dadi said the same about Asha as well .She said how a mother when tensed will not think of anything but her children .She is mother first then a Bahu

She is not a bad mother .She is insecure about Dev's love and that has led her to making some mistakes in life.She was the one begging Sona to marry Dev .She wanted to give Dev what he wanted and for that she could go to any extend even forget her self respect .Only a mother can do that .Lets not forget that she is Dev's mother not Sona's so expecting her to treat Sona as her daughter is not possible at this stage .The bond between a DIL and Mil will grow with time ,it cannot happen the day her son marries .

When she said about mama's boy she meant only a mother will know the dynamics between mother and child .Its like saying "Jab tum Maa banogi tum samjogi" .We have seen Asha using the same dialogue .Some maybe feel it was a taunt but for me it was just a way to convey her message that calling him mama's boy hurts her .Each it's own so won't force my opinion on anyone .

Coming to the taunt , I have the same rule for Ishwari ,RRand Bijoy .If Ishwari/RR was wrong in openly taunting Sona then so was Bijoy .Yes Dev made a mistake but being a elder person he could have handled the situation maturely .Taunting him when Ria's family memebers were present was not needed .Making a tamasha was uncalled for .Yes you are hurt but let's not forget that there will be a time when his daughter can make mistake (had made mistakes too ) but as a father you will not appreciate if they taunt your daughter openly .I know I am the minority here as many would disagree .



ok I agree to most of your points.. Ishwari was just talking about her experience as mother and not trying to mock other women..
You said we should not expect her to treat Sona as her daughter .. fine i will live with that... But how about treating her other children on par with Dev ?? why she never likes to do anything with her daughters ... why is she so hung up on Dev... A mother is good when she is good to all her children ...

also the problem is that Dev never abandoned her ... like she was saying that once kids grow big... Dev didnt have any friends and he shared his all day doing with ishwari alone... how can she still be so insecure..
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: yyy

Saumiee please don't feel bad as I am gonna share a different opinion here . I would like to say it was a mother talking about her experience on motherhood .She said being the mother is the ultimate satisfaction for every women but she was talking from her experience and she did not mock women who can never be a mother.She was talking about herself here .She spoke about her experience of becoming a mother for the first time and the changes that brought in her life .She said once a women becomes a mother her first priority will be her kids .Isnt it true ? Few days back Sona dadi said the same about Asha as well .She said how a mother when tensed will not think of anything but her children .She is mother first then a Bahu

She is not a bad mother .She is insecure about Dev's love and that has led her to making some mistakes in life.She was the one begging Sona to marry Dev .She wanted to give Dev what he wanted and for that she could go to any extend even forget her self respect .Only a mother can do that .Lets not forget that she is Dev's mother not Sona's so expecting her to treat Sona as her daughter is not possible at this stage .The bond between a DIL and Mil will grow with time ,it cannot happen the day her son marries .

When she said about mama's boy she meant only a mother will know the dynamics between mother and child .Its like saying "Jab tum Maa banogi tum samjogi" .We have seen Asha using the same dialogue .Some maybe feel it was a taunt but for me it was just a way to convey her message that calling him mama's boy hurts her .Each it's own so won't force my opinion on anyone .

Coming to the taunt , I have the same rule for Ishwari ,RRand Bijoy .If Ishwari/RR was wrong in openly taunting Sona then so was Bijoy .Yes Dev made a mistake but being a elder person he could have handled the situation maturely .Taunting him when Ria's family memebers were present was not needed .Making a tamasha was uncalled for .Yes you are hurt but let's not forget that there will be a time when his daughter can make mistake (had made mistakes too ) but as a father you will not appreciate if they taunt your daughter openly .I know I am the minority here as many would disagree .

Oh absolutely not! It is nice that this thread is open to all the sides of a coin, makes up for an interesting discussion.
The speech started of as Ishwari's own experience and the sense of fulfillment that motherhood gives. Very true.. and I could emotionally connect to the dialogues to some extent but it soon drifted of to generalizing everything about each and every mother. I specially did not like the Vanvaas analogy, her saying, maa piche reh jati hai, asal zindagi me kaushalya vanwaas jati hai. ..You know this is the reality of many sects in the society, but this coming from Ishwari whose son has given up even his life once to make Ishwari happy.. And the boy did not even complain of it. .He makes sure Ishwari's blessings are always with him..did not make sense to me.
He is made to take guilt trips again and again and this speech, on his birthday need not include the fact that children abandon their moms, when clearly Dev is not of that category, inspite of mom's world being their children and lastly adding the line 'Mera dev aisa nahi hai" was just emotional manipulation further.
This is how I saw it, the emotional manipulation may not be intentionally done...but it was done. Plus the Mama's boy line was an indication that she doesn't really care if people look down upon her and Dev's bond and she is proud of it and it is beyond understanding for Sonakshi. And also that they are unique.
Yyy, you said Ishwari is not a bad mother just insecure. I say Ishwari is a good mother if you take out the insecurities. Whatever she has done knowingly or unknowingly, in the name of her insecurities, does not fall in the category of a good mother.
Bijoy was a little too much, I won't deny, by openly insulting the dixits like this but I felt this was much needed for Dev to wake up a little to handle the situation immediately and bring in practice what he corrected in his mind. Bijoy has always been impulsive and later all this was brushed aside as a joke. And Bijoy was hurt that his wife was hurt. I liked how, even if his way was wrong, he did not take it silently.
This speech would have a different impact had it been from Asha or even from Dev for ish, because for him his mother is the best.
Ishwari's speech had no impact on me as a viewer, it did not have real emotions just words.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I feel better after reading so many poets about the Ishwari speech. Initially I thought I was alone, and being a man, could not understand the true feelings of a woman., I am glad that my sensibilities are intact and gas nothing to do with gender.
I was also waiting to see what Shaheer saw in the scene that he cried! As you rightly said, I had zilch feelings during the speech... maybe he knew that Ishwari was going to get bashed up again and supriya would want to leave!! No other explanation...

I think the CV's should make the story move on and detoxify the Dev-Ishwari scenes... to show profresssion of a mom to a MIL and a baccha to a man!
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: pkbdas61

I feel better after reading so many poets about the Ishwari speech. Initially I thought I was alone, and being a man, could not understand the true feelings of a woman., I am glad that my sensibilities are intact and gas nothing to do with gender.

I was also waiting to see what Shaheer saw in the scene that he cried! As you rightly said, I had zilch feelings during the speech... maybe he knew that Ishwari was going to get bashed up again and supriya would want to leave!! No other explanation...

I think the CV's should make the story move on and detoxify the Dev-Ishwari scenes... to show profresssion of a mom to a MIL and a baccha to a man!



There was no need of giving so big speech in front of guests and daughter's would be in laws. Everyone knows mother's role in children's life. CV's are introducing infertility track and thats why this big speech on mother's emotions. Now we are gonna see the dialogue tum to maa nahi ban sakati tum kaise samjogi maa-bete ka rishta by ishwari. It was for this future developments/dialogue this whole scene was written.

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