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Posted: 16 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: estee


ever since heer accepted prem as her prem, she had never - not even once, i think? - doubted prem. but prem had gone through more than one instance when he had

  • kept things from heer - ''how he was dealing with veera/ratpal'' (the first time he promised never to keep anything from her), ''sanjana''
  • questioned heer and acted on that doubt - what nihaal had done to veera, going along with gaali-maa when she told prem to choose between heer and family (ie, her), that horribly public denouncement of what she thought was the purest thing she ever had to offer prem.

Ephteee hold on right there*holding Ephtee's hands and stopping before she signs off*šŸ˜†...I didn't get this point of yours and also about how Heer was the one who made Prem accept and do things about Prem-Heer are one...😲...do you mean to say Prem didn't believe in it???ermm...isn't he the one who kept saying physical togetherness is not what matters but what matters is that he and Heer are always together wherever they are...no??šŸ˜•...Just because Heer insisted that that he should live with her until he supposedly died...doesn't mean that she believed in the oneness anymore than Prem did...MHO...

And about the above points....Heer has hidden stuff from Prem time and again....She did not reveal about her real identity even after what all Prem went through to save her....She told Prem half truth about Veera-RR....And the infamous Sameer fiasco is still fresh right there which is the reason for their downfall and which she conviniently forgot all about....

Did you mean to say Prem has hidden stuff about Sanjana because he doubted Heer???😲...He clearly did not want to trouble her...But didn't he tell it all at the end??He has hidden it for what, 2 days???And I am yet to see you saying anything against Heer hiding stuff from Prem FOREVER and doing ridiculous things to hide them from him....Do you support the wives who hide things like this and at the end NOT even bother revealing them to their husbands???

and about Nihaal...did you say he asked her to go out of the house because he doubted Heer about siding Nihaal???😲...DID YOU JUST SAY THAT???😲...EEEEE...he asked her to go out simply to show his mom that even after Heer came into his life, he still values her word....and hence avert her hatred for Heer...And through out that phase he didn't behave like he doubted Heer or anything like that...did he??You lost me there

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Posted: 16 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: estee



ya. weird thing is -- that it's true even today, no??!

i mean, she won't live with him but she knows him so well to know exactly what he will do, how he will react, what will hurt him, what will make him smile about phukda -- everything.

she is obsessive. but she is also extremely strict with herself on the question of what she can give him today. and according to her, it's nothing that he would be willing to live with. 'cause apparently what she accepts as standards of love-life-and-trust is different from his?

heer... prem! seriously, these two are not for the world today! *sigh*



E...you are being seriously biased towards Heer...I am sorry to say this...but if Heer knew about Prem that well, she wouldn't go around to other people badmouthing and accusing him of the stuff that he didn't even do in the first place...

If her standards are so high, then how about going over what she herself did and repenting over it???Isn't she the reason behind this whole mess in the first place???šŸ˜•

You jump at Prem over little little things...but off late Heer said such gross things, but since the Sameer fiasco I am yet to see you saying a thing against her stupidity....If she told him about Sameer instead of leaving him there to his own fate, all this wouldn't have happened....You think Heer of Prem-Heer are one is capable of leaving Prem there and NOT go over even once about what she did and how badly it pushed Prem off his limits???

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Posted: 16 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: Soaps1

ummm sorry E i disagree from where i look at it Heer has never trusted Prem ... she never confided in him , she always trusted and confided in others ... during veera/RR thing she told Prem only the half truth (and trusted that dheer no. 2), sameer thing , manmeet thing, even veera/nehal thing ... she knew nehal and veera have a strained relationship even before that saree incident but she never bothered to share with Prem till it was too late ... and as for sanjana thing when Prem did try and tell her finally, she was the one who put her hand on his mouth saying she doesn't want to know anything

sure we can disagree -- i expect nothing else. šŸ˜†

i'm not sure where you (and a lot of others, i guess) and i see different things from the same story sometimes. but for me, it's always been heer showing a worshipful confidence in prem that i've always seen. heer's approach has always been like... me, on a big problem in life. i know i can go to mom and we can solve it together.

but i always try myself first. i don't go running to her at the first instance that a question/problem comes up. and sometimes, the whole thing becomes a mess. sometimes, i solve it.

not sure that this means i don't trust mom, i think?

in the case of prem, things like sanjana had to be things that he had to tell heer, no? especially when it was right in his face? and i disagree with you! (so there! 🤣) that prem tried to tell heer. he used to hang around looking mopey-eyed (and thoooooo huggable! šŸ˜†) her clearly wanting to tell her stuff. it was only at the very end, that it looked like he wanted to tell her -- and even if she hadn't stopped him, i'm not sure he would've told. 'cause he looked soooooooo happy when she hugged him and told him to take his time! it was like a burden had lifted from his shoulders. so... i think that heer's words soothed him more than stopped him on that issue.

the sanjana thing has always rankled at me 'cause it was 'cause of that gayatri-i'm-possessive-about-my-son-but-am-hiding-it-mom that he didn't tell heer immediately.

I know what is coming my way from you šŸ˜† but Heer is not that innocent and mahan as she is projected to be ...

i'm afraid that she is in the matter of loving prem, soaps. part of the reason that i'm w&w-ing with heavily thudding heart to find out how -- even this time -- she can beat all the standards of ''mahan and innocence'' that she has set for me. perhaps for a whole lot of us.

in a certain weird sense, she is an epitome-of-love, no? i'd like to love - anyone - like heer loves prem even today. and i'd never want to be in love with anyone like heer loves prem, even today.

she is so vulnerable -- i would never want to be as vulnerable as that. she is my titanium standard.

would that be close to a god, soaps? i want to know...

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Posted: 16 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: *Shifali*

^That was cus she wanted Prem to be happy. Prem loves his family and that is practically why Heer never told him anything. She atleast told him 'half the truth' cus she knows that if she told him all the truth, he would be depressed and worried, which she doesn't want. And for that, she can look bad infront of Prem, rather then see someone else look bad, esp if it comes to someone that she know Prem respects/loves.

If Heer is wrong, then Prem is wrong too. So we shouldn't only blame Heer for everything, esp keeping Chahat away from him cus Prem kicked Heer out for Veera and his family and he didn't trust her enough.
So both are wrong.



Shiffs, I am yet to find a person who says Prem didn;t err...Prem did mistakes and for that he is regretting...I am yet to see Heer feeling bad or even acknowledging what she did...Her holier than thou attitude is what irritates the heck out of people....

You know making mistakes is human and all of us do...apparently Prem and Heer are not an exception either....But the difference is Prem accepted his mistakes and is going through redemption....but Heer??I wish I could say the same about her....šŸ˜”

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Posted: 16 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: -athena-



Shiffs, I am yet to find a person who says Prem didn;t err...Prem did mistakes and for that he is regretting...I am yet to see Heer feeling bad or even acknowledging what she did...Her holier than thou attitude is what irritates the heck out of people....

You know making mistakes is human and all of us do...apparently Prem and Heer are not an exception either....But the difference is Prem accepted his mistakes and is going through redemption....but Heer??I wish I could say the same about her....šŸ˜”

Agreed that Heer doesn't feel bad for what she did ie keep Chahat away from Prem and all, and I know she should understand Prem and go back to him. Prem has realized his mistakes, she knows but still, does she have a guarantee of Prem will keep her happy like before? I dislike Heer's dialouges (Afternoon slot ruins it even more) but still she needs to make sure that even though Prem has realized he was wrong, she needs to make sure he would keep Chahat happy and not do what he did before like (trust breaking etc)
Heer should realize that Prem is human, not God as E said. So she should say sorry. Prem has paid enough price by staying away from Chahat and Heer for 6 years and living in solitude and she should forgive him but then again, they need to take vows of not breaking each other's trust and following through each other's pain like PH did when Desh started.
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Posted: 16 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: *Shifali*

If Heer is wrong, then Prem is wrong too. So we shouldn't only blame Heer for everything, esp keeping Chahat away from him cus Prem kicked Heer out for Veera and his family and he didn't trust her enough.
So both are wrong.



😲 He kicked Heer out for Veera and because he didn't trust her enough???😲

OMG....is this what you understood of Prem???šŸ˜•
😲

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Posted: 16 years ago
#47

Originally posted by: *Shifali*

Agreed that Heer doesn't feel bad for what she did ie keep Chahat away from Prem and all, and I know she should understand Prem and go back to him. Prem has realized his mistakes, she knows but still, does she have a guarantee of Prem will keep her happy like before? I dislike Heer's dialouges (Afternoon slot ruins it even more) but still she needs to make sure that even though Prem has realized he was wrong, she needs to make sure he would keep Chahat happy and not do what he did before like (trust breaking etc)
Heer should realize that Prem is human, not God as E said. So she should say sorry. Prem has paid enough price by staying away from Chahat and Heer for 6 years and living in solitude and she should forgive him but then again, they need to take vows of not breaking each other's trust and following through each other's pain like PH did when Desh started.



@Blue: Not only that...what about the main thing she did which drove the whole situation to this extent???What about realizing her part of the whole pre-leap fiasco and taking responsibility for it???šŸ˜•

@Red:Agree 100%...but personally to me, it can never be the same...Prem and Heer are ruined for me...The speciality of this show is them being perfect and above and beyond a regular couple...but they did everything and are still doing stuff that even an average Joe would never think of doing...🄱

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Posted: 16 years ago
#48


Agreed that Heer doesn't feel bad for what she did ie keep Chahat away from Prem and all, and I know she should understand Prem and go back to him. Prem has realized his mistakes, she knows but still, does she have a guarantee of Prem will keep her happy like before?I dislike Heer's dialouges (Afternoon slot ruins it even more) but still she needs to make sure that even though Prem has realized he was wrong, she needs to make sure he would keep Chahat happy and not do what he did before like (trust breaking etc)


Heer should realize that Prem is human, not God as E said. So she should say sorry. Prem has paid enough price by staying away from Chahat and Heer for 6 years and living in solitude and she should forgive him but then again, they need to take vows of not breaking each other's trust and following through each other's pain like PH did when Desh started.


Umm...Shifs do you mean to say Heer should forgive Prem or Prem should forgive Heer? Ermm.... šŸ˜•
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Posted: 16 years ago
#49
Well Shifali I think you said it when you said that Heer thought of Prem as God. I think more than anything, why she can't just simply forgive him is because she's still coming to the terms that Prem is afterall not a God and he can make mistakes too.

I am not saying, it is only Prem that made mistakes, Heer did too but what broke their relationship was the whole Ashlesha thing. Remember even after Prem insulted Heer in front of everyone, Heer was about to leave but after what Bauji said to her, she forgot about it all and went out of her way to clear the things up and live happily ever after with Prem. She was willing to forget his insults maybe because she knew she was wrong too but what Prem did, I guess she can never forgive that.

And as for trust and whatnot, how many times Prem and Heer have said it to eachother that they lack trust in eachother. During the whole Veera/Rishabh thing (when Veera tried to commit suicide) and during the whole Sanjana thing and many other times. I think even though they both love eachother unconditionally and practially worship eachother, their trust was not that strong and that is prove by the points that both sides of the argument have put up.
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Posted: 16 years ago
#50
Never mind Shifs. Understood what you were saying now. lol. Yeah, she should forgive Prem for the 'mistake' he did. But more then that, I want Prem to forgive Heer this time.

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