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Posted: 8 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: Pehchaan.Kaun

Well now that I had a second thought of the perspective, I think CV is going to have an hourglass track of Dev's redemption - the more is the realization of Ishwari's wrong-doings and his blind love towards her, the more he is going to regret the pain he caused Sona.

But we must understand that both of them are standalone incidents. Dev's realization of the selfishness of Ishwari has nothing to do with his insensitivity towards Sona and her family. I'm sure Ishwari, not even in her dream world would have imagined her son to be stalking, interfering in someone's life like Dev was doing. So the deeds of last few days can't be overridden with any track of Ishwari. It would make Dev look so innocent and would put all the burdens on Ishwari when it is clearly not. 🤔

I wish CV properly differentiate between the flaws of Ishwari and the flaws of Dev.

Ishwari - Over-possessiveness, emotional blackmailing, manipulative, liar and real-intention of never having Dev married, insulting Sona time and again. selfishness.

Dev - Stalking, hurting Sona for no reason, being a coward and choosing an easy way out out of weak characteristics, insulting Rithwik and interfering in his business.

Mixing things would be SO disappointing


@ BOLD - WORD

By painting Ish grey and now surely almost black, they cannot whitewash Dev and ignore the actions he should have taken. Like ARCH said they cannot employ the Shravan Kumar plot point but it looks like they have done so.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnnaPaquinFan

And there goes redemption out of the window.

Wait a minute , why'd Dev need any redemption ?? He didn't do any thing wrong in the first place, right ?? He just threw her out of his life like a used piece of scrap paper , brutally n never looked back or tried to give her any hope even a ray of it for months , trampled over her job self respect , didn't give any thought whatsoever what her family her parents will go through and never , let alone try to fix the whole Ishwari issue , even consider the option unpalatable n unthinkable because his mother is his every thing.
He never fought for her, n looking by how things are shaping up he won't do it in the future as well.
But then none of this is wrong because he did it for his mom ?? So that's enough to forgive seven murders. 😲 😕 👏


What do the CVs want to convey? That the way to win over a parent who emotionally blackmails you (does not need to be deliberate) is through your devotion and not by behaving like an adult and making the effort (however painstaking) to get your parents to understand what is fair for all. Not to mention honouring all the commitments made.

So any action you take in the name of being a dutiful son can be excused under the overarching theme of "devotion towards parents"???

All along we were angry with Dev's character for thinking this way and felt he needed a redemption. Now it looks like Sona too thinks this way with 0 effort from his end to convince her, explain his pov, apologize to her !!


And probably , going by how Sona cares a dang about her own self respect , we shouldn't bother about hers any more . She doesn't think any thing wrong was done to her , so why should we care ?? Like Ishwari , I'd also say , " To hell with her ! "

In parineeta there was a very poignant line , " A woman should give her every thing away for love . Except her self respect. " That was the entire theme of the story . But then Sona is no Lalita and this show can not be compared with a classic like Parinneta.

What a wonderful point you remind us of. You are so right, this show is no Parineeta. It is recent wine in a regular bottle. Old wine (DD's shows) were truly great and knew how to portray women right.

Not every thing is done in the name of love. Simply because life is so so much bigger n so much more than love.
This show is sending so many effed up wrong messages in the name of love stories .
In their attempt to show Devakshi as star crossed eternal lovers or whatever... they're destroying the premise of it.
Dev never reflected on his own mistakes or how he should have behaved during break up, or why he shouldn't have broken up in the first place , how he should treat Sona as important as Ishwari and if he does so , there's nothing wrong with it.

Right you are. It is all very well to want to show them as star crossed lovers but if they is what they wanted to do, why the gratuitous humiliation for Sona?

If his BIL Ranveer treats his ladli sister Neha as lesser priority than his mother , how'd he feel ??
Yet he finds nothing wrong in it, because after all he sacrificed na ! 🤪
What are these makers trying to say ?? What;s the point ??
Today's episode left me so so much disappointed . It's evident they're not all gonna bother about giving Dev a redemption arc , they're just going to shove it all under the carpet and sane viewers will be left with W*F expressions on their faces.
I think it's time to take a big long much needed break from this show . Can't take the shit any more.

Edited by bookworm123 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
#33
disappointing.. I wanted him to think about and ask for redemption and know what it feels like to be discarded... but hopefully... story hasn't unfolded yet. no matter what promises he made today.. we know, he'll show up in full psycho avtaar at the engagement😡 but more he learns about all what Ishwari did to destroy his love, his happiness... more he'll be broken up and realize that it was a mistake to breakoff his love for a mother... who might not love him after all.. it was about Ishwari and her needs and selfishness.. and a mother's love is never selfish
Edited by vibg - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: bookworm123

Dev has already got Sona understanding him and forgiving him for the break up without him even asking her to forgive him! After the way she acted so understanding today how can she display anger at a future date for the manner of break up?

He does not even have to work to win her over in the future. She is herself telling him that she would marry him in an instant!! She is herself telling him - if you try to bring me into your life, your mom will be unhappy. She is not even saying you did not try!!

Furthermore, she told him - I will even manage my parents which means he does not need to work for that as well!!

I feel cheated. I really really wanted him to work towards winning her and her family over like a gentleman. It's like she got all the bitterness out of her system in the restaurant and became zen like in the office conversation.

As a standalone conversation it was very heart touching but it would have been more appropriate if the break up was amicable and mutual not thrust upon her by him in such a callous fashion!

Should I be reading the subtext (i.e what the CVS are thinking) that they too did not think he had a responsibility to try and find a middle ground before taking an impulsive decision? Is that how they see relationships? So all the pages and pages of analysis on the forum have no meaning if this is what the CVs think. Then it becomes all about "exposing Ishwari" and fixing/healing/redeeming her and completely disregarding the fixing that Dev himself needs!




A very well written post with apt questions. I very much agree with you over the necessity of a redemption track for Dev and the need for him to realise the pain that he has been in Sonakshi' life. But I slightly differ from you over the timing of this redemption track. Dev so far has hardly had any time time to reflect upon his actions. As told by himself today, all of his time is spent on Sonakshi, either thinking of her, analysing all her recent actions or just chasing her everywhere. He has had no time to sit for a moment with his sadness, freeing himself off envy, jealousy and angst that have clouded all of his actions in the recent past. Today we got to see both Dev and Sonakshi speaking their hearts out, without letting each of their ego getting in the way. This closure based on the acceptance of facts as it is, is what was needed from and by both of them.The scene was all emotional, but it was the necessary calm after all the storm. And after having got such a scene, where Dev has realised that Sona has been hurting as much as him behind the facade of moving on and that they have no choice but to move on for their parents (unless Dev takes a stand for himself and his life), I now expect Dev' redemption track. I wish to see him sitting down with his thoughts and reflect on his actions. The way Sonakshi was thrown out of his life was heart wrenching for all of us as viewers. And expecting a redemption track for the same is something that's very natural if the CVs are sticking on to their promise of a real and matured love story. Let's see what they're up to.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Completely agree. The scene wud have been perfect if Dev apologised for hurting Sona n her family, for insulting Ritik n hampering his clinic plans.

Though I loved the scene, a very good episode indeed, but still felt it was incomplete...how difficult it is to put 2-3 lines from Dev to say sorry...he kept on saying 'tum mujhse bahut pyar karti ho', 'ab kabhi dur mat jaana', 'aisa firse mat karna', 'main tumhe apni zindagi se nikaal sakta hun?' - as if breakup was Sona's idea. As if only he is hurting. If Sona can understand that Dev is in bad state, lonely, why Dev nvr even thought abt the pain he has inflicted to her. What Dev said to Mamaji abt Sona's lost trust in love bcoz of him. Why didnt he said smthing similar to her.

But I liked it when Sona talked abt marriage. It needs lot of strength to fight for one's own happiness. Like Hrithik, even she wanted to give Dev one more chance before the final goodbyes. She wanted to give one more chance to their relationship coz she knows she hasnt moved on yet n both of them are stuck in the past. She knows her parents well enuf that they will always trust her decision, they wud be sad for a while but ultimately if she is happy, her parents wud be happy too.
Edited by randommusings - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: vibg

disappointing.. I wanted him to think about and ask for redemption and know what it feels like to be discarded... but hopefully... story hasn't unfolded yet. no matter what promises he made today.. we know, he'll show up in full psycho avtaar at the engagement😡 but more he learns about all what Ishwari did to destroy his love, his happiness... more he'll be broken up and realize that it was a mistake to breakoff his love for a mother... who might not love him after all.. it was about Ishwari and her needs and selfishness.. and a mother's love is never selfish



Story is yet to unfold but the part that unfolded today with Sona understanding his dilemma (which even we do not frankly because he did not even try) without him even trying was disappointing for me as a woman, and as someone who expects her true partner to do everything possible and more before even contemplating giving up


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: aadk




A very well written post with apt questions.

Thank you.

I very much agree with you over the necessity of a redemption track for Dev and the need for him to realise the pain that he has been in Sonakshi' life. But I slightly differ from you over the timing of this redemption track.

Reading...

Dev so far has hardly had any time time to reflect upon his actions. As told by himself today, all of his time is spent on Sonakshi, either thinking of her, analysing all her recent actions or just chasing her everywhere. He has had no time to sit for a moment with his sadness, freeing himself off envy, jealousy and angst that have clouded all of his actions in the recent past. Today we got to see both Dev and Sonakshi speaking their hearts out, without letting each of their ego getting in the way. This closure based on the acceptance of facts as it is, is what was needed from and by both of them.The scene was all emotional, but it was the necessary calm after all the storm. And after having got such a scene, where Dev has realised that Sona has been hurting as much as him behind the facade of moving on and that they have no choice but to move on for their parents (unless Dev takes a stand for himself and his life), I now expect Dev' redemption track. I wish to see him sitting down with his thoughts and reflect on his actions. The way Sonakshi was thrown out of his life was heart wrenching for all of us as viewers. And expecting a redemption track for the same is something that's very natural if the CVs are sticking on to their promise of a real and matured love story. Let's see what they're up to.


I do not have an issue with this scene as a stand alone scene. Seeing him this way, this was the only way Sona as she has been scripted could react. I am questioning the makers for inserting this scene now simply to shift sympathy to Dev (Arch explained it very well in her post in this thread).

Why should Dev get the mental release of a closure so easily and why should Sonakshi give it to him without him even performing the actions necessary for closure when she was wronged by him?

I will be happy to see a redemption track but they already took most of the thunder out of it by having Sona herself acknowledge that he had no other option. A lot of people on this forum did not feel that he had no other option - he did not even try to explore any option.

She very easily dismissed her family once again. All of us were very pained with this aspect prior to break up and once again she is assuring him that she will manage her family with 0 expectation that he will even think about managing his family.
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Posted: 8 years ago
#38

Originally posted by: bookworm123

Dev has already got Sona understanding him and forgiving him for the break up without him even asking her to forgive him! After the way she acted so understanding today how can she display anger at a future date for the manner of break up?

He does not even have to work to win her over in the future. She is herself telling him that she would marry him in an instant!! She is herself telling him - if you try to bring me into your life, your mom will be unhappy. She is not even saying you did not try!!

Furthermore, she told him - I will even manage my parents which means he does not need to work for that as well!!

I feel cheated. I really really wanted him to work towards winning her and her family over like a gentleman. It's like she got all the bitterness out of her system in the restaurant and became zen like in the office conversation.

As a standalone conversation it was very heart touching but it would have been more appropriate if the break up was amicable and mutual not thrust upon her by him in such a callous fashion!

Should I be reading the subtext (i.e what the CVS are thinking) that they too did not think he had a responsibility to try and find a middle ground before taking an impulsive decision? Is that how they see relationships? So all the pages and pages of analysis on the forum have no meaning if this is what the CVs think. Then it becomes all about "exposing Ishwari" and fixing/healing/redeeming her and completely disregarding the fixing that Dev himself needs!


After reading your post , I went back and watched those 3 promos again...I dont see a changed Dev in any of those 3. Its understood that his mom's happiness is above every thing including his life which is his love for Sona...

So all our thoughts were in the wrong direction...redemption can happen only when Sona is back in his life...if he has to save himself and be a better person then her presence in his life is required. She is the one who brings sanity and meaning into his life...and he himself has said this during confession time " you make a better person "!! With out her he is more of a machine.

As I said in previous post todays episode was more a closure to the break up...a mutual one..that of respect and understanding...And I think they are nearing the first promo...today when Dev was telling her how imp she was to him...she responded saying what is the use of saying it when we both know that you can accept me ...if you do then you will loose ur mom!! And the first promo she says what is the use of talking now when its all over ..


Edited by WeRockTheWorld - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: aadk




A very well written post with apt questions. I very much agree with you over the necessity of a redemption track for Dev and the need for him to realise the pain that he has been in Sonakshi' life. But I slightly differ from you over the timing of this redemption track. Dev so far has hardly had any time time to reflect upon his actions. As told by himself today, all of his time is spent on Sonakshi, either thinking of her, analysing all her recent actions or just chasing her everywhere. He has had no time to sit for a moment with his sadness, freeing himself off envy, jealousy and angst that have clouded all of his actions in the recent past. Today we got to see both Dev and Sonakshi speaking their hearts out, without letting each of their ego getting in the way. This closure based on the acceptance of facts as it is, is what was needed from and by both of them.The scene was all emotional, but it was the necessary calm after all the storm. And after having got such a scene, where Dev has realised that Sona has been hurting as much as him behind the facade of moving on and that they have no choice but to move on for their parents (unless Dev takes a stand for himself and his life), I now expect Dev' redemption track. I wish to see him sitting down with his thoughts and reflect on his actions. The way Sonakshi was thrown out of his life was heart wrenching for all of us as viewers. And expecting a redemption track for the same is something that's very natural if the CVs are sticking on to their promise of a real and matured love story. Let's see what they're up to.

Don't agree with u completely and yes don't jump to any assumptions before seeing upcoming episode... Am sure something will happen which will make him to do like that on engagement day
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Posted: 8 years ago
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You are correct . I mean theoretically yes ..thats how something works - u do mistake , realiseit , work to rectify it and then things get back to normal ...

But relationships dont work that way ..atleast sometimes ...there re mistakes and those mistakes are forgiven attimes even w/o any explaination cos the other person understands u...Sona knows Dev in and out and she just understands him . Simple . So she can forgive him . Cos when u UNDERSTAND somebody u dont go out troubling them - that is real maturity :) Dev can still rectify his mistakes in future but I dont think Sona has been ruined or isnt justified in any way . Cos , really thats how relationships work . You dont go out and get tit-for-tat from ur loved ppl , u just forgive them - thats y they r ur ppl n that doesnt mean u r weak that only means u r strong enough to love them with their flaws and forgive them anyway n keep loving them . Thats life my friend :) sometimes u gotta do that sometimes the other person ..its as simple and as complicated as that :) :P

Yes Dev didnt stand up for the relationship n yes that is a mistake but lets give a chance , he will make things right but in that too he needs Sona as a support , as a guide ..Its always been like that - n right now she is his oxygen n he is strangling . Sona can see it - Thankfully!

So to me Sona understanding him is a very proud moment and m happy that they r going realistic in this way !

anyway its devakshi who r hurt so much in this mess and I want it to end soon ! lets see how the story shapes up ahead ! :)

PS- strictly my POV :)

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