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Posted: 8 years ago
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The forum is absolutely not mocking or making fun of Ishwari's situations or her Pitiable past.
My heart goes out to her knowing that she lost her husband early in her marriage.
So its definitely not her situation but her intentions that we are upset about.

You may be right about honeymoon.It is definitely not the right time for Dev to to plan for his honeymoon.
you may also be right saying that Ishwari is a special case and needs to be dealt with utmost care and sensitivity.

But How do we expect Dev to deal with this sensitive case or solve her problem unless her intentions are clear with Dev and she will be truthful expressing her concerns with Dev?
Dev can at least expect this from his mom right? To be truthful to him and not over complicate the things by putting him under over hyped lifelong debt towards his family and relatives.
I have never seen her expressing her honest and actual concerns with Dev. She is always seen to distract him by putting him under obligations and family pressure.

I will give you an example of honeymoon incident to prove my point:
In her mind she knows that she has something called as separation anxiety from Dev specially when she knows that Dev is not going alone and is on a love making trip with his wife.
(quiet evident from her conversation with her inner self in post dinner bedroom and Flashback sequence).
She is certainly not happy knowing that she would have to stay away from Dev for 15 days which I am sure she must have stayed in the past but presence of Sona in Dev's life will make a difference this time.

Why can't she be honest with Dev and express her actual concerns than Playing Neha as a victim card?
Dev being an honest and straightforward person is bound to believe what he hears from his mom and do needful to solve her aforementioned concerns only.
Unless she tells Dev what she actually worried or afraid of ,how can we expect Dev to be sensitive to her unknown issues?

It is one of her wrong intentions that makes me upset.

Please don't tell me that its Sona's or Mama's responsibility to make Dev realize of Ishu's insecurities.
Even if they do ,there are very slim chances that Dev would believe them and they might end up ruining their own relationship with Dev while creating a false image of his mom.Not that they are doing it but Dev will misunderstand them doing so.
Everybody in the house can sense Ishwari's insecurity and discomfort for Sona except for Dev because Dev only believes what he hears from his mom about his mom.
His relationship with his mom is transparent and honest from his side at least. He leaves no scope for others to say anything to him about his mom as he trusts his mom blindly. If someone says anything to him about his mom he would directly go to his mom and confronts her.
Remember the break-up incident. Sona was screaming from roof top about his mom being unhappy with this relationship but he refused to accept it.I am sure even Mamaji couldn't convince him of his mom's unhappiness towards his relationship with Sona as much as he was convinced himself when he secretly saw his mom uttering same in an unconscious state.

I cannot think of any other dignified way for Ishwari to redeem and correct herself than expressing her true concerns with Dev rather than others doing it.
and for that she needs to correct her intentions.

So I guess my answers to your post is -
with all due respect and sensitivity to Ishwari's past and present situation ,it's her wrong intentions not putting her in a good light.


PS:Please don't call DevSona's Honeymoon as bloody honeymoon.
It is one of the most memorable and beautiful phase of newly married life. Dev Sona deserves every bit of it whenever the time is right for them.

PPS:-Please don't say that Ishwari has no one to talk to in this house.
Ishwari has the best brother in this world.His brother is the most sensible and composed person on this show. If Ishwari is just looking for someone who she can share her feelings and emotions with then Mama ji is even better and more rational than Dev.
Unlike Dev Mamamji ofcourse is not in a financial position to handle all her lifelong debts and obligations but he certainly got a sensible nerve to support her emotionally and mentally with more logical and judicious mindset than Dev.
Mama ji may not blindly agree to anything she says but he will ensure that she gets the fair and logical opinions from him.

I still dint understand 'instead of killing her everyday, making her cry at this age better directly kill her. ' part 😕






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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: -SparklingVibz-

Yes. But I probably am with a more bigger perspective. Did Dev ever object being given preferential treatment? Irony enough 😆


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1. Dev, Nikki, Rhea do not even know they are being discriminated. They think its normal, that is how Ishwari's upbringing is. Had either of them have any inking towards it then may be they would have repaired Ishwari long back.

2. Only Neha sees this difference since she is of similar age to Dev and she became an early mother thanks to Ishwari. Ishwari did not let Neha study citing poverty. Why did we witness Neha's outburst so often ? Because of the differentiation.

3. Neha has not been able to communicate this differentiation to any of her sibling in a wise manner giving them proper reasoning etc.
She only tells them that dont expect so and so. She is the only character apart from Mamaji who knows the real Ishwari. Mamaji wants to be on the safer side with Dev and Ishwari.

4. None of the siblings have seen another mother giving equal treatment towards sibling children - to compare and analyse.

5. Dev is emotionally immature, these days shown as intellectually too!

6. Since Nikki, Rhea are physically present in the house they are atleast recognized. Otherwise Ishwari has only 1 child which is Dev - rest 3 are just Ishwari's toys to bring Dev back to her, like Sonakshi is a toy for Ishwari to bring Dev back to her. Fortunately or Unfortunately Ishwari gave birth to Neha, Rhea and Nikki.

I can completely relate to Neha before her marriage not after sadly. The after part was used to justify Ishwari.

Yes I am being blunt but after reading so many posts, giving this show a thought - this is what I understand of Ishwari.

I do not have kids neither married - so I cannot talk about a Mother's perspective hence I read those posts but I do not comment, but son/daughter discrimination is something I can relate to though I have not experienced it.

Edited by OmNaMaSteOm - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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can you explain what basic things Dev forget. he still listens to his mother give job to un deserving person taking risk of his company maybe face a loss because of an un experienced employee because his mother told him. he still eats her cooking food. he still sits with her talk to her his daily routine .so according to you what basic things he is ignoring. coming to Honey moon its every right of newly married couple.what he can do with Neha problem how can he solve it. neha problem is money and Dev can give it to her but ranveer don't accpet. he knows that and he can't go to ranveer and say that you leave your parents and responsibilities only think about my sister only. only neha herself can solve her problens with her mother guidance. and why would always dev should understand for a change why can't his family understand him. he is working very hard since 20 years .if he want some time for him then why don't they understand and let him happy for some time before burdening with family responsibilities. is it too much to ask.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I agree to you and Ishwari for one thing only. When daughter is not happy with the married life, she cannot see son and DIL to be happy
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Hello TM you belong to this forum! I am shocked. Such sensible compassionate understanding member existed here,? I am thankful to God. Still motherhood is respected in this land of gods.
I am grateful to you for posting your views. Please don't go away. Ninety nine percent of the members take pleasure in abusing a mother who needs our concern,love and sympathy. If Dev and Sona can not go for HM it is a crime done by Iswari. You used the correct word. Bloody Honeymoon!

Kudos to you for feeling for Iswari who is a mother first above everything.My heart broke when she is called names,when the equation between her and Dev is described in the meanest manner I can't explain how I felt. If Supriyaji reads all those how would she feel as a mother and as an actress?

Yes it is wrong timing for HM. Atleast Dev should have stopped his plans if not Sona from whom I won't expect anything.
I thank my day that I found you here. Today only vexed with the state of people's minds I posted in some one's thread that Iswari should divert herself more into religious activities. Atleast I hope she may find peace with herself.
Thank you for respecting a mother however different she is.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Danseuse


Nice post. Ishwari is a good possessive mother who is changing to include Sonakshi in her life. She is also accepting changes in her son's behaviour - as seen in yesterday's episode. But she knows Dev deeply. Sonakshi is yet to reach there. 😃 But the precap is again showing her indulgence in Neha's behaviour and her high expectations from Dev, which is not correct. As a mother, she needs to first talk to her daughter and Ranveer and find out what has gone wrong. Or who is wrong! Just keeping her daughter hidden away from the Society would not help resolve problems. Dev is a successful businessman and has several other important matters to handle. Why can't Ishwari try and resolve this problem and then turn to Dev?

Besides, there is no reason for Dev-Sonakshi to postpone their honeymoon for Neha-Ranveer. In a best scenario, they can be asked to join in!! But then, privacy is lost. Or send them somewhere else. 😃 But, why wait till Neha-Ranveer reconcile? 😲 That is uncalled for...Lets see what the CVs have in store for viewers.


-Rekha


Does Ishwari really know Dev, Does Dev really know Ishwari. Well the answer would be a big No in both cases. The two just pretend to know each other. but in reality they have no clue what goes in each others minds and lives. They try to make each other happy even If that means telling lies to one another. Like Dev never disclosed how stressed he was all these years, that he had to rely on sleeping pills or how upset or hurt he was after breakup with Sonakshi due to Ishwari. Did he tell he broke up because of Ishwari no, because he didn't wanted to make her unhappy and Ishwari belived that. Ishwari never said she disliked Sonakshi as Dev's partner, she kept lying to Dev n what happened "Pills overdose" which still is suicide attempt as far as everyone around Ishwari is concerned, no one knows the reality of pills overdose by accident. Until these two would keep lying to each other, nothing will be sorted out in their lives. And Ishwari does have a obsessive behaviour when it comes to Dev, like I said in another post, It is very important in psychiatric treatment (not considered a good thing to talk in Indian society) to realise and accept that a person has a particular unstable state of mind only then they can be treated well with the help of family. If you keep denying of having any problem because one is elder or with respect, things keep accumulating in wrong direction and becomes problem for the individual and all. In real life such mothers have broken marriages of their sons n shattered lives of couple's and kids If involved. This from some real life incidents by member posts on forum.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@ Shilky 88

PPS:-Please don't say that Ishwari has no one to talk to in this house.
Ishwari has the best brother in this world.His brother is the most sensible and composed person on this show. If Ishwari is just looking for someone who she can share her feelings and emotions with then Mama ji is even better and more rational than Dev.
Unlike Dev Mamamji ofcourse is not in a financial position to handle all her lifelong debts and obligations but he certainly got a sensible nerve to support her emotionally and mentally with more logical and judicious mindset than Dev.
Mama ji may not blindly agree to anything she says but he will ensure that she gets the fair and logical opinions from him.


I am sorry I disagree. He is not the best brother in the world.
What makes you feel that he is sensible? Is it his sensibility that he goes on living with his sister's family even after her son got married and the new bride came in?
Did he ever insist Dev to arrange for a separate accommodation? Atleast after marriage?

GKB never works or assists any one at all. Did he try to mend her ways?

Vicky. How could it be called sensibility when he chose to be silent at that time when GKB and Vicky pressurised Dev through Iswari to get appointed at a higher post? Doesn't Mamaji know his useless son is a college dropout who wasted Dev's money ?
You call him sensible when all I can see is his selfishness.

What lifelong debts you are mentioning that Iswari has ? What obligations? Iswari's son is there to get her out of financial crisis if there is any. As per the spoilers Dev even may extend help to Sona's brother.
What logic and justice Mamaji can show for his prolonged stay at Iswari Nivas and for silently accepting Vicky's undue employment at Iswari communications?

He is not fair as he appears to be.I gave the instances where he is anything but fair.
It is easy to handle people like GKB and Vicky we know they manipulate. But parasites like Mamaji are more dangerous in the long run.



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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: ltelidevara

Hello TM you belong to this forum! I am shocked. Such sensible compassionate understanding member existed here,? I am thankful to God. Still motherhood is respected in this land of gods.

I am grateful to you for posting your views. Please don't go away. Ninety nine percent of the members take pleasure in abusing a mother who needs our concern,love and sympathy. If Dev and Sona can not go for HM it is a crime done by Iswari. You used the correct word. Bloody Honeymoon!

Kudos to you for feeling for Iswari who is a mother first above everything.My heart broke when she is called names,when the equation between her and Dev is described in the meanest manner I can't explain how I felt. If Supriyaji reads all those how would she feel as a mother and as an actress?

Yes it is wrong timing for HM. Atleast Dev should have stopped his plans if not Sona from whom I won't expect anything.
I thank my day that I found you here. Today only vexed with the state of people's minds I posted in some one's thread that Iswari should divert herself more into religious activities. Atleast I hope she may find peace with herself.
Thank you for respecting a mother however different she is.

That is really sweet of you.
I have been so sad seeing the way people make fun and mock Ishwari on this forum, they even disrespect the relationship so much that they doubt why Ishwari wont let Devakshi get physical in such a disgusting manner.

You know we all are of that age that we relate to Dev or Sonakshi more, maybe some big women would relate to Ishwari.

I know what a mother means, she has the most precious love for you. You wife may leave you, but your mother will never. It's heartbreaking to see that at this age she is being so tormented mentally that she can't even sleep.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I am not sure about "as wrong as" but she is wrong in my view.

Yes, all mothers need respect, love, affection and space in their children's life forever. I would hate to lost the special place in my children's life and would never wish that on my parents or ILs lives.

Ishwari and Dev have a special relationship. Not special in being mother and son but theirs in unique in that they run the family. He is the man of the house and she is the lady of the manor.

I believe every child, however hard a parent tries, ends of being treated differently. Purely because they are all individuals and need to be cared differently. Different strokes for different folks! So I won't blame Ishwari for how she interacts with each of her children.

From what is portrayed, Ishwari is an intelligent, sympathetic, well groomed, sophisticated lady. There is no ignorance and naivety shown.

Sonakshi has always been shown polite, intelligent, adaptable and like anyone in their 20s, excitable and willing to learn.

Now when Sona comes to Ishwari's house, after marriage, she, Ishwari and we clearly know who has the upper hand. This is like someone made a post about the bus passenger, driver and his favourite passenger.

IMO, it is only and only Ishwari's job to give Sona the space. Like she wished well and went to speak to Sona about the navratri vrat. Its her job to show magnanimity, accept Sona will make mistakes. It was not wrong of Ishwari to ask Sona to stay away from Dadi bua but when she didn't and then ended up making the mistake of coming to pooja with her footwear, it should be Ishwari who says that is fine, come and help me clean. While Bola was allowed to help clean, Sona was asked to leave. That is insulting.

What goes around does come around. Might not be the shape or form but it does. And hence the honeymoon plan and Neha.

Faith is important. Maybe Ishwari should spend more time in religious activities or what ever that gives her the understanding to accept and willingness to look at Sona as only her children's age; Sona is not Ishwari's competitor. She has come to fill the gap that Ishwari can't fill in Dev's life. There is a reason why typically man of the house and lady of the house are married and share a lot more than daily stories and meal at the table!




What goes around comes around.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Umm sorry but disagree. It is absurd how that woman begs forgiveness from god when she allowed non veg food to be served at the wedding but did not feel an ounce of regret for decievingly taking her son's signatures. Honestly that is one hell of a toxic relationship. Hate her so much

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