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Posted: 9 years ago
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I think from Monday episode she starts taking overdose of tablets because overdose of tablets cannot bring health issue in one day but the intake of tablets may increase when she sees Dev confrontation with mami when she insults sona family and then ishwari may realize her mistake or may be she will do her analysis whatever she doing with Dev and sona from past few weeks was right or wrong and since she will to able to sleep for the falut she has done so she intake overdose of sleeping pills but the family members may think it as suicide and we have gkb to drop her unnecessary analysis to impose on dixit family.

I know you are concern and I think cvs are not going to show it as a suicide track. But they are trying to portray how the insecurity of a mother dominates her thinking and how she going to loose her mental
Stability and analyzing the issue. Yesterday episode was like she could not tolerate Dev speaking his heart and not accepting her view abt the photograph. Yesterday she could see a different Dev were he was trying to speak and fighting for sona rights. When a person starts thinking neg their must be someone to help and see the positive side of it but when the surroundings people also support that person thinking then it leads to increase the self pride insecurity and posseiveness. In ishwari issue their is no one who try to explain whatever she is thinking is wrong everyone are just worried abt her insecurity but their is no one to help her in coming out of that insecurity world even her daughters not even her brother talked openly abt wat they feel and their behaviour towards sona and they never corrected her and said whatever she doing is wrong towards sona and Dev. At some point Neha has raised her voice against ishwari insecurity.

Edited by mantuamu - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: dsr11

I am one of those who believe that martyrdom doesn't solve problems but it actually makes them worse. What Dev and his sisters are doing with Eeshwari is martyrdom. Putting her wishes above their own and looking for her happiness in everything they do. It's codependency. Every time Eeshwari wants something from Dev, she throws a fit or hurts herself and Dev does whatever she wishes so that she can be happy. That's totally unhealthy. I don't wish Sona to try and pacify her. She needs to speak her mind like Neha.

Every parent gives their all in raising their children, but that doesn't mean they have a right to expect the child to be bound to them for life. That's against laws of nature. Babies always leave the nest once they grow wings and the mother should be happy for them. If she is feeling lonely, she should find something useful to do with her life instead of sucking the happiness out of their families.


I think you may have misunderstood the point of my post. I am in no way encouraging Ishwari's behaviour and completely agree with everything you have said above. Her martyrdom and manipulation is affecting her children negatively and she and Dev definitely have a very unhealthy relationship, out of which both need to evolve. The point is that it's easy to see all of this from a third-person vantage point because we are looking at the situation more or less rationally; that is precisely what Ishwari is unable to do. Her emotions are so densely tangled up with regards to Dev that even she can't decipher them. She needs to be given a vocabulary to do so, and I agree that Sona cannot be that saviour. I would say she needs professional counselling to sort out her issues and learn to communicate her needs better.

There are almost always options other than suicide, but that is not the way it appears to the person who is suffering, and completely dismissing the root of their pain does nothing to address the hopelessness they face. All I ask with this post is that we take the issue of suicide a bit more seriously, instead of making flippant comments about how Ishwari should go ahead and take the pills because she's so annoying anyway.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: gemini54

She isn't using it as a tool of manipulation, as many seem to suggest, but I think genuinely believes herself a bad mother, because she can't partake in Dev's happiness


@ Sam I agree that shoving mental health issues under the rug is not going to bring it forward and build awareness surrounding it but all I am saying like you are is do the makers have the sensitivity and maturity to deal with it? and is it appropriate for this circumstances?

How many can really understand what you have stated in BOLD above?.


Based on the way they have developed Ishwari's character, I genuinely believe these CVs are trying to show precisely what I stated above. The conflict within her is clearly visible, between the fear of Sona making her obsolete in Dev's life and the guilt of making Dev and Sona unhappy. You can clearly see that she is disappointed in herself, in her more lucid moments, for the way she treats Sona, and yet she can't seem to help herself when the fear takes over. She doesn't like this about herself and yet she is unable to conquer it. This internal conflict is eating away at her, and I predict, drives her to the desperation of the moment depicted in the promo. 😭
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Devakshilover

BTW she will not commit 'suicide' she will take more does without realising in depression.


Oh, I am just going by what the promo showed, where she was clearly swallowing a handful of sleeping pills. There's only one reason people do that, I'm afraid. 😔
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: mantuamu

I think from Monday episode she starts taking overdose of tablets because overdose of tablets cannot bring health issue in one day but the intake of tablets may increase when she sees Dev confrontation with mami when she insults sona family and then ishwari may realize her mistake or may be she will do her analysis whatever she doing with Dev and sona from past few weeks was right or wrong and since she will to able to sleep for the falut she has done so she intake overdose of sleeping pills but the family members may think it as suicide and we have gkb to drop her unnecessary analysis to impose on dixit family.

I know you are concern and I think cvs are not going to show it as a suicide track. But they are trying to portray how the insecurity of a mother dominates her thinking and how she going to loose her mental
Stability and analyzing the issue. Yesterday episode was like she could not tolerate Dev speaking his heart and not accepting her view abt the photograph. Yesterday she could see a different Dev were he was trying to speak and fighting for sona rights. When a person starts thinking neg their must be someone to help and see the positive side of it but when the surroundings people also support that person thinking then it leads to increase the self pride insecurity and posseiveness. In ishwari issue their is no one who try to explain whatever she is thinking is wrong everyone are just worried abt her insecurity but their is no one to help her in coming out of that insecurity world even her daughters not even her brother talked openly abt wat they feel and their behaviour towards sona and they never corrected her and said whatever she doing is wrong towards sona and Dev. At some point Neha has raised her voice against ishwari insecurity.


Hey, thanks for the detailed response! For me, it's not so much about whether Ishwari tries to commit suicide or not (though I do think the promo made it quite clear). It's more about how people are discussing this possible step that worries me. It's one thing to be angry and frustrated at her behaviour but quite another to take that out by saying nobody cares if she takes the pills. This show is not just Dev and Sona's love story in which Ishwari is the villain. It is also her story, and the truth of her humanity is something that both she and Dev have to face. That is what I think this track is about, not just the separation and union of lovers. 😊
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Posted: 9 years ago
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As always the post worth reading sam.. well getting into the point, the promo shows Ishwari's intention is not to suiside but to get some sleep( or peace) and unknowingly she eat too many tablets.. I don't think her character is portrayed so weak to suicide for such a silly reason.. lets wait n watch whats the cvs want to say..
The best thing we can grab from all this is don't love anyone to this extent so that we couldn't even question even if they are terrible mistaken but to blindly follow what they wish.. Dev's character definitely is a mirror to many people..
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Ammuty

As always the post worth reading sam.. well getting into the point, the promo shows Ishwari's intention is not to suiside but to get some sleep( or peace) and unknowingly she eat too many tablets.. I don't think her character is portrayed so weak to suicide for such a silly reason.. lets wait n watch whats the cvs want to say..

The best thing we can grab from all this is don't love anyone to this extent so that we couldn't even question even if they are terrible mistaken but to blindly follow what they wish.. Dev's character definitely is a mirror to many people..




But this type of situation would be faced by many men either when they have in love or after marriage they will be struck between two people whom they love the most and they don't have the intensional to hurt both of them but in this process of not hurting he himself either grow up as a person or diminishes his own character, I think through this break up track cvs are trying to portray Dev growing as a man , even though the path he choosed not to hurt his mom but this will help to grow as a man and make him to analyze the situation and speak for his rights.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Samanalyse


I think you are absolutely right! We are very quick to chastise characters that don't behave in a manner suited to their ideal potential. What I personally love about this serial is how human the characters are. I feel this is what is the beauty of this show. None of the characters are perfect or super humans. They all are beautiful with their own set of flaws which makes them real & human.
For ex lets take halwa scene, 3 of them did mistakes here. Sona didnt follow the given recipe & she didn't even taste it. Ishwari tasted it & used it as per her convenience. Even though it tasted bad, Dev should learn to respect food & efforts of the person who made it. Here problem is, we all are having a shade of Ishwari inside us.😆 The way how she picks up what ever she want from the conversation or situation even we refuse to see the flaws of our beloved characters.

They are all excellent people, but not always able to show their best side. And in fact the pressure to be this perfect person is what is weighing so heavily on Ishwari's mind. So true. Allow then to make mistakes and thats how they will learn lessons in life. Without flaws or mistakes, there will be no growth.

It makes for a very interesting commentary on human flaws when the characters themselves are having these conflicts within the show's universe. I so hope that they show Ishwari seeking professional help to really understand her own issues! It would be the right lesson to come from this track! If makers really think that their show is close to reality then this is what they need to show and dont glorify her act under the name of sympathy or drama.

Edited by LiveLife321 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: mantuamu






But this type of situation would be faced by many men either when they have in love or after marriage they will be struck between two people whom they love the most and they don't have the intensional to hurt both of them but in this process of not hurting he himself either grow up as a person or diminishes his own character, I think through this break up track cvs are trying to portray Dev growing as a man , even though the path he choosed not to hurt his mom but this will help to grow as a man and make him to analyze the situation and speak for his rights.


Agree with u.. but lack of communication or lack of guts to speak to his mom complicated things,That's what I feel.. atleast he could clear his mom that how much he need sona.. that may make Ishwari to think atleast.. before hurting that poor soul..
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Posted: 9 years ago
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As usual amazing post and much needed ... Regarding these reactions I don't want to comment , since I dont think its in our hand or if it will do any good with our POV , but the issue you addressed is very serious , and regarding Ishwari's mental state I completely understand what you are trying to convey and till yesterday CVs succeeded in bringing out her confusion , but todays episode was too emotionally draining to comment on this . 😭

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