June 16: Of Love & Secrecy - A Web of Emotions - Page 4

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Posted: 9 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: rukiaa

Amazing analysis...👏👏

Always enjoyed reading these analysis😳...i was again going to miss it...thank God...saw it twitter and hurriedly came here...😆
One thing i want to say in one promo ishwari was angry with sona but in others two sona wants to talk to ishwari but dev does not let her talk...maybe at first ishwari become angry on them and but after that maybe Dev stop sona to say anything realizing how it will hurt his mama...just a thought...😆


Thank you! :) Yes that's something I noticed in the promos too... All the more reason to believe this isn't going to be the typical triangle between a possessive mother, her son and the love of his life. :)
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Posted: 9 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: sammy8182

Maham...awesome analysis...gr8 job...

U hve gift of words &flow as well...v.engaging writing..

Keep it up...


Thank you as always :)
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Posted: 9 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: priya1808


Why u so awesome Maham? 😃

Thanks for analysing every episode this week 😊 as u know i love reading your analysis! It really helps in understading Ishwari, she's too complicated for me to understand without your analysis

Dev be so cute the way his face lit up on the mention of 'nutrition' haha 😆 and Sona really should ve told Dada and Elena before, they deserved to know...oh well now I look forward to cute teasing at the Bose house 😉

Btw in today's episode when the female version of tu mujme mujhse zyada he was playing, Dev was telling something to Sona by gestures and I didn't get it..did yo


Hahaha hi Priya!

I'm glad my write-ups help you undertand Ishwari better :) Hahaha @ Dev: I know.. I loved how his face lit up as soon as his Mother mentioned Sona. As for Dada and Elena, hahaha I loved their reactions on Friday. 😆

I think someone alreday explained, he was telling her to come up to his room... Dev ka bass chale tou Sona ki naukri hi chali jaye gi. 😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: mena_k

Superb analysis.

I am not sure If Ishwari's rejection would only be for Dev hiding things or Dev changing for good because of Sona or him going away feeling. I feel its far more complicated than this. Ishwari simply doesn't want any other woman not even his sisters to come between her and Dev's relation. Weird, scary and sad to be a son of such a mother I say. She has no least bit of interest in Dev's happiness though she may keep repeating "I want my son to be happy", but that's a lie. All she ever cares for is her happiness.


Thank you :) There are several factors in play with regards to Ishwari's insecurity. I feel Ishwari's basic fair is loneliness. Dev has been her biggest support system and in some ways she doesn't know who she is if she isn't his Mother. I know she will always be his Mother ofcourse, but my point is that her fear of becoming obsolete in Dev's life is very clear. That is mainly why Ishwari dreads Dev getting married. Once Dev has a wife to take care of him, he won't need his Mother anymore. Even for a Mother-Son, they are very attached to each other and aren't we all scared of losing the people we love or becoming insignificant to them? I don't think Ishwari's case is as black and white as her not caring about Dev's happiness at all... If that were the case she would have just openly told him to not marry Natasha yet she tried her best to support him there and insisted he make up his own mind.

Ishwari isn't a negative character. None of the central characters in this show are stereotypes that way, they are normal people with their own set of flaws and insecurities and if we see them as human, then I feel its easier to empathize and make allowances for them because in the end, none of us are perfect. :)
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Posted: 9 years ago
#35

Originally posted by: Showmereel

So beautifully described !!


I hope that they show our love birds cross this initial phase of love and get settles and comfortable with their new relationship, get back to normal, especially Dev and then Ishwari comes to know about it ...
I am not too happy after seeing the OLV. I think GRB will stir up some drama. Let's see what happens


Thank you! And yes I hope so too... Haven't seen the new OLV 🤔. Hope its nothing completely awful.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: ...Maham...

Dev has always been a bit messed up as person and in this particular phase of life, when he is experiencing new things, acknowledging his flaws and growing as person, he's going to need that kind of help all the time. Its something I can relate to as well. :)


I think that is something we can all relate to! And I love that they are showing that Sona, despite being much better aquainted and much more secure with herself, is not perfect and makes her own strange mistakes in this brand new territory. The mirchi scene exemplified this beautifully! She took for granted the levity and knowledge of pop-culture that she is used to when she asked Dev to eat those chilis -- anyone who is aquainted with Bollywood would have recognised that she was just playing on a familiar trope to tease Dev with some meaningless melodrama, but not Dev. In all his oblivious sincerity, he took her at face value and began to chow down, giving Sona a harsh reminder to be more sensitive to his reality. She can't necessarily do some of those cliche girlfriend things with Dev because his experiences, or lack thereof, haven't afforded him the vocabulary to push back when she does. She's also learning how best to love this very unique man, and how to respect his love in turn.

Just *SIGH*

I love the point you have made here. Guilt is definitely something we didn't account for before and now it definitely seems to be very a plausible factor in the mess to come. I love how this show deals with such core human emotions!

Same here! I've said this before, but it's also so great to see a male character dealing with these core emotions, instead of playing savior! They are really justifying Dev being at the center of the montage and I couldn't be happier. 😃

I think the most unhealthy thing about Dev and Ishwari's relationship is how insular it is. They are so connected as a unit, and so interdependent, that the thought of confiding in someone else seems like a betrayal; even Neha, who took on more than a fair share of the family's burden, doesn't get to be part of their team, and is kept in a subordinate position in the family (the main cause for her resentment). I think that's why Dev hasn't really told Ishwari about his conversations with Sona. Acknowledging his need for Sona, and the unique place she fills that Ishwari cannot, means that he has to acknowledge that Ishwari is not perfect, not the flawless deity he has been worshipping all these years. And I think this is going to be the cause of Dev's guilt and his central conflict. Right now, Dev isn't really thinking about his relationship with his mom and his love for Sona in the same mental frame, because he doesn't have to, but once he does, he's going to struggle with the fact that Ishwari no longer fulfills all his needs... it is going to feel like a betrayal and he will recoil in a big way.

I'm really hoping they bring back the Khatri angle at this point in the story. Dev chooses to remain an unquestioning devotee of Ishwari at the cost of his relationship with Sona, only to discover that Ishwari did something less than ideal in extenuating circumstances. Seeing his mother as a flawed human could be an ideal place from which they could rebuild a relationship that has space for other people they love, like Neha and Sona.

Haha, I'm a very lazy reader but when it comes to your responses.. the longer the better. Mutual admiration club remember? 😆

Good I hope you enjoy this latest barrage of words, brought to you by KRPKAB-less weekend! 😆

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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Sam: I love talking to you! 😆 Okay coming to your reply, I loved what you wrote about the mirchi scene.

Dev. In all his oblivious sincerity, he took her at face value and began to chow down, giving Sona a harsh reminder to be more sensitive to his reality. She can't necessarily do some of those cliche girlfriend things with Dev because his experiences, or lack thereof, haven't afforded him the vocabulary to push back when she does. She's also learning how best to love this very unique man, and how to respect his love in turn.


Just take a hug for penning that down SO beautifully 🤗 Especially the last line. *sigh* indeed. That scene was such a beautiful representation of how Dev and Sona are learning new things, both as a pair and individually as well. :) BTW when Dev said "Aap nai tum." I thought of you. 😆 Their conversation about the gift - His admission that he had never imagined himself taking an interest or even knowing about any of this, reminded me of his utter lack of interest in choosing his own engagement ring. Nice little parallel there. I also loved how he says he has just begun to understand himself followed by Sona's "Main samaj lungi." I love how these two make such efforts to really know each other and understand each other, its something that exists in any healthy relationship but is often ignored on Television. In Dev and Sona's case, they really need to be on the same page, be well versed with each other's shortcomings, needs.. What's important to the other person and what isn't, to survive what lies ahead of them. I noticed that in the promos too... Very rarely do you see a man talking openly about why he can't take the relationship forward and receive a quiet kind of understanding in return. There were so many elements in just the promos that can be such a challenge to achieve once the actual story unfolds - His honesty, guilt and that unique mixture of sadness, understanding and dignity from Sona being the most important ones. Also how inspite of their situation, she could still make a light joke. All in all its great to see that the writers have a very clear idea about enabling these two characters to reach that point. The progression in their story has been so realistically beautiful that way, never straying from the original premise.

Word @ Dev being one of the very rare male characters who remains at center of the story instead of hovering at the sidelines.

Loved what you said about the unhealthy aspect of Dev and Ishwari's relationship. It really makes sense now why he chose to never tell Ishwari about his growing closeness with Sona. To acknowledge that he might need someone besides his Mother would definitely feel like a betrayal. Its something I can relate too as well *smh* As for Khatri, I'm hoping the same. I wrote something about that particular angle in my very first post on the forum and I'm too lazy to write again so I'll just quote myself instead 😆

I am curious to see the affect it will have on Dev in particular. He derives so much of his strength from his Mother. She is his inspiration and his pride in every way. He worships her. The idea that she never bowed down in the face of adversity has clearly pushed him through some of the most difficult times of his life... He derives a certain sense of self from the idea of her perfection and it is exactly that, that makes his existence so fragile. To see his idol shatter, would perhaps shatter Dev as well and it might be then when he finally wakes up to the fact that his Mother is still human.


If this happens then Sona is clealy going to play a big role in neutralizing this issue, (I'm hoping it does, its going to be fascinating 😆) That in turn, might help Ishwari in seeing why Sona is the best thing that ever happened to her son.

Seeing his mother as a flawed human could be an ideal place from which they could rebuild a relationship that has space for other people they love, like Neha and Sona.


Word!








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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Maham: I love talking to you too! And since we still have almost 24 hours until the next episode, I am indulging one more rambly response.


YES! The "aap nai tum" reminded me of our conversation here as well. I was like from my mind to your lips, Dev babu! I love that Dev doesn't feel at all comfortable with Sona calling him "aap" and even though she didn't explicitly use the word "tum," the way she imperiously told him to sit down and drink his milk grammatically implied it and that's good enough for me! In fact, I really appreciate the struggle they are going through to let go of old habits and embrace their new status as a couple, all while trying to keep it hidden from the rest of his family. It can't be easy and it's wonderful to see that the writers aren't shying away from that awkwardness.


A big, fat WORD to everything you said about their mutual understanding. That is what attracted me to the promos as well: two people who are clearly in love with each other, kept apart by problems outside of their relationship which both of them seem to understand and accept without blaming the other. Sona understood Dev's position, and was not angry with Ishwari, despite her supposedly being the reason for the separation. But she was also not the long-suffering, all-sacrificing bahu, as displayed by her witty quips. She begged Dev to let her speak with Ishwari, but respected that it was ultimately his choice, and recognised boundaries when he said no. And through out it all, she kept making him smile. The writers started with a strong premise and gently, patiently told the story that led to it. Looking back, I can't believe how seamlessly we got to this point!


That's an amazing insight you had right at the beginning of the show, and it's so very true. Dev literally keeps a shrine to his mother's struggle in that almari of his, and romanticises her life and her person way beyond her humanity. The guilt that these memories cause have been the primary drive for his success, and Ishwari is not at all innocent of all of this. Right from when he was a child, instead of communicating directly, she played on his guilt to pull him away from natural childishness, and push him towards academic success. Granted, it was necessary at the time, and given the resources she had, I can't imagine anyone strategising or executing a long-term plan for her family's comfort better than Ishwari, but it left lasting scars on both Dev and Neha.


What makes Neha such an interesting character is that she has recognised how her mother uses guilt: Ishwari is so sweet, gentle, and determined to see the good in everyone that it makes you feel the fierce need to protect her, and be a "better person." That's why Neha rankles when Ishwari is kind to her... she sees it as nothing but more manipulation. She feels much more kinship with the real Ishwari, as we saw when she defended her from Khatri. Neha's demands for material things, and for attention solely on her, are her ways of resisting the influence of the saintly Ishwari, who brushes real issues under the table and maintains the image of untainted goodness. It makes me wonder how much of her desire for a wealthy husband is real, and how much of it is in opposition to Ishwari's ideals.


The Khatri angle would be awesome in so many ways. Not only would it challenge the relationship between Dev and Ishwari, but would finally allow Ishwari to see how strong and capable an ally Neha is. A real Neha-Ishwari relationship would unite the family that has thus far been divided by the insular bond between Ishwari and Dev. Ishwari taking comfort in all her children would give Dev more breathing room to guiltlessly pursue his own desires.


Here's to new frontiers of long and rambly! 👍🏼😆

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Posted: 9 years ago
#39

Originally posted by: Samanalyse

@Maham: I love talking to you too! And since we still have almost 24 hours until the next episode, I am indulging one more rambly response.


YES! The "aap nai tum" reminded me of our conversation here as well. I was like from my mind to your lips, Dev babu! I love that Dev doesn't feel at all comfortable with Sona calling him "aap" and even though she didn't explicitly use the word "tum," the way she imperiously told him to sit down and drink his milk grammatically implied it and that's good enough for me! In fact, I really appreciate the struggle they are going through to let go of old habits and embrace their new status as a couple, all while trying to keep it hidden from the rest of his family. It can't be easy and it's wonderful to see that the writers aren't shying away from that awkwardness. Its like you read my mind. I was satisfied with that particular bit where she tells him to sit an drink his milk for the same reason 😆 And yes absolutely @ Their struggle: I like how the writers are approaching their change in status quo so well. Despite Sona wishing she could call him Dev and Dev lecturing himself in the mirror over the same, addressing each other by their surnames is still proving to be an instinctive thing for them and its very real. BTW I love how they have gone from "It's Dr. Bose for you." to "Miss Bose" to "It's Sonakshi for you." 😆 Such a sweet little set of parallels that helps highlight the changes their relationship has undergone.


A big, fat WORD to everything you said about their mutual understanding. That is what attracted me to the promos as well: two people who are clearly in love with each other, kept apart by problems outside of their relationship which both of them seem to understand and accept without blaming the other. Sona understood Dev's position, and was not angry with Ishwari, despite her supposedly being the reason for the separation. But she was also not the long-suffering, all-sacrificing bahu, as displayed by her witty quips. She begged Dev to let her speak with Ishwari, but respected that it was ultimately his choice, and recognised boundaries when he said no. And through out it all, she kept making him smile. WORD. Exactly what attracted me to the promos as well! The writers started with a strong premise and gently, patiently told the story that led to it. Looking back, I can't believe how seamlessly we got to this point!


That's an amazing insight you had right at the beginning of the show, and it's so very true. Dev literally keeps a shrine to his mother's struggle in that almari of his, and romanticises her life and her person way beyond her humanity. The guilt that these memories cause have been the primary drive for his success, and Ishwari is not at all innocent of all of this. Right from when he was a child, instead of communicating directly, she played on his guilt to pull him away from natural childishness, and push him towards academic success. Granted, it was necessary at the time, and given the resources she had, I can't imagine anyone strategising or executing a long-term plan for her family's comfort better than Ishwari, but it left lasting scars on both Dev and Neha. I know right? I remember, something that Ishwari said along these lines that really hit me. I don't remember the scene but she said something like "Dev parhai mein sab se tez tha, humari aage badhne ki umeed tha woh." I was so struck then that Ishwari's partiality for Dev wasn't even entirely out of love. On some level, her investment into Dev was a cold, strategic decision. And yes you are so right, we have seen quite a few times how she has played on to his guilt. As much as Ishwari feels sad over Dev not being able to live out his childhood, she was also directly responsible for it. I know it was necessary at the time and she did what she had to do, but yes like you said, its damaged both Neha and Dev deep within. What's different between Neha and Dev here is that Neha is aware of that damage, Dev still remains oblivious because he has always been so fixated on living upto everyone's expectations and giving his family a better life, thereby leaving no time for any self-examination. No wonder he took so long to understand what he feels for Sona.


What makes Neha such an interesting character is that she has recognised how her mother uses guilt: Ishwari is so sweet, gentle, and determined to see the good in everyone that it makes you feel the fierce need to protect her, and be a "better person." That's why Neha rankles when Ishwari is kind to her... she sees it as nothing but more manipulation. She feels much more kinship with the real Ishwari, as we saw when she defended her from Khatri. Neha's demands for material things, and for attention solely on her, are her ways of resisting the influence of the saintly Ishwari, who brushes real issues under the table and maintains the image of untainted goodness. It makes me wonder how much of her desire for a wealthy husband is real, and how much of it is in opposition to Ishwari's ideals. I love how you have examined Neha here. Neha is probably one of the most complex characters on this show. I'll say it once again, for a secondary character, I admire the writers for paying such attention to her characterization. It's kind of sad how Dev, Ishwari and Neha each have their problems and complexes and yet they are unable to really help each other. Its a great contrast to Sona's family where even the most absurd issues are discussed openly with the family accepting each other's idiosyncrasies. In Dev's case, he's too determined to take care of everyone to even address his needs to himself. Neha, even though she is vocal about her pain, everyone just reads it as resentment, jealousy and bitterness without really understanding her real problem. The Dixits just end up suffering alone, unable to see that only by truly connecting with each other, can they let go of everything that haunts them. I really hope we get to see their issues getting resolved instead of being swept under the rug or getting solved in one episode in traditonal Indian TV style!


The Khatri angle would be awesome in so many ways. Not only would it challenge the relationship between Dev and Ishwari, but would finally allow Ishwari to see how strong and capable an ally Neha is. A real Neha-Ishwari relationship would unite the family that has thus far been divided by the insular bond between Ishwari and Dev. Ishwari taking comfort in all her children would give Dev more breathing room to guiltlessly pursue his own desires. Word to this! I have nothing more to add here :)


Here's to new frontiers of long and rambly! 👍🏼😆 Right back at ya! 😆

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: mayu1982

The biggest confusion in my life is to compare between - episode and your( Sam ) analysis ..

How you guys do it ??

No am seriously asking it..

Loved reading your in depth analysis. 👏👏👏


After watching every episode , am searching for your and sams post .


One small request - even i am big fan of your VM .. Still remembered Dev-Sona vm from Sona point of view. I dying to see your version in terms of VM for confession/romantic scene of Dev- Sona.

Hope am not too greedy and demanding..


Hahaha thank you! So sweet of you to say that 🤗 Hahaha don't worry you are the not the first person who has asked me for a VM on Dev's realization/confession.. The pressure is getting very real now. 😆 Will try and post something soon! :)

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