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Busymommy

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Posted: 8 years ago

#31

Originally posted by: sun29

just like for sona ,dev also lives in constant fear of losing her...why he gets irritated when she insists on sharing his past...what if she cannot bear it and leaves him,what would she think of his mother or his family...he cannot let his mother fall in anyone's eyes ...hence this wall all around him when that past is mentioned...

but as the track goes i see him realizing the unfairness of all of this on sona as all their effort to have a married life keeps on failing due to his family issues...i se him opening his past to her...ishwari ka insecurity has to reach its peak before she falls and that has to be something major between dev and sona...if dev shares his past with sona it becomes evident in her face the importance sona holds for him...she would be unable to turn a blind eye to that...

wonder what she did that khatri scares the life out of her ...the reason tomorrow if dev breaks this cord would be sona and never their past...only from there would start her redemption...

and sona was upset about lying to maa and rightly so..but then dev knows his mother very well...as said in first promo..woh kuch bolti nahi par mein samajh jaata hoon...and that is scary ...

as i had mentioned in one of my posts dev scares me to some extent...he is indeed complicated and dark ...like a vortex sucking you in ...sona is going to go through hell and back before they attain any sanity in thier wedded life..and true it is not possible for a person who spend 28 years of his life in darkness to embrace light so easily..dev is trying ,struggling he too will falter and they may finally find their sunrise and peace ...actually am very excited for this phase of the story..hopefully makers avoid the constant melodrama and give us balanced episodes...

I have been a silent reader of your responses on most posts and your view resonates with me. Honestly Dev's behavior was more puzzling to me than Ishwari's. I can make some sense of his behavior now. I feel for Dr. Sonakshi Bose, I miss the bubbly, chirpy, spunky gal we got in the initial episodes. 😭

Yes balanced episodes please CVs, the episodes these days are either full of fluff or too much angst.

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Aazeen02

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Posted: 8 years ago

#32

Di, I will come directly to this dark past part.

Well, to be honest, I was expecting this right from the time Khatri case came into account.

And what you are saying is also valid, that both Ishwari and Dev know about that past, but both aren't verbal about it.

I don't think Khatri's comeback, though, I am expecting the same turn of events repeating.

Well since yesterday I have been thinking about Vicky and Elena's case. Was having this discussion with a friend that I am dreading a physical and emotional abuse by Vicky to Elena. In clear words, a rape. He will do this either before or after marriage, and then dump her, or blackmail her, or whatever. I am not having comfortable thoughts there.

And what ehsaan ehsaan ishwari is yelling at the top of her lungs will be rudely shaken if this happens. Because she will exactly be knowing what it is to stand in Elena's place.

As to Dev, I will wait for his reaction actually, because he is a witness to his past that is dancing before his eyes again.

GKB is going to get a get out there, but what will Dev and Ishwari do to Vicky is worth a watch.

Towards the closure of this track, one thing I am telling for sure, we are going to lose the innocence out of our hearts towards the story, just like dev lost his childhood.

I don't mean it in a negative sense, that's how life is. There are some earth-shattering moments in our lives when we are forced to walk out of the innocence to see the harsh realities. That's life.

And if handled nicely, this is going to be a super awesome track. WE need to stop preaching just the daughters, we need to even shake our sons out of their delusion of the superiority they may feel on females. A lesson to learn.

I am copy pasting a reply I had given a few days ago to someone's post after maamiji telling vicky to show elena her aukaad, during the ceremony. That post was about the parents not teaching their sons to respect women.

That's my own real life incident that I shared:

I live in a kind of joint family, and I, my elder sister and my cousin brother grew up together like siblings.
Since I and my cousin brother have an age gap of a few months, we were hard to handle together. Fighting was a primary thing, he being the boy was more aggressive, I being a girl was a LITTLE subdued, not like I would take it like a door mat, but more because he was out of my league swift in saving himself from me giving it back to him.

As we grow into adolescence, we grow a little conscious of ourselves and even with brother and sisters we try not to misbehave in any inappropriate manner. I understood this, but not my brother, he would continue with all his childish things that would go to hitting once in a while(just like siblings do).

We would fight so often that both our mothers were fed up of us being together. And I eventually had learned to deal with it instead of complaining to our mothers. (His mother used to take my side and my mother his, so that the thought of siding with one's own children doesn't pop up)

I was somewhere in my mid teens, (he too was) when one day my mother found me sitting in one corner of the house, and I was kind of hiding my tears from my mother. But moms are moms, you cannot hide anything from them. And she caught me and literally cajoled me to tell what was wrong.

I had to eventually tell her that my brother had hit me, and I was hurt (both physically as well emotionally since it was my teenage and I used to get very emotional).

That was the only time when my mother went to my brother and literally lovingly explained him that you brother and sisters love each other so much that you guys spend the entire day with each other, teasing, manaaoing and what not... All is fine until it is verbal, don't get to hitting her beta, she is your younger sister...

This was until it was my mother's turn to explain. But when his mother came to know that he has been hitting me, she literally took her slipper in her hand and gave him good ones, saying how dare you hit her daughter (my aunt called me her daughter). She literally made it clear once and for all that if you can't respect your sisters, better stay away from females, but dare you do stuffs like this ever again...

That was the day, today is another day a decade after this incident. That guy, my brother, is a through and through gentleman at this point. We have seen him transform. Only because HIS mother didn't take the shit he was doing... She brought him on the right track...

I and my brother still fight, like maniacs, coz we just can't digest our food until we fight 😆, but it remains to nok jhok, and all stupid stuffs.

It is not just the duty of a girl's parents to keep protecting their daughter. It is the duty of the boy's family too, to make their sons learn to keep their excess sight away from making the girls insecure. Once they are not insecure, they will themselves look protected..

Aur rahi baat Vicky ki, toh beta, give it a try and cross the LOC of your decency, your own dear bade Bhaiyya is going to throw you and your useless mother out of this house, to a facility free home called prison, and you will know what exactly it is to show a girl their aukaad, when you yourself are no better than a gutter infested insect...

Those were my thoughts on how my brother was grown. And I think, they will show the contrast of not just Dev and Vicky's values, but also the massive difference in the upbringing that Ishwari and Radha Rani did.

They are not just two women one of whom is a homely dedicated woman and the other is not. It also tells the mentality of difference about two women who are very proud of having sons (Since sons are supreme... Sorry... I am sounding a chauvinist. But I am talking from their pov). Giving birth to a boy is not as much a big deal than making them a gentleman.

Gandhari gave birth to a hundred sons... I will take Duryodhan into account.

Kunti gave birth to six sons (Karn included) but I will take Arjun into account [NOTHING TO DO WITH SHAHEER...😉😆]

both of them belonged to the same clan, but the upbringing? Boost to the egos? The teaching and preachings they both got?

It made both of them totally different personalities.

And I am expecting the similar contrast to be shown... Did I indicate a Mahabharat happening?😉😆

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siddhi.d123

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Posted: 8 years ago

#33

Originally posted by: Aazeen02
Di, I will come directly to this dark past part.
Well, to be honest, I was expecting this right from the time Khatri case came into account.
And what you are saying is also valid, that both Ishwari and Dev know about that past, but both aren't verbal about it.
I don't think Khatri's comeback, though, I am expecting the same turn of events repeating.

Well since yesterday I have been thinking about Vicky and Elena's case. Was having this discussion with a friend that I am dreading a physical and emotional abuse by Vicky to Elena. In clear words, a rape. He will do this either before or after marriage, and then dump her, or blackmail her, or whatever. I am not having comfortable thoughts there.

And what ehsaan ehsaanishwari is yelling at the top of her lungs will be rudely shaken if this happens. Because she will exactly be knowing what it is to stand in Elena's place.
As to Dev, I will wait for his reaction actually, because he is a witness to his past that is dancing before his eyes again.
GKB is going to get a get out there, but what will Dev and Ishwari do to Vicky is worth a watch.

Towards the closure of this track, one thing I am telling for sure, we are going to lose the innocenceout of our hearts towards the story, just like dev lost his childhood.
I don't mean it in a negative sense, that's how life is. There are some earth-shattering moments in our lives when we are forced to walk out of the innocence to see the harsh realities. That's life.

And if handled nicely, this is going to be a super awesome track. WE need to stop preaching just the daughters, we need to even shake our sons out of their delusion of the superiority they may feel on females. A lesson to learn.

I am copy pasting a reply I had given a few days ago to someone's post after maamijitelling vicky to show elena her aukaad, during the ceremony. That post was about the parents not teaching their sons to respect women.
That's my own real life incident that I shared:

I live in a kind of joint family, and I, my elder sister and my cousin brother grew up together like siblings.
SinceI and my cousin brother have an age gap of a few months, we were hard to handle together. Fighting was a primary thing, he being the boy was more aggressive, I being a girl was a LITTLE subdued, not like I would take it like a door mat, but more becausehe was out of my league swift in saving himself from me giving it back to him.

As we grow into adolescence, we grow a little conscious of ourselves and even with brother and sisters we try not to misbehave in any inappropriate manner. I understood this, but not my brother, he would continue with all his childish things that would go to hitting once in a while(just like siblings do).

We would fight so often that both our mothers were fed up of us being together. And I eventually had learned to deal with it instead of complaining to our mothers. (His mother used to take my side and my mother his, so that the thought of siding with one's own children doesn't pop up)

I was somewhere in my mid teens, (he too was) when one day my mother found me sitting in one corner of the house, and I was kind of hiding my tears from my mother. But moms are moms, you cannot hide anything from them. And she caught me and literally cajoled me to tell what was wrong.

I had to eventually tell her that my brother had hit me, and I was hurt (both physically as well emotionally since it was my teenage and I used to get very emotional).

That was the only time when my mother went to my brother and literally lovingly explained him that you brother and sisters love each other so much that you guys spend the entire day with each other, teasing, manaaoing and what not... All is fine until it is verbal, don't get to hitting her beta, she is your younger sister...

This was until it was my mother's turn to explain. But when his mother came to know that he has been hitting me, she literally took her slipper in her hand and gave him good ones, saying how dare you hit her daughter (my aunt called me her daughter). She literally made it clear once and for all that if you can't respect your sisters, better stay away from females, but dare you do stuffs like this ever again...

That was the day, today is another day a decade after this incident. That guy, my brother, is a through and through gentleman at this point. We have seen him transform. Only because HIS mother didn't take the shit he was doing... She brought him on the right track...

I and my brother still fight, like maniacs, coz we just can't digest our food until we fight😆, but it remains to nok jhok, and all stupid stuffs.

It is not just the duty of a girl's parents to keep protecting their daughter. It is the duty of the boy's family too, to make their sons learn to keep their excess sight away from making the girls insecure. Once they are not insecure, they will themselves look protected..

Aur rahi baat Vicky ki, toh beta, give it a try and cross the LOC of your decency, your own dear bade Bhaiyya is going to throw you and your useless mother out of this house, to a facility free home called prison, and you will know what exactly it is to show a girl their aukaad, when you yourself are no better than a gutter infested insect...


Those were my thoughts on how my brother was grown. And I think, they will show the contrast of not just Dev and Vicky's values, but also the massive difference in the upbringing that Ishwari and Radha Rani did.
They are not just two women one of whom is a homely dedicated woman and the other is not. It also tells the mentality of difference about two women who are very proud of having sons (Since sons are supreme... Sorry... I am sounding a chauvinist. But I am talking from their pov). Giving birth to a boy is not as much a big deal than making them a gentleman.

Gandhari gave birth to a hundred sons... I will take Duryodhan into account.
Kunti gave birth to six sons (Karn included) but I will take Arjun into account [NOTHING TO DO WITH SHAHEER...😉😆]
both of them belonged to the same clan, but the upbringing? Boost to the egos? The teaching and preachings they both got?
It made both of them totally different personalities.

And I am expecting the similar contrast to be shown... Did I indicate a Mahabharat happening?😉😆

Please I don't want any kind of physical abuse by Vicky towards elena 😕 .It will be too much to watch 🥱 I want Dev to know about this before and beat black and blue out of that Vicky.I have no hopes from Vicky such guys can never change

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Aditi

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Posted: 8 years ago

#34

exactly how i feel...even i feel there is more to dev and ishwari's past than the makers hv revealed so far...there has been indications like u hv mentioned...if so then dev's OTT bond toward his mom is explicable...

however sona needs her feeling of importance in his life too...as for trust if sona can still trust him enuf to marry him after he threw her away like a toy wen ma was hospitalized then sona expects this much trust from dev that he will share his life's every secret with her however murkier that past is...

and i also agree dev is equally protective toward sona which is obvious by the way he got hyper ystrdy wen sona almost got hold of her medical reports...he is absolutely not bothered about the fact that he cant be a father too but he is only worried about sona...i dont doubt his love toward sona at all...

but just like he understands his mom's emotional needs and for that he cant deny her the small things like today he is full and cant eat wat she made then he needs to understand sona's bigger needs too...by always indulging ishwari's unreasonable demands like gving vicky high position in office he is only making sona feel like an outsider...

dev needs to balance between ma and wife...but as long as ishwari treats him like my raja beta and never allows him to grow up then he will soon end up losing his wife...

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Sam1970

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Posted: 8 years ago

#35

one of the reason to haunt the forum is to read your posts.
I completely agree with you. I have mentioned the same in one of my previous posts that the past is very dark...the answers will start to reveal themselves as to why they are living in this house-remmeber saurab da while finalising the deal in episode 1 said " dev babu you could buy a better house in a better locality". Dev replies " one cant move away from its roots".
when Ishwari comes-Dev says " we are back home ma"

I think the crux of the past will be revealed when these questions are answered. till then we will have to wait and enjoy Ish.

do keep analysing the episodes- you have a lovely take on all
Thanks for writting

Laters
Sam

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WeRockTheWorld

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Posted: 8 years ago

#36

Yes , I thought so too. There is something abt their past that keeps them bonded. To some extent Neha also knows...if you remember the holi scene , its Neha who comes and rescues her mom. And I feel the reason behind Ishu to leave Neha to take care of her younger sisters might also have something to do with her past...only Khatri's track can help us understand this..

I feel sad for Sona. As I mentioned in an earlier comment Ishu and Dev are one unit here...Sona is trying to be a part of it but they both wont allow her in so soon. Dev doesnt trust her so much to tell the deepest and darkest stories of his family 😭

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Zeddriz7

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Posted: 8 years ago

#37

I have always said that CVs will need to give a strong and valid explanation/revelation to justify Ishwari's insecurities and Dev's obsessive closeness towards her. Especially during the recent episodes, they have shown Dev mentioning Sona how difficult his past has been.. So the CVs definitely can't give any simple reason for all this and leave it. It would defy all logic. The truth should be very big and perhaps the most important part of the show.

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Push-pull

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Posted: 8 years ago

#38

Originally posted by: Aazeen02
Di, I will come directly to this dark past part.
Well, to be honest, I was expecting this right from the time Khatri case came into account.
And what you are saying is also valid, that both Ishwari and Dev know about that past, but both aren't verbal about it.
I don't think Khatri's comeback, though, I am expecting the same turn of events repeating.

Well since yesterday I have been thinking about Vicky and Elena's case. Was having this discussion with a friend that I am dreading a physical and emotional abuse by Vicky to Elena. In clear words, a rape. He will do this either before or after marriage, and then dump her, or blackmail her, or whatever. I am not having comfortable thoughts there.

And what ehsaan ehsaan ishwari is yelling at the top of her lungs will be rudely shaken if this happens. Because she will exactly be knowing what it is to stand in Elena's place.
As to Dev, I will wait for his reaction actually, because he is a witness to his past that is dancing before his eyes again.
GKB is going to get a get out there, but what will Dev and Ishwari do to Vicky is worth a watch.

Towards the closure of this track, one thing I am telling for sure, we are going to lose the innocence out of our hearts towards the story, just like dev lost his childhood.
I don't mean it in a negative sense, that's how life is. There are some earth-shattering moments in our lives when we are forced to walk out of the innocence to see the harsh realities. That's life.

And if handled nicely, this is going to be a super awesome track. WE need to stop preaching just the daughters, we need to even shake our sons out of their delusion of the superiority they may feel on females. A lesson to learn.

And I think, they will show the contrast of not just Dev and Vicky's values, but also the massive difference in the upbringing that Ishwari and Radha Rani did.
They are not just two women one of whom is a homely dedicated woman and the other is not. It also tells the mentality of difference about two women who are very proud of having sons (Since sons are supreme... Sorry... I am sounding a chauvinist. But I am talking from their pov). Giving birth to a boy is not as much a big deal than making them a gentleman.

Very well written thoughts... 👏

@bold: Agree to the core... The parents of the sons need to instill this sense.. Daughters are taught to be wary of the incidents that could spoil their life... Sons need to be taught on this discipline as well...

There were days where in cinema it was a trend where a debate or argument between a girl and boy arise on equality, the boys remove their shirt to show what they can do which the girls' can't do... Such a mean and cheap thing to show on a media spreading the superiority complex of the gender 🥱... Later women revolutionist took this to another level to show off their skin as well, that's a different story anyway... 😆 So the thing is, in revenge of their humiliation some men behave this way to display their superiority... They are the men who are insecure in their own gender and need to feed their male ego in cheap ways... Male ego in a real man - Sure he has one, but keeps it wonderfully under control. He is the one who is secure enough not to throw his masculinity around... Even when he takes up the household chores, he is too secure being a man in his own skin, without a need to prove it in other ways! 👍🏼

Now with Vicky and Dev, not sure what's the message the CVs are intended to convey... Hope with Ishwari and Radharani, they try to convey a message for the parents of the sons...

If a girl is prepared to leave her own family to make a new one, then their boy has to be prepared for the same as well... If the parents of the girls are prepared to let her share her love with her new relationships, then the parents of the boys need to be prepared for the same as well...

The kids can support their parents as their family along with their own, be it boy or girl - gender unbiased... It's individual's way of living... No norms there for gender based...

Joint family's essence cannot be retained anymore without being gender biased... So, with the generation change where the women has learnt to play newer roles in the society, this trend has to change as well...

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Push-pull

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Posted: 8 years ago

#39

Originally posted by: WeRockTheWorld
Yes , I thought so too. There is something abt their past that keeps them bonded. To some extent Neha also knows...if you remember the holi scene , its Neha who comes and rescues her mom. And I feel the reason behind Ishu to leave Neha to take care of her younger sisters might also have something to do with her past...only Khatri's track can help us understand this..
I feel sad for Sona. As I mentioned in an earlier comment Ishu and Dev are one unit here...Sona is trying to be a part of it but they both wont allow her in so soon. Dev doesnt trust her so much to tell the deepest and darkest stories of his family 😭

Whatever the back story is, it would only be to garner the sympathy of the audience for Dev-Ish and in an attempt to save their rarest of the rare bond that they flaunt to everyone... Would that justify whatever the mom-son duo are doing to Sona in their process to safeguard that bond?! Is my expectation for them to hit the reality a big crime?! If they have every right to secure their past, then what right do they have to kill Sona's past where she has been dreaming a fairy tale life for herself... Agree there is no fairytale love story in reality but why would I need to expect Sona to hit the reality? what's the harm in her attempt to safeguard her dream love story forever when the other two are trying to secure their dream bond to be kept intact forever?!

Are the fights that these two having anything related to their personality clashes or their lifestyle changes?! It's all about Dev's past... which he is not even willing to share...

It's only a hyped story to keep the audience hooked for no reason... But I am sure the CVs will make many buy their story thus justifying the mom-son bond to be the special that they have always maintained... So what next?! Sona should devote her life to secure that bond as well?! That's the moral of the story?!

All I can think about this hyped hidden past is a series of flashbacks with 8 year old Dev and Ishu... With knife, bad men, poor girls, torn clothes, fear filled eyes... A cinema trail from the 70s...

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Busymommy

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Posted: 8 years ago

#40

Are the fights that these two having anything related to their personality clashes or their lifestyle changes?! It's all about Dev's past... which he is not even willing to share...

I really hope @bold is not the case, the message that should come out at the end is despite the trauma and horrible past this kind of Mother-Son relationship is plain unhealthy for the individuals and the society.

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