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Posted: 9 years ago
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hey i just made a post on this issue too and i can see u made too...i am pasting my post here too since we share the same topic...
"i wish ppl here learn not to hate ishwari...i for one do not think that the problem (mental or otherwise) lies only with ishwari...dev is equally to blame...yes parents are akin to god for us...but to literally put them on a pedestal and then consider godly understanding and flawless decisions from them is taking things a little overboard...
dev has always worshipped his mom to the extent that wen sona was once lecturing him about how today's kids prefer to keep their parents in oldage homes he lashed out that he doesnt love his mom but worships her...that day instant i felt if anyone is mental then it is dev...mothers need love and affection from their kids not a divine approach...ishwari is not god...she is human like anyone else...

as long as dev wont consider her as a human with her own sets of fears and insecurities he will never understand y she is behaving the way she is doing now...wen she will take the pills the first thing that dev will do is sever relation with sona which is a totally wrong approach...u cant end one relationship just like that...

and moreover i am not talking about that dev will be hurting sona but i am talking about leaving sona is not the solution to ishwari's problem...in this way he will only be indulging her wrong conception that her son has no other meaning and space in life other than ishwari...

the solution lies in proper communication...yes dev and ishwari has spent hundreds of hours together...but i wonder if dev has any day shared his own dreams...yes i agree all these years even he himself did not dig into his heart to see wat dreams lay hidden there till the day he realized that he is in love with sona...
from that day he has been lying to ishwari wenever he is late arriving home or talking to her over phn...isnt that violating his own belief that his mom is bhagwaan...one doesnt lie to god rite...

however wen expecting understanding and instant acceptance from ishwari regarding sona's case dev is again going that "my mom is god" way...

sona is right as she is always telling dev to go slow and gv her time...yes i agree even gving her time wont solve the matter since it is not sona that ishwari doesnt like but any girl in dev's life...that is y wat dev needs is to sit and talk with his mom...as a son it is his duty to convince her that she will not be losing a son even if sona comes into his life...his love and devotion toward her wont change by the fact that he is now in love with another girl...

moreover sona is not another girl by that i mean sona is not a second girl in his life...such statement makes it seem as if ishwari is the first woman and sona is the second...these two women hold different positions in his life...one is his mom and another is his love cum wud be wife...these two relations have their own separate space in a man's life...so first thing that dev needs to do is convince ishwari that she need not suffer from insecurity since noone is taking her place in his life...

the kind of suicidal tendency that will be seen in ishwari now is totally wrong and only proves the extent to which she needs psychological help...the thot of suicide is itself an extreme thing which is in no way a normal person's attitude...

ishwari is a character that exists in real life...and so her insecurities and fear r also real...i feel as viewers we shud connect more to the character and understand this...for years dev has been her world and the pillar of dixit family...and dev has always selflessly done his duty...so to see that today dev is also indulging his own dreams (which is actually a first time) it is natural that ishwari will feel neglected or may feel that dev will now sideline his mom and sisters...

it is up to dev to convince her that this will never happen..."
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Samanalyse

@ARCH21 and LiveLife321: The response to your amazing "hijacking" deserved a separate post on its own. Please don't disappear!!! I absolutely loved reading through your discussion and I have to confess, based on the trajectory of the show so far, have a fairly optimistic view of how the writers are going to deal with the upcoming track.


The very fact that they have put Ishwari's insecurities and the drastic step of a suicide attempt at the front-end of the main story gives me hope. This is clearly the lowest low of the story from where the characters all have to rise and learn. The reason I feel somewhat confident about this is because Dev and Ishwari's relationship, even when it has been at its best, has faced harsh criticism from within the universe of the show, thanks to Neha's presence. When Ishwari seemed most gentle, balanced, and wise and Dev most responsible and devoted to his family, Neha was still there to call out their hypocrisy. In that sense, this show has done an excellent job of not glorifying Dev and Ishwari's relationship, and stressing that its so-called perfection is merely superficial.


Now that Sona has entered the equation, the facade they work so hard to maintain is cracking and everything they suppressed to keep it alive is slowly coming to the fore. Ishwari's sense of this change is the root of her panic, but Dev is completely oblivious to it. On the one hand she is disappointed and annoyed that Dev doesn't sense the threat to their mutually constructed "ideal relationship", on the other, she doesn't want to betray the image Dev has of her, and indeed that she has of herself, as a perfectly selfless being. So she is doing everything in her power to look good in Dev's eyes, while taking her disappointment out on an unwitting Sona who has no way of knowing how deep these issues run.


And I actually appreciate the skepticism that has arisen for the Dev-Sona pairing at this point in the story. Dev is behaving like a right arse, and not at all like the sort of man who deserves a Dr. Sonakshi Bose! It's so beyond question to him that she should bend over backwards to please his mother that he doesn't even stop to think how much he is demanding. I love the balance they are bringing between Sona's lovelorn efforts to please and her family's emotional anchoring. What Sona is going through is not uncommon when one's in love; it's easy to get so carried away in ensuring that person stays in your life, that you lose little bits of yourself, especially when that person is not making the same level of sacrifices for you. But I just adore the Bose family because they don't judge or malign her when she loses her sense of self, but are constantly reminding her of who she is, where she comes from, and how she deserves to be treated.


In the end, all three protagonists have to learn to appreciate what they have always taken for granted. Ishwari takes Dev for granted, Dev takes Sona for granted, and Sona takes her family for granted. This incident and the subsequent separation will be a huge wake up call to all of them, as to who really has their best interests at heart.


P.S. Reverse-hijacking: I just finished binging KY2 a few weeks ago! Instant fan 😃


The makers have touched a sensitive topic, triggered many responses and you have responded separately to hijackers so I am going to return in kind 😃

I have made a few posts but will try and capture the gist here...

This new Dev-Sona relationship has made imperfect cracks in Ishwari's faade. She fit herself into the image of a perfect mother - mature, selfless, who brought up her kids through hardship, hardwork & lots of love! Dev's words, actions & worship gave her the needed validation.
So she has formed an unnatural bond with Dev - he is the man of the house and she depends on him. He is at the core of her identity, her anchor, her validation after they lost everything. Neha always reminded her of things she was doing wrong, Dev always made her feel good about herself. This is not exactly a mother insecure of a new person in her Son's life - This is a woman at the brink of losing her identity!
The new relationship is bringing out the worst in her. We all have a Jekyll & Hyde within us and Ishwari is now unable to hide her Hyde!
When I saw Ishwari of the Friday episode, the thought struck me was of a tigress who bares her fangs at the smell of danger - She protects her territory, her kids, her area - Her last chat with Sona was raw.
The fact that the promo shows a guilty mother tries to convey the conflict she is going through. This woman is losing herself.

Sona - She has always dreamt of her love story. The day Dev confessed, her dream came true. Since then we have seen a Sona trying to mould herself. We all screamed how we have lost Dr. Sonakshi Bose - This woman started seeing the Dixits as her future family. She didn't tell Dev about insults that were being showered on her - keeping the man out of kitchen politics. She didn't bring her own family in conversations and her objective of pushing Dev to share about them with Ishwari was 'Maa ko bura nahi lagna chahiye'. Where was her own family in all this? She kept them after the Dixits!
If she forgets them, how will Dev remember them (something we all wanted him to do)...

Women do this all the time. We project our identities on to our partners. Someone's daughter, someone's wife, someone's mother...

Ishwari was someone's wife & became a mother when her first child was born (Dev). After losing her husband, she got validation from that child & she attached her identity to this relationship...

Sona is an independent, educated woman but she projected her identity (as a woman) on to her love. The day Asha said, 'yeh meri Shona hai'!, Sona came back to herself. She has been vocal with Dev since. She again had a chat with baba, after the Halwa drama, who told her in as many words that she is her own person and an equal. A relationship is always between 2 equals and not by the woman losing herself... (Bless him!)
She came back the next day to speak with Ishwari - She said all the right things without disrespecting or challenging.

After watching all this, what I see is this story is about identities.
Ishwari - to understand who Ishwari Dixit is beyond simply being Dev's mother.
Sona - to understand that she is her own person and she can't doubt or lose herself in love. She doesn't need Ishwari's halwa to please Dev, she has her own uniqueness,

Dev - his identity is about to be shaken. I don't think he is wrong because he has blind faith on his mother - why should he not! He genuinely believes his happiness is her happiness. Ishwari has not insulted Sona in front of him and the first time Sona shared about Ishwari's action was after the Halwa drama (she didn't share anything before and he is not a mind reader). When he sees anything, he acts - like the photo incident. His only fault is he blindly believes Ishwari is fully on his side and being in love for the first time, he is simply in a super happy bubble.
But the fact that he was a hardened person before and Sona is the first thing that he can call only his is very telling.

This story is about these 3 characters finding their own identities that will not shift with changes around. Unless the 'I' is complete, how will you say 'I love you'.

Ishwari is not evil, she is losing her identity all over again (after her husband's death) and her natural survival instinct is to fight. She needs therapy. She can't be a good mother to anyone until she knows who she is.

I want to see how Dev goes about the break-up thing after his world is shaken.
He has promised the sky to the girl & is about to snatch her piece of land - he is on very shaky ground.


PS: Ah! 3rd recommendation for KY2 😃. This is my last week of family holiday so can't binge. Need to be sensitive to family but liking what I have watched so far...





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Posted: 9 years ago
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@adorenevirgo and Arch21 what stupendous piece of writing I am in awe
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: gemini54

@adorenevirgo and Arch21 what stupendous piece of writing I am in awe



Thank you for your kind words... 😊
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: gemini54

@adorenevirgo and Arch21 what stupendous piece of writing I am in awe


thank u dear...

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