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Posted: 9 years ago
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I have been traveling this week and just caught up on the week's episodes. I could only laugh all through but then wait, what just happened towards the end!!!

Mama has a heart-to-heart with Dev. Tells him he has a right to be happy, a right to love. Then proceeds to share about his own love story that was nipped in the bud by his family (and Ishwari's). He didn't have the courage to stand up for his love and history repeats.
This reminded me of a comment RR made sometime back about her Mother-in-law - about how tight fisted she was and how she couldn't do anything against her MIL's wishes. To which Ishwari's reaction was, 'aap meri ma ke bare mein baat kar rahein hai'...

So basically, the entire back story about Ishwari losing her husband and being left all alone to fend for 4 kids, the hard life, the struggle etc was just that - a back story. Even without this back story, Ishwari would have been a possessive mother taking decisions for her Son. And here I thought that the loss of her husband made her project her identity on to her Son because that's what women do - project their identities on to the roles they play - daughters, wives, mothers etc. and she is fighting to save her identity and the fight has gotten ugly.

Moving one step further. Bulls eye from Friday's episode.
Ishwari comes to Dev and in sugar coated words tells him 'she is disappointed in him'
'You always think about your family & I always think about you. In fact, you have always taken care of your family since you were 11years old (I thought since he was 8 years old but whatever). I have been so hard on you. Put the entire family's responsibility on your shoulders. But then I trusted that if anyone could take us out of our situation, it was only you. That's why I gave you the opportunities that my other kids deserved (unke hisse ke mauke). Its like you pour more oil in the diya that burns brightest. That's why even a tiny mistake feels big. Like a speck of dirt on a clean white sheet stands out.
I shouldn't have done this. I shouldn't have put so much responsibility on you." and walks off.

All this after telling Dev clearly that he should not call Sonakshi. Whatever happens, good or bad, her family will take care. You just stay away.

Masterstroke. So here's a mother telling her Son - I invested in you. I gave you all opportunities including those your siblings deserved. You made a mistake by falling in love & now by not being able to keep away. I trusted you but I shouldn't have!

Emotional manipulation at its best. Make your child feel how much you love him, how much you gave, how much you sacrificed and how he let you down.
After years of such sweet underhanded blackmail, all that came out of that backstory is an emotionally ruined Dev who is schizophrenic - carrying the heavy burden of Mother's love & expectations and unable to handle the first relationship he tried to form.
But even without the hard years, this mother would have been equally possessive of her Son - It's heredity!

This mother clearly knows her Son was the one to break off.
Ishwari to RR - 'Dev is just feeling guilty that because of him, someone is hurt'.
She is aware that her Son is hurting.
Ishwari to Baba - 'Dev is strong. He has handled much pain and come out of it. He will handle this too'.

She just cannot tolerate dirt splashed on herself. That's why all she stresses about is 'I didn't ask him to get in the relationship nor did I ask him to get out of it. No matter what anyone says, I didn't cause this break-up. It's not because of me'. Would she spare a thought to what exactly was the reason then - No need, as long as the result is in her favor.

Makers - What was the need for the backstory then? Probably to romanticize the Mother's sacrifice angle similar to all Amitabh Bachchan early movies - helpless widowed mother, sewing clothes, washing dishes and getting insulted. and lo & behold, rise of the angry young man!
But that's where the similarities end. This mother manipulated her way into her Son's adulthood and continues to softly pull the strings the moment he strays an inch.

All that mama needs to do is tell his sister, 'I told Dev that you don't approve of Sonakshi & so he broke up with her'. She will deftly turn that to her favor too but there's a need for some dirt to be splashed on her clean white cloth... from within the family.
Dev itna bechara nahi hai but he has learnt the art of being strong/manipulative in practical matters and playing 'bichara' in relationships and letting others take action from a pro - His Mother!... Heredity repeating itself!

This mother doesn't want her Son's focus to waver from her well-being.
Learnt by example, Dev feels an unwavering focus is how love is!

But my question is to the makers - Every other character in the show is expressing what these 2 characters (Dev & Ishwari) are doing wrong. Now Ritwick is expressing what Sona is doing wrong (running away from reality at full speed) so is this all leading somewhere or this is just like the back story - relevant in its part with no link to the whole? or like Sona's chosen bedsheet on Dev's bed these days - it's just there because it looks good but has no part in the story?
OR
is it a case of a storyline that started at one place but seems to be heading into a totally different direction than originally planned - similar to the case of the Coconut cookies (Sona's favorite as the restaurant waiter remembered) that turned to Choco-chip cookies in the very next episode (as screamed by Dev when he told Sonakshi that she ordered their favorite which means she still loves him?!?!?!) ... Confused much!





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Posted: 9 years ago
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Haila!
Dont mind but I got confused reading the post 😆
I seem to have lost my plot

Ishwari is a master manipulator, no doubt abt that
Mamaji isnt saying anything clearly to her coz I guess he fears her reaction esp after the whole pills drama and her dialogues in the hospital
He;s trying to say indirectly but ofcourse being thick skinned and in denial she wont understand

She didnt even accept the situation even after being given back in her face by Bijoy
I feel like strangling her at times
Dont know what will make her accept that
Maybe a direct statement from Dev?
Tho we know theres no chance of that and she knows it too and thats why shes on a free ride assuming what she's doing is right like all the decisions she's taken for her child

Well we dont really know whats planned so we can only wait and watch 😃
Edited by Sweet_Ashum - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Hi Arch, Happy to see you back.🤗

Arey yaar, They all are playing ringa ringa roses dear. I mean these 3 people are going in circles. After those powerful Ishwari - Sona & Bijoy - Ishwari scenes, I thought she will at least introspect her own actions but nothing as such happened & she is back to her as usual denial mode ignoring everything.

I felt like these scenes they gave to satisfy viewers appetite and reduce their rants. Thats it, after these scenes nothing got changed & they all are perfectly back to their idiotic mode. As we always say, Ishwari ji did her Phd in emotional blackmailing. No on can defeat her in this area. Maa jo tho doodh ka dula huwa hai.

I am not able to understand even after understanding Dev's pov and her feelings intensity towards dev, why sona is going ahead with this marriage thing.

I am sick and tired of seeing this crying & sulking Dev. I dont know why they are trying to portray him helpless & creepy. He is like a replica of his mother when it comes to selective hearing.

Why they are not addressing Ishwari's obsession(in their terms insecurities) which is the actual issue? Instead of concentrating on the actual plot they filled this show with OTT melodrama by making these 2 kids as crazy bulls.

Why are we even looking for logic & maturity dear. Lets enjoy their pagalpan with popcorn till we can bare😆😆


Edited by LiveLife321 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Sweet_Ashum

Haila!

Dont mind but I got confused reading the post😆
I seem to have lost my plot

Ishwari is a master manipulator, no doubt abt that
Mamaji isnt saying anything clearly to her coz I guess he fears her reaction esp after the whole pills drama and her dialogues in the hospital
He;s trying to say indirectly but ofcourse being thick skinned and in denial she wont understand

She didnt even accept the situation even after being given back in her face by Bijoy
I feel like strangling her at times
Dont know what will make her accept that
Maybe a direct statement from Dev?
Tho we know theres no chance of that and she knows it too and thats why shes on a free ride assuming what she's doing is right like all the decisions she's taken for her child

Well we dont really know whats planned so we can only wait and watch😃



😆 sorry to confuse. This happens when I watch 5 episodes of this show back-to-back these days...
Let me try again...

Ishwari is manipulative is a given. No doubts there but I am questioning the whole back story - somewhere we all tried to find reason for her insecurities in the hard life they had. The losing of Husband etc etc... But the fact that mama lost his love because his family (which is Ishwari's family too) didn't like his girl is too much coincidence. So Ishwari's Mother did exactly what Ishwari is doing!

So my question is to the makers - forget the need for what's happening now... What was the need for the elaborate bank story they gave the Dixits? Just to make the story with the sad background look good in the flashbacks?
This Mother would have been insecure & manipulative even without the hard life.

So again, my question to the makers is - is the back story in this script just to give some background to the Dixits or it actually has/had a purpose? Or they had a purpose but lost it somewhere...

Also, mama is being careful fearing the pills reaction but the show itself showed there has been a time lapse... After the break up some time has passed and things returned to normal ... Dev tried to be ok with his decision (finally after some time passed, he couldn't) and Sona just tried to cope. For Ishwari, things seemed to return to normal. Have the makers forgotten the beautiful time lapse they showed like they forgot that Sona's Favourite cookies are Coconut (as shown in 8/29 ep) and not Choco chip (as shown in 8/31 ep)... They seem to be forgetting the story they are writing/written...

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Seriously thinking the same... The main track of the show has been poorly handledd.. Veryyy poorly,disappointing.. Dev gate crashing the engagement like in any other serials..The show has lost its charm it promisd.. The Main promos of the show and the main plot of the show are totally contradicting..Everything has been ruined to extremes.. The charectrisation is accepted but the situations are not.. Neither Natasha nor Rithvik deserved this.. Off late i think the writers are themseles confuesd.. I think they are overwhelmed with the Response of fans so adding this drama to spice upp ..
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Okay so first of all, brilliant post. As far as analyses go, this is one of the best interpretations of the storyline and the characters that I have read in a very, very long time. And I can't argue with a lot of it, even though my point of view is a little different. You've made your points very well. 👏

As for what I think about the backstory...I don't think it is irrelevant to the present plotline. My assessment is what yours was earlier - that she is projecting her identity onto the role of a mother, and also that all the hardships have led her to cling to Dev as her sole support system in every way possible. She has become too dependent on him for her own emotional security and that is stifling him without either of them being conscious of what is really happening.

Also, for all the harping on how Godly she is, she is from the beginning a character with a fatal flaw. I remember how she used to react to the idea of any girl being considered for Dev, and how the only thing that seemed to keep her at peace with Natasha was the fact that Dev never had any actual feelings for her. Of course, there is nothing justifiable here. I personally find her obsession a bit unhealthy, and I saw the repeated emphasis on the backstory as the writers' way of explaining it. Which was fair enough.

The emotional manipulation that you've spoken about, however, is absolutely a part of her dark side. The scene where she comes to 'apologise' o Dev after telling him to stay away from Sonakshi was to me exactly what you say it was - a really well crafted case of emotional manipulation at it worst. It sickened me, to be honest, especially because of how guilty Dev looked, getting totally and completely sucked into it. It was her way of subliminally cementing his conviction that letting Sonakshi go was the ONLY choice he could have made. Which was, I suppose, the point of that scene being put in there at all.

I think what you said about the similarities with the 70s ablaa naari Ma ending where Ishwari's emotional manipulation begins is what the writers were going for. I never thought their intention was to make use of that trope, but to modify it to bring out that human nature is more complicated than a stereotype. Hence, Ishwari being a sacrificing mother who is not actually as Godly as Dev would have us believe but as inexorably human and flawed and selfish as he is. And Dev is selfish, undeniably. He wants to control circumstances and people as much as his mother wants to control him, so yes, there I certainly see heredity at play. And I see this manic desperation for control as a result of the circumstances their backstory has given me to understand - a backstory that is all about a total loss of control over circumstances and how they play out after Dev's father's death.

Also, with regard to the scene you mentioned in the beginning - I read Ishwari saying "Aap meri ma ke baare mein baat kar rahi hain" as another hint at her inherent contradictions and hypocrisy - the same thing I felt in the contrast between her treatment of Neha's love and Dev's. She knows as well as we do that RR has a great proclivity for exaggeration. Which is why she only ever pays heed to her when it is convenient. So, I saw that as RR's attempt to bitch about the mom-in-law, and Ishwari's curt response told me that the qualities RR was attributing to her were not good ones in her view. The irony being that the sense of absolute control RR described is exactly what Ishwari is clinging to with Dev.

I also think the story is developing as it was planned, and that we're somewhere between the first break-up promo and the other two promos that preceded the show's first episode. Conflict-love-break up-disorientation-desperation-to hopefully be followed by resignation and some semblance of stability before another conflict comes in and leads to a final decision being made. That's how I saw it at the beginning, and we're at the desperation stage now. I just didn't expect it to be this extreme in its dramatic narrative but oh well, there's Indian television for you. My question for the writers is how long they plan to stretch the desperation I can see in both Dev and Sonakshi right now. It's great to explore it, but the idea of dwelling on it so much that it begins to fester and stagnate is not one that appeals to me too much. Ritik is a good catalyst, but his role needs to play out in good time and lead to something concrete instead of the story going round in circles for another two months, the way it's been going for the last week.

This is what I feel.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: LiveLife321

Hi Arch, Happy to see you back.🤗


Arey yaar, They all are playing ringa ringa roses dear. I mean these 3 people are going in circles. After those powerful Ishwari - Sona & Bijoy - Ishwari scenes, I thought she will at least introspect her own actions but nothing as such happened & she is back to her as usual denial mode ignoring everything.

I felt like these scenes they gave to satisfy viewers appetite and reduce their rants. Thats it, after these scenes nothing got changed & they all are perfectly back to their idiotic mode. As we always say, Ishwari ji did her Phd in emotional blackmailing. No on can defeat her in this area. Maa jo tho doodh ka dula huwa hai.

I am not able to understand even after understanding Dev's pov and her feelings intensity towards dev, why sona is going ahead with this marriage thing.

I am sick and tired of seeing this crying & sulking Dev. I dont know why they are trying to portray him helpless & creepy. He is like a replica of his mother when it comes to selective hearing.

Why they are not addressing Ishwari's obsession(in their terms insecurities) which is the actual issue? Instead of concentrating on the actual plot they filled this show with OTT melodrama by making these 2 kids as crazy bulls.

Why are we even looking for logic & maturity dear. Lets enjoy their pagalpan with popcorn till we can bare😆😆





Hello 🤗 Howz life?

Oh! No, No... I am not trying to find logic - how can I when they have so brilliantly lost it??!!?? 😆

But I was impressed with the way Ishwari so wonderfully told Dev how she is disappointed in him on Friday. It reminded me of Dev saying 'Teri aankhon mein apne liye nirasha nahi dekh sakta'... Master stroke.
And mama tells Dev that he's had a similar experience...
And I spent long posts trying to analyse how the hard life has impacted Ishwari, her identity and why her reactions have turned so blind & ugly... 😆 ... Too funny.
Very simply, she would have been this way even if they hadn't had that glossy 70mm sad life...

Their hard hitting, strongly worded scenes don't have an impact these days... They are just there to please but seem to do nothing to the story.

As for what & why each character is doing these days is so creatively brilliant that it's beyond my understanding so I hv stopped trying ...
But like they are going back on everything they showed before..even forgetting what they showed 2 eps back... They made me go back and look at all the analysis I did and laugh!!

Lost plot!!!

Btw, Voot doesn't work outside India I guess... Am trying to see KY2 on YT...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: parul26gupta

Seriously thinking the same... The main track of the show has been poorly handledd.. Veryyy poorly,disappointing.. Dev gate crashing the engagement like in any other serials..The show has lost its charm it promisd.. The Main promos of the show and the main plot of the show are totally contradicting..Everything has been ruined to extremes.. The charectrisation is accepted but the situations are not.. Neither Natasha nor Rithvik deserved this.. Off late i think the writers are themseles confuesd.. I think they are overwhelmed with the Response of fans so adding this drama to spice upp ..



@Bold: This seems a logical reason... Am searching for a logical reason for the show to have gone this way so quickly... This must be it!
Huge response till episode 100. I remember Yash Patnaik's interview where he said the show has been receiving overwhelming response and they have just shown moments. There is so much still to come in the story...
While the story is still the same, the paths they are taking is way too dramatic but don't even tie up together...
During the Natasha track at least Dev was progressing without knowing his real feelings but with Ritwik, Sona is rushing ahead with full knowledge of her feelings and actions...

So Dev gate crashes the engagement? In his mind, he probably is saving Sona but in marriages, there are families involved. When he protects his family, why put hers in such an awkward position so publicly? Where are they headed?

Guess there is no point in searching for logic anymore... and best to watch one episode at a time (unlike me who watched 5 back-to-back 😊) because each loses its connect with the previous one...

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Posted: 9 years ago
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👏👏
Have been missing seeing you around.. welcome back..🤗

Enough backdrop can be given to Ishhuuu.. And are they still gonna justify her doing and will have her have a change of mind one fine day, just like that?!

Because so far whatever has happened there is no sign of change or even an ounce of acceptance that some things are not done right..

Drag, drag and drag as long as the drama works.. 😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Yayy you're back🤗
I've been waiting for your post!! And just like your line in the post - Its a MASTERSTROKE!
Brilliantly analysed, my friend.
I'm relieved to know you had a similar reaction to mine after watching the episodes - I was laughing through the entire last episode.
Sonakshi literally threatened Dev, like we do to 7 year olds, that she will complain to his mother if he doesn't stop troubling her. And what's worse, it worked!!
About Ishwari's manipulation - I wrote the exact same thing on Saumya's post the other day, Ishwari clearly manipulated him and slyly told him that I have invested in you by giving you more opportunities than the other kids, so you better shut up and sacrifice.
You're right, the entire back story seems so irrelevant now,the problem is clearly hereditary. I guess the makers wanted to romanticize her character by highlighting all the struggles she's faced and were setting up the stage to compensate for the nonsense she was about to unleash. Possessiveness also runs in the family. So does selective hearing. It has been passed on from Ishwari to Dev as well.
I don't really understand where the makers are going with this. Each new spoiler is more dramatic than the previous one. It's like the creative team changed.
Everyone keeps running in circles - Ishwari is in denial, Dev keeps running behind Sonakshi, Sonakshi keeps yelling at Dev to leave her alone, Dev keeps refusing to listen all the while forming stupid conclusions of his own, Everyone keeps worshiping Ishwari and treating her as if she is made of glass, Bijoy keeps yelling at Ishwari, Ritwik keeps telling Sonakshi to think, Sonakshi also keeps refusing to think. Phew! It's all getting a little too repetitive for my liking.
I hope this is just a phase and the makers pull up their socks real soon!
Meanwhile, waiting for more such brilliant posts from you😊
Edited by Malvika07 - 9 years ago

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