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Posted: 9 years ago
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Her portrayal is really bad in the serial. They play the really sad music in the background while she is talking. It drives me to not want to see the serial and just read updates. There is nothing sad about her portrayal.
In an effort to show reality, they cannot expect us to have sympathy for her.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Unfortunately mothers train their sons only to remain sons and no training is given to become a good husband whereas for a girl the training is always to become good Bahu.. so that is where son's looses the ground..
Ishwari is very real ... She wants to hold on to her son so badly that she can be bad to everyone else in the world..

She could hide Khatri secret from Dev but cannot tolerate Dev hiding anything from her..

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: adoremevirgo

i dont understand wat point TM is trying to make...ishwari's character is evry real...her ovr-obsessiveness and tight hold on her son is unhealthy i agree to that...but such unhealthy traits r real and not made up by the CVs...


i guess u hvnt seen such MILs in real life...but i hv and i assure u that they r showing the raw truth...i am gving u some examples...can u believe that i know someone who doesnt even allow her son to shut his bedroom door at night even wen he is sleeping with his wife...she only allows a curtain at the door...can u believe i know another MIL who always takes her son out with her wenever he has invitation in another place with his wife so that his wife cannot go out with his son...ishwari is a very much real character...and the CVs hv always told us from pre-launch promos that dev's mom will be possessive and so devakshi will face problems...the MILs that i just gv examples are also very sweet and caring with everyone else excepts their DILs...my closest friend is one such DIL...she always tells me that she has noone to complain since noone will believe...everyone else thinks that her MIL is a very sweet person but only she knows how her MIL behaves with her...ishwari is nothing compared to wat i hv seen in real life...a son's mother can be obsessed to the height of infinity...i hv known one who even tried to commit suicide because of her MIL's over-obsessive nature...here they r showing that ishwari lost her husband at very young age...but the examples that i gv still hv their husbands alive but still they r so over-obsessed with their sons...this happens mostly wen mothers hv only one son irrespective of whether they hv daughters or not...so dont worry...the CVs r very true to reality and they r not showing any OTT drama...

and we r not supposed to connect with ishwari...the CVs hv always promised us this topic where devakshi will face problems because of dev's mother...the purpose of this show is to explore this facet of the society where MILs refuse to accept another woman in son's life and its repercussions...

most of the cruel MILs that i hv seen around me surprisingly hv daughters too...so ishwari hvng 4 children is also not for drama's sake...only common element that i find in these kinds of mothers in real life is that they hv only one son...and ishwari too has only one son...

i am finding nothing wrong in this show so far...


Sorry for my delayed response...Life got busy :)

Thank you for the feedback and first would like to acknowledge 2 things you said -

- The examples you gave are very real and there are so many different kinds of people & relationships all around us. I have many around me and I feel for all the people involved in every case. How do you live like this day in and day out - This is real and unhealthy.

- You are very right. This is the theme of the show from the start. Journey of 3 people ad the Mother's journey from being a good mother to a good mother-in-law.
I touched on this in a post I did last week - http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4678340

Coming back to the point I was trying to make -

We all know what they plan to show but -
- They have cast Supriyaji in the Mother's role. This is a fantastic actress and oozes goodness. So the expectation is that the topic is handled with sensitivity & maturity.
- The scary expressions, the sad background music when the mother comes in the frame, the single-point focus on 'woh ladki', and now the expression in the precap all make this an attempt at creating drama. The mother can feel sad, can feel conflicted, confused and she could talk to herself (like during Natasha's engagement when she kept telling herself that she wants to be happy for her son then why is she feeling this way...)... her conflict needs to be portrayed. If not, this becomes a one-dimensional portrayal of anger and disappointment - then what is the difference between this show and all other shows on TV. They all deal with the saas-bahu theme in extremes (and those type of people exist in reality).

You used an appropriate word - Cruel. Cruel MILs!
So my question is do the makers want to show this mother as cruel? What is the intention here? If yes, then why cast Supriyaji? Any other actress who makes big eyes and scary faces would do and we would have instantly known who the antagonist is...

What hooked us to this show is while it is the same story, it is being dealt with sensitivity, maturity & subtlety. While each character is flawed, they are very human and this will be a journey of love, adjustment and finally becoming a team...

If this was the same story of cruel MILs/meek DILs and silent Sons... am not sure why most of us are watching it...

and finally, we as audience do need to connect with the characters for the story to stay with us. We may agree to disagree with the character but we should feel something - sympathy, sadness, empathy...something. If not then why would we invest 30mins of our time watching each episode and many more minutes analyzing it.

I guess all I am trying to say after this long reply (sorry) is that the makers need to find a certain balance in showing emotions, expression and actions to not make this same story into 'same execution' as well.

What happens all around us is not always right...
If the makers justify Ishwari's one-sided obsessive behavior, the message to all cruel MILs is that you are all doing ok...
I just want to know what their point is...

Lastly, sorry for this long response...this is just my POV... :)



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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: _Payalj_


Agree. Such MIL exist in dozens. I myself know of several of them. That is why never found Ishwari unrealistic. It's only that here we are shown her saying aloud her demented thinking and in real life these are sub conscious actions.

In fact a piece of wisdom someone gave me once- (have personally seen it happening also) Most mothers do not like to share their son and have jealousy issues. If their son in law spends time with daughter he is sensible and understanding. If son does that with wife he is becoming joru ka gulaam

Out of these women several go to the extent of trying to demean the daughter in law or do not let their sons marry women of their choice or try to control their sons like robots.

The game changer in every case has to be the son. If he refuses to give in to his mother's tantrums and insists that his wife be respected the mother learns to adjust within a few years. Else the relationship becomes hell.


@Bold: Is this what Ishwari wants to do? Damn! am so confused...! :)

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: LiveLife321

Agree to everything you said here. I too feel there is nothing wrong in the show concept wise. I also agree that comparing to some MILs in real life Eshwari ji is nothing before them.

I only feel here problem is with the execution and presentation of Eshwari's character. Supriya ji is a terrific actor and there is no Q or doubt about that and i am able to bear Eshwari only because of her. My only Q is how writers want to show case Eshwari's character? From the starting i honestly felt this show is more about Eshwari's journey & growth than dev-sona's journey because i feel she is the most flawed character in this entire show.
If writers want to highlight her insecurities then they really need to tone down Eshwari's character and her scary/disgusting expressions. With this much intensity, viewers cant understand/connect/sympathize with her. I honestly feel writers need to pull up their socks and protect what they have built so beautifully till now in this show and not to spoil its essence just for drama. This is just my pov.


Absolutely - the answer is simple - Execution!
To the makers - Maintain a balance in relationships and expressions. There is something beautiful you have already created, protect it.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Hello All,
Having read through a healthy discussion thread of agreeing to disagree, I chose this to write my opinion on this show.

Coming to the concern that the mother's possessiveness is turning uni-dimensional towards black from grey, I too feel as long as her inner conflict is shown in accepting /denying the truth of Dev-Sona relationship, if she is shown fighting her demons, bring it on. I can sympathize. If it's again a scheming mother (in law), it's boring.
I read that there was this question on why chose Mrs. Supriya for such a role. I feel she is getting to explore her capacity to portray different shades of grey, away from the goody mother roles she may have done in the past. She is doing good.

Categorizing the four mothers:
The writers have managed to bring the variation in the characters of four mothers and the difference in approach to their respective children and the level of involvement (encroachment) in their lives.
Ishwari: Her expectation from her son is unreasonable, her behavior definitely not healthy.
Radha: Partner in Crime to her son's misdeeds, mostly triggered and instigated by her own greed.
Asha: Not ideal yet healthy. She is friendly, willing to help or be part of her children's lives inspite being taken for granted.
Ranveer's mother: So far she is shown good-natured, willing to give space to her son and his wife to adjust or rather learn to adjust with each other. She is not clingy and that keeps her emotionally close to her sons even if she's not physically present with both of them.

I wonder if it is intentional of the writers to have Dev's original name as "Devavrat". I think Mami Radha mentioned to Sonakshi that he is named as "Devvrat", but he is "Shravan kumar" in real.
We could assume that as a character, his mother Ishwari knowingly or sub-consciously has named him that. She probably hopes that he lives up to his name. Devavrat, better known as Bhishma, known for his celibate pledge and willing renunciation of his own pleasures and serving as the guardian/protector/provider to his family of half brothers and their lineage.
As per Ramayana, Shravan Kumar also lived and died serving his aged parents.( He was killed by Dasaratha's arrow).

I seriously wish that Sonakshi is shown a little more assertive. Discounting all the counter-arguments of her being in love, she doesn't have to tolerate such jibes being thrown at her. An example would be if she could have "politely" stressed to Mami Radha that she could not pick or answer her phone calls without her permission. I wish the writers could be given the freedom by the channel or the PH to be confident to play out a script where unreal situations can be avoided. In order to write a scene which would involve Sonakshi in Dixit house, her profession of a Nutritionist is being misrepresented. Even if she has been exclusively hired by Mr. Dixit for his mother's personal care, a nutritionist job is not to spend her entire day at the house of her client. She can be conveniently taken for a home-nurse as of now.

I so far like Neha as a character. She is good, but no saint. She would have been better if she got her acknowledgement for her contribution towards her family, which is in public. When Dev Dixit introduces his mother as the source of inspiration and acknowledges her "sacrifices" among his colleaugues, Neha is left out. She can sulk and target her anger at her brother and mother, but she does not ill-treat her younger sisters. Her demand for AC from her brother was her struggle for equality and not AC per se. She can hide the fact from Ranveer that she had only requested her brother to make him rich, yet she doesn't want the relationship between her brother and husband to strain. She makes mistakes. She accepts them. She tries to change. She is HUMAN.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: _Avatarana_

Hello All,
Having read through a healthy discussion thread of agreeing to disagree, I chose this to write my opinion on this show.

Coming to the concern that the mother's possessiveness is turning uni-dimensional towards black from grey, I too feel as long as her inner conflict is shown in accepting /denying the truth of Dev-Sona relationship, if she is shown fighting her demons, bring it on. I can sympathize. If it's again a scheming mother (in law), it's boring.
I read that there was this question on why chose Mrs. Supriya for such a role. I feel she is getting to explore her capacity to portray different shades of grey, away from the goody mother roles she may have done in the past. She is doing good.

Categorizing the four mothers:
The writers have managed to bring the variation in the characters of four mothers and the difference in approach to their respective children and the level of involvement (encroachment) in their lives.
Ishwari: Her expectation from her son is unreasonable, her behavior definitely not healthy.
Radha: Partner in Crime to her son's misdeeds, mostly triggered and instigated by her own greed.
Asha: Not ideal yet healthy. She is friendly, willing to help or be part of her children's lives inspite being taken for granted.
Ranveer's mother: So far she is shown good-natured, willing to give space to her son and his wife to adjust or rather learn to adjust with each other. She is not clingy and that keeps her emotionally close to her sons even if she's not physically present with both of them.

I wonder if it is intentional of the writers to have Dev's original name as "Devavrat". I think Mami Radha mentioned to Sonakshi that he is named as "Devvrat", but he is "Shravan kumar" in real.
We could assume that as a character, his mother Ishwari knowingly or sub-consciously has named him that. She probably hopes that he lives up to his name. Devavrat, better known as Bhishma, known for his celibate pledge and willing renunciation of his own pleasures and serving as the guardian/protector/provider to his family of half brothers and their lineage.
As per Ramayana, Shravan Kumar also lived and died serving his aged parents.( He was killed by Dasaratha's arrow).


I seriously wish that Sonakshi is shown a little more assertive. Discounting all the counter-arguments of her being in love, she doesn't have to tolerate such jibes being thrown at her. An example would be if she could have "politely" stressed to Mami Radha that she could not pick or answer her phone calls without her permission. I wish the writers could be given the freedom by the channel or the PH to be confident to play out a script where unreal situations can be avoided. In order to write a scene which would involve Sonakshi in Dixit house, her profession of a Nutritionist is being misrepresented. Even if she has been exclusively hired by Mr. Dixit for his mother's personal care, a nutritionist job is not to spend her entire day at the house of her client. She can be conveniently taken for a home-nurse as of now.

I so far like Neha as a character. She is good, but no saint. She would have been better if she got her acknowledgement for her contribution towards her family, which is in public. When Dev Dixit introduces his mother as the source of inspiration and acknowledges her "sacrifices" among his colleaugues, Neha is left out. She can sulk and target her anger at her brother and mother, but she does not ill-treat her younger sisters. Her demand for AC from her brother was her struggle for equality and not AC per se. She can hide the fact from Ranveer that she had only requested her brother to make him rich, yet she doesn't want the relationship between her brother and husband to strain. She makes mistakes. She accepts them. She tries to change. She is HUMAN.

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Firstly, thank you for choosing to share your opinion here... A warm welcome!

@Bold - This is such a nice thought.
Characterization that has a thought-out justification is worth watching. If the writers have thought on this angle then bring it on. The conflict, emotions, repercussions and expectations will be worth seeing. Maybe then the jigsaw puzzle will come together...

but like you rightly say, if this is about an insecure, possessive scheming mother (in-law) - Boring!

There might be such mothers/women all around us but this is a story... what is their hook? What is it that they want to show has been my question...

The difference in the 4 mothers - Are these just characters planted in the story or is there an intention to show the different approaches?
Will they make Ishwari see some facets of life through any of the other mothers or they are just characters in the story who will not be fully explored?

Neha - Absolutely. She is the most human character in this show. I really like how she is sketched till now... She brings out the latent feelings of many girls out there... responsibilities of home are loaded on their shoulders but there is no need of acknowledgment as this contribution is just considered part of being a 'girl child'... You take care of home... This is the age old difference in approach towards girl & boy.
If Dev was the second born, then would he have to take care of home? I don't think so. Even if Neha was the first born, she would still get home responsibility and Dev would still be expected to go out and earn.
These are society's gender rules and even if we have progressed, this is how it is.

Neha's mind is progressive that's why she feels no hesitation in expecting to be acknowledged, she knows she contributed and sacrificed for everyone to get to where they are but she is not meekly accepting the fact that girls take care of home so there is no big deal in what she did.
She knows she has sacrificed, she wants to be acknowledged and she does not shy away from voicing her opinion. That's a progressive woman.

In this Ishwari empire, Neha has a rightful share as she has been an equal partner in this family's success. At least Dev feels a responsibility but the mother simply married her off and seems to want to forget about her. In her philosophical speeches, she talks about Neha being Ranveer's responsibility and giving her anything will harm Ranveer's self-respect... not for a second does she think about Neha's rightful inheritance - using Dev's words "Marriage does not mean that Neha ceases to be their daughter/sister"...

Sona - She has the family backing. She is educated. Her family does not expect her to follow gender set roles and gives her freedom. Since she has fallen in love, she is moving towards the gender expected role of being a 'woman'... She is treated with the right respect at her place but she is shown giving away her respect at the Dixit home...
This is one character that pulled most of us to this show and this is turning out to be a let down...
Assertive is not Aggressive. Self respect is all about respecting ourselves and nothing about disrespecting others... Where is that Sona?


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