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Tia.0 thumbnail
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Gemini, you have hit the nail on the head.

I am answering your question to the best of my knowledge in the same order.

Would Dev's kids have more value than Neha's ?

YES. Knowing her, I believe they will. Ishwari was shocked by Neha's decision but wasn't overly heartbroken over her not having kids. I was surprised that she has been making jewellery for Dev's non-existent children while until recently, she could not even tolerate any other woman around Dev.

Then without Sona or any other woman, Dev would have only one way to obtain kids - Surrogates. Then why not go that route with Sona? At least then the child would be Sona's as well (using Sona's eggs off course)

Arent children ( grand too) children whether they are from your son or daughter?

They should be. Every grandkids should be equally precious. But belief it or not, the gender bias comes even there.

For example: Say the daughter had son and the son had daughter. For people who are biased with gender would value the grandson from daughter more than the granddaughter from son all the while cursing the daughter-in-law for not producing sons. And I am not making this up. I have seen it happening.

Will the CV's close the loop by showing Neha the surrogate to Dev and Sona's child so the grandchild though Dev was borne by Neha?

Oh please no. Neha never wanted kids. Why would she be the surrogate? They can easily hire someone to carry their baby. There are organisations who arranges for surrogates. The doctor will do IVF with Dev's sperm and Sona's egg and then place the baby in the surrogate. The parents of the baby is responsible to pay for the surrogate's cost of living, medicines plus fee for surrogacy and at the time of birth, the baby is handed to the actual parents.

It's better to keep this outside family. Because unlike paid surrogates who gives birth to many babies, sometimes first time surrogates get attached to the baby in their womb even if the baby is not theirs and then that creates complications. Surrogacy within the family is not a good idea because that is not a business transaction.

If I have to go by Ishwari's nature, yes, she will apply her gender bias to the kids as well. More importantly on Dev's kids.


Originally posted by: gemini54



My question is we know Easwari always was partial towards Dev
  • Does it extend to Grandkids too.. Would Dev's kids have more value than Neha's ?
  • Arent children ( grand too) children whether they are from your son or daughter?
  • Will the CV's close the loop by showing Neha the surrogate to Dev and Sona's child so the grandchild though Dev was borne by Neha?

I know too much imagination but I was curious as to does the gender bias apply also to grandchildren?. I think I know the answer to this one but just wanted to know thoughts?


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Posted: 8 years ago
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I personally think that the way CVs have handled a sensitive issue like infertility was not appropriate.

I can understand why Dev is hiding the truth even though I know how lies can get twisted specially with the pre-nup Ishwari has obtained (this is going to blow up together, mark my words).

Like I mentioned in another post, if Sona had this issue since childhood, then why is she only getting stomach pain now? She should have been in pain growing up and thus should have been to the doctor already. That way she should have known the complication.

And if this stomach pain didn't continue since childhood, there has to be some complication, otherwise why would she have stomach pain now. It's not as if they were trying for baby and that's why she is having pain. If this is a new condition, that means she needs treatment. So by hiding this truth from her, Dev could make a situation potentially dangerous or life-threatening.

One of the people in forum mentioned that she has gone through this and as a person who went through this kind of complication, she feels Dev should tell at least Sona about her condition.

You see a wedding can be postponed and can happen after everyone comes to term with it. They don't need to separate for it. But the worse thing would be if this wedding happens and then they separate because they let the lie fester.

P.S. Which doctor checks an unmarried girl's overy when she comes with stomach pain? CVs are making mockery of the medical profession and hippocratic oath...

Originally posted by: desigirl987


Thanks dear ... I was also hoping for a peaceful happy wedding after the emotionally draining break-up track .. Who knows whats running in the complex mind of Dev Dixit (alias Durjoy and Rakhuvir) .Now that Ishwari had accepted Sona (God knows?) for Dev , they may need a strong reason in the future ( just like Ish being hospitalised , causing Dev to take the decision of leaving Sona in the fear of losing his mother) to change the equation between Ish-Sona as just her insecurities wont be enough for it , may be thats the reason they introduced this track but I dont have any idea why they introduced it so early , it may be for redemption of Dev , this may change baba's outlook towards him , this is the only thing that make sense .

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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Tiao
Thanks for patiently answering my gibberish thought and questions. We seem to think alike

RE: your answer on surrogacy and not using a relative I am afraid that knowing the love for drama that cv's have now especially for the OTT kind they will just do that..maybe then extend to 200 more episodes..
Neha refuses to give the baby up
Dev and Sona crying again..
Cycle starts again

Just want them to laugh atleast for 5 episodes is that too much to ask?
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Posted: 8 years ago
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@Tiao my girl what can i say about this post of yours! you absolutely stun me and left me speechless

Originally posted by: tia.o

I personally think that the way CVs have handled a sensitive issue like infertility was not appropriate.

I can understand why Dev is hiding the truth even though I know how lies can get twisted specially with the pre-nup Ishwari has obtained (this is going to blow up together, mark my words).

Like I mentioned in another post, if Sona had this issue since childhood, then why is she only getting stomach pain now? She should have been in pain growing up and thus should have been to the doctor already. That way she should have known the complication.

And if this stomach pain didn't continue since childhood, there has to be some complication, otherwise why would she have stomach pain now. It's not as if they were trying for baby and that's why she is having pain. If this is a new condition, that means she needs treatment. So by hiding this truth from her, Dev could make a situation potentially dangerous or life-threatening.

One of the people in forum mentioned that she has gone through this and as a person who went through this kind of complication, she feels Dev should tell at least Sona about her condition.

You see a wedding can be postponed and can happen after everyone comes to term with it. They don't need to separate for it. But the worse thing would be if this wedding happens and then they separate because they let the lie fester.

P.S. Which doctor checks an unmarried girl's overy when she comes with stomach pain? CVs are making mockery of the medical profession and hippocratic oath...

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: tia.o

No don't bother. White Knight Complex is not in dictionary. This is a term I had invented for my husband back when we started dating which I still use to describe him.

Can't believe I am using the same term to describe a fictional character today.

Anyhoo... For the people who are confused what White Knight Complex means, well, I use the term for the men in my life (That would be pretty much every man in my husband's family) who believes it is their life's purpose to rescue damsels in distress (that would be the women they have in their life), regardless whether they really want to be rescued or not.

For example: Someone hurts my feelings and I am upset. My husband comes home and sees me eating ice cream out of the carton. He asks me what happened. I tell him what happened expecting a hug or at the very least telling me I am right and they are wrong.

His response? First he'd play devil's advocate where he will point out all scenario where I might have misjudged or misunderstood the situation. When he sees that I am getting mad, he will change his strategy and a step by step strategy worthy of winning World War III will be presented to me so that I can crush that person who hurt me followed by offer of him to "fix" the problem himself.

My frustrated response as usual, "No no. I don't want your help to fight my battles. I can take care of my own problems on my own. Thank you very much. I just need you to support me and hug me. (Finally giving all the hints what he is supposed to do)

My husband's response (awkward hug and totally disinterested now that he no longer gets to rescue me and be my brave Knight): Why don't you call your girlfriends, honey. That's why they are there for.

Aaarrrggghhh... If he doesn't get to fight my battles, he doesn't know what to do. And believe it or not, most men don't know what to do if you don't let them "fix" your problems.

See Dev also has this complex. I don't blame him. He grew up around women who always needed him to solve their problems. So he does not know how to deal with a strong woman.

Today, very sweetly, he tried to protect Sonakshi and in the meanwhile inflicted so much pain and guilt on himself that he is not being able to be happy with that burden and as a result he is in a situation where he can't show his pain and swallow his guilt white it's stuck in his throat crushing his windpipe.

Dev, honey, your heart is in the right place. But regardless of your name, you are human too. So allow yourself human level of tolerance.

You see Truth and Lie have a very strange characteristic.

Even the most innocent lie gets harder to confess and forgive with time but even the harshest truth gets smaller and insignificant with time.

So if you had chosen truth, initially your road would have been complicated. But you could make both Sonakshi and your mom understand that if you don't marry her, there's zero percent chance of a baby because whether she is with you or not, you will never marry anyone else. But with Sonakshi, at least there's 7% chance, not to mention there's option for surrogacy. (Trust me, even the dumbest person knows 7% is better than 0%).

Eventually with time, no one would remember whether you had a baby through voodoo rituals, through surrogates or through natural process. (Also you should have insisted on second opinion. Aisa na ho ki itna self-inflicted pain sab bekar jaye).

But you chose lie thinking either Sona or your mom will block your marriage. But darling, the marriage that started with such a big lie, what foundation it will stand on when this lie is revealed? Lie by omissions are still lies. What will stop your mother or Sonakshi to insist on divorce then and how would you heal the broken trust which she has again placed on you?

Remember I once wrote a post, Honesty is the only policy? Yeah, that was not a joke.

Ishwari, I have no anger on you today. We are all product of our upbringing and you were brought up by female Hitler.

Yesterday you said that you learned more things from your aunt than your mother? I pity you, big time. Your childhood must have been a nightmare which you are now inflicting on your children.

By the way, aunty ji. Where were you when Ishwari was struggling with her children?

Even better, where were you at Neha's wedding?

Aapko aane ke liye yehi time mila tha? Why don't you take a quick trip back to whatever century you time travelled from?

Mamaji, you are such a level headed person. Sometimes I wonder if you were adopted. Then I see Dev's potential and think may be not. The gene might have skipped a few people.

Elena and Dada, you guys are amazing. The bond you have with Sona would be needed when she gets the double shock of her life - 1. She can't carry a baby and 2. Her husband knew and hid this from her.

I hope Ishwari does not think Sona also knew and hid it from her. Dev, if that happens, please speak the truth about whose decision it was to lie. No more vague terms then.

And lastly CVs, please keep showing Sona's family even after marriage. I honestly need breath of fresh happy family air after long exposure of crazy family stink...




👏👏 I stopped watching the show. It doesn't suit my taste now at all. But I come here to read your posts and posts from few others! I love your analysis of the characters. I don't know if it actually happens in real life but the dev I saw during that ritik Sona engagement period and the Dev we've seen over the past one week or so are two completely different individuals. Where is the love, the passion that we saw few weeks before! It evaporated the moment ritik was out of the picture! It's so disappointing to see one of your favourite actors portraying a character so messed up and weak.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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With reference to the 0%! Game!!
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: tia.o

I personally think that the way CVs have handled a sensitive issue like infertility was not appropriate.

Totally agree with you I was hoping when the rumors of infertility track started , it may not be true , but then I thought as its a real issue which is relevant they may handle it realistically. But there goes my hopes in drain . I dont even know if he is a real doctor or fake doctor !!!

I can understand why Dev is hiding the truth even though I know how lies can get twisted specially with the pre-nup Ishwari has obtained (this is going to blow up together, mark my words).

They are paving all the stones for the future track , we all know its not going to be a cake walk for them , but after all this is a drama and its their story to tell , we can only keep some faith based on the good quality content we got earlier .

Like I mentioned in another post, if Sona had this issue since childhood, then why is she only getting stomach pain now? She should have been in pain growing up and thus should have been to the doctor already. That way she should have known the complication.

And if this stomach pain didn't continue since childhood, there has to be some complication, otherwise why would she have stomach pain now. It's not as if they were trying for baby and that's why she is having pain. If this is a new condition, that means she needs treatment. So by hiding this truth from her, Dev could make a situation potentially dangerous or life-threatening.

The only medical condition I am aware of which may cause severe stomach pain and root cause leading to infertility is endometriosis . Its not a very serious condition and treatable ... But the symptoms of that will be seen early , such as acute pain during menstruation period than normal . Its sure they didnt do any research on the topic ... So there is no use in discussing what they have done with it ...

One of the people in forum mentioned that she has gone through this and as a person who went through this kind of complication, she feels Dev should tell at least Sona about her condition.

You see a wedding can be postponed and can happen after everyone comes to term with it. They don't need to separate for it. But the worse thing would be if this wedding happens and then they separate because they let the lie fester.

The decision of keeping this to himself is gonna blow up on his face for sure ... I believe this is a problem which needs to be discussed between both partners and they should support each other and discuss about an action-plan . But the news hasnt even sunk in yet , and he just went through hell after the break-up , and finally got her back ... He is not in a mental state currently to think logically ... I am not saying what he is doing is the right thing to do , but I can understand his dilemma ... Being the "Dev Dixit" who had ur "white knight complex" like forever , he would rather go through the mental torture himself to give all of them happy memorable moments during this wedding ... ( I dont think even the postponed wedding would bring the same happiness,hopes,and excitement everyone, especially Sona is going through right now . )

P.S. Which doctor checks an unmarried girl's overy when she comes with stomach pain? CVs are making mockery of the medical profession and hippocratic oath...

Well the fake TV soap doctors do , it doesnt matter if she is married or not 😉



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Posted: 8 years ago
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Oh noo ^ the medical issues... I dont think i am going to see a well presented medical case on an indian tv drama... Not in my lifetime...

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