Epi Discussions #2: 4th - 8th May - Page 12

Originally posted by: lghosh

Raksha,

I wrote a long post & before clicking the update post tab I accidentally hit the refresh button & all went out the window! Feel like killing myself. 😡
Oh dear...I know how frustrating that must be....

Anyway yeah read ur post but I have mixed emotions about this, maybe because of the positive vibes I got & felt the dosage of after reading & writing all the positive posts in the morning as well. 😃
Shucks...I hope my post doesn't create any negativity, because clearly that wasn't my intention....

About Heer I was thinking for the past 2 days after observing her, there were many instances when many people wrote they can't understand Heer's reactions now. She is very fast changing from anger to being hurt to crying in her agony & she is justified in her state of mind. She is feeling insecure because the person for whom she waited all her life & finally saw her love reciprocated which went through hurdles & turmoils of its own but finally ended in a dramatic wedding. Her belief in her love & fate went from 1-10 if u consider the gradation of her faith. And finally when the love reached the ultimate culmination, that very night she was thrown out by that very same love of her life, something unthinkable & unfathomable even to a lay person forget Heer. So right now she needs the physical assurance & reassurance from Prem to instill the belief she had before. I am not saying she is doubting Prem about his love for her, that she knows is there & will be there for ever but she needs the pledge from Prem that he will be there physically for her all throughout her life standing next to her. I deciphered this after watching her flashbacks y'day. She was reminiscing about the moments when Prem came to her rescue shielding her with his promises & braving the world himself on her behalf.
With you on this....Thank you for translating my thoughts into words....

My point here is Prem sees her tears & understands her mental state but is not wiping her tears because he doesn't have the courage to wipe & walk away after that! He too wants to be there next to her permanently to see her through all highs & lows! Its the same battle he is having within to be there with her but unable to because of his mom's orders & ultimatum. He knows what Heer is going through right now, how insecure & hurt she is feeling but if he does something for her then that will weaken him & he will be unable to keep his mother's words.
Agreed!!!!

Well why he is following G3's orders when he himself knows she is wrong? Raksha when do u think Prem ever went against his parents? Last time with Ash he would have married her if she didn't reject him. Irrespective of being in love he would have followed Lalit's orders. Lalit threw him out & so he left with Heer or else I don't think he would have left at all.
This is where I have to differ with you slightly...Eventhough he was going ahead with that marriage, he didn't make any false pretenses of loving Ash and all that crap and told it like it is to Lalit...Lalit even demanded a guarantee from him which he outrightly refused to give...Which means, he clearly put his foot down against the wrong and false things...He made it very clear to his dad and Ash that he would be going ahead with this marriage, but he will NEVER be able to love her as his heart belongs somewhere and will be there for life...If he did the same thing here as well...that is stand up for Heer and remind G3 of all the things that she did for their family etc and make it very clear to her that he would still be choosing her against Heer...I would've no qualms in siding Prem 100%....Here I see Prem succumbing to the wrong...

So similarly same scenario is now to be seen where his respect, love, gratitude, sense of debt is doubly reinforced becoz its G3 who brought him up as her own son, made him strong, confident, physically capable as well & is now asking for a payback! Even after knowing everything he can't go against the words of his mom.
Does he really believe that he can ever pay back all that??Its quite disappointing to think that he was looking to pay back all that...I really hope that its not the case...You know I really want his perspective on this, just like Kul Di's....I hope they give let us into one of his monologues on this...Him wondering to himself as to how and why G3 is behaving this way and how is it every possible to prove his love to her, let alone pay back all that she ever did to him...

Do u think he didn't know throwing Heer out middle of the night that he was doing wrong? He was just being in that eternal sandwiched situation of any guy after marriage & we r talking about Prem here whose life & god is G3.
Agreed!!!...I have no doubts about his feeling sandwiched and stuff and feeling all bad and wrong about his act...However, I refuse to believe that this was the only way to do it...He was the one who told Heer about sharing everything...He considers Heer as one with him....She shared with him about his whole GS BS...couldn't he have shared with her about this as well???Is it necessary to alienate her when he got this problem???Is that what he means by sharing EVERYTHING??I don't see that oneness from his side in this aspect...So tomorw can he live with Heer keeping some of her problems to herself???😕

U know if I didn't watch from Fri till today I wouldn't have understood Prem, even I would be accusing him but now we r getting a better perspective about Prem when we r hearing it from himself. U know they took Prem down to such an extent that it looked impossible to bring him back to his old self. I didn't think they would be able to redeem him ever. But maybe after our protests & several posts they realised what Prem means to us & finally r trying to turn him around. So I am thankful to them for that. They can't mend all wrongs overnight so I would give them some time to finally bring Prem around to his full self or even the 18th June Prem. He has to be pushed further by G3 to finally explode, he is still not in that position of between a rock & a hard place yet, once they show him pushed to that extent then we will see the revolution from him. So till then I will w&w. And if before all this G3 herself realises her fault & ask for forgiveness then we will never see this side of Prem at all. But with the positivity dose I will just give them another chance, actually can't do anything other than that. If we could write off entire GS track along with Prem's ML or FML as a blooper then this also I will wait to see how & what they unfold now & how do they redeem Prem!

Lana...frankly, I didn't get anything more from the past 4epis than what I already got...I am only thankful to them for NOT butchering his character further...But what they did on Wednesday and before that, still stays as a sore thumb in all this...and I doubt if they will ever be able to redeem that...Because for crying out loud, he made not one but three three blunders(did not trust Heer, threw her out, screamed at her in front of the others)...However,I am willing to write all this off for my own sanity sakes...that is, if they give me my Prem back....And they are YET to do that...

And now about that dialog u know I for one liked it. It depicted a sense of belonging! He meant here, no matter what happened, how much a couple doesn't see eye to an eye & live separately but after marriage with responsibility their actions ought to be responsible as well. Afterall a person belong to him/her with whom they get married! I found this very true. If he meant Meet then obviously its very apt. Preet didn't marry Ash, Meher didn't marry Harman but now that they r married to each other they belong to the other no matter what & ought to act accordingly!!! And if he is referring to himself then too its true, no matter what he does or say to Heer, no matter whether he chooses G3 over Heer but the fact is they r married & thus will belong to each other & nobody can change that fact. So he is trying to imply the oneness here, atleast I felt it, he belongs to her & she to him, period!

And when u were referring to the hypothetical situation of his belonging to Ash if he ever was married to her, well frankly I think he would have yes, even if he loved Heer eternally!
See this is what I said...So is his commitment to Heer is just as much as it would've been to anyone else that he would've married???What if he was never married to Heer??Would he let her go then??My point is....this marriage dialog does not fit their situation...And may be I shld just let it be for Meet...

Remember how he told G3 that he will try to be a good pati & pita after his marriage whereas Heer will be a good wife & mom to her respective family. Once marriage takes place the equation changes & that is what is referred here I think.

But I liked it when he said that looking at her indicating he will always be hers no matter what happened & vice versa!
But he also said they will live as 'zinda lashes'.......again another point supporting my argument that this dialog is so out of place if he was referring to themselves...

And they being normal, nahhh, don't think it will ever happen. Remember weeks back I said this, why can't they behave like a normal couple for a change & u only said they r this ethereal surreal couple who is over & above any normal couple. Same thing is applicable now as well! And to tell u the fact when they try to act normal being all lovey dovey somewhere they lose it & what we get again becomes unabe to relate with, unreadable, unrecognisable! Prem acting restless like a jumping jack riding on hormones & Heer all acting like a siren! Atleast now I can see my old Premeer with their basic characteristics intact & I can relate to them, understand them, recognise & connect to them. So I had much rather they remain this way than change.
Hahaha, well...that was just my frustration finding its own voice....What I really meant was, them spending some time without any of these larger than life problems....🥱

So there u go my entire thesis, if u have not already fallen asleep! 😆😆No way....loved every word of it...Pleeeease😲

Guess that post of urs being positive worked wonders! 😆
I am glad then..😳

Originally posted by: lghosh

I know the way they keep bouncing up & down, 😆😆😆 when the car moves people move sideways not bounce up & down unless they r going through potholes.

Originally posted by: sidd11

hello lufos!

i woke up this morning singing....OOOO RABBAAA and spinning! ! 🤣🤣🤣...the song is soo catchy!

Originally posted by: lghosh

Raksha again look at the equation here! Last time when he revolted it was against Lalit, his own dad & here its G3, his stepmom who gave him another life, that gratitude & debt is way too much heavy in comparison here. When u have some1 of ur own u can afford to take chances but when it comes to some1 whom u consider ur own & worship as God the equation changes.
So Prem made a difference between his own and those who he 'considers' as his own?? Which means to him G3 is lesser than his own??That is Lalit and Heer??

Why do u think he can afford to be like this tough person with no heart with Heer? Because he knows no matter what she is his own, they belong to each other, they r 1 in his heart & mind & soul. He can hurt Heer because in the end they r 1 & yet he knows no matter how hurt she is she will always understand him whereas with G3 mom he has to prove himself as her son with his love & devotion & actions. He doesn't need to prove himself or of his feelings to Heer.
So what if he was asked to do this again and again???What is the guarantee tomorw Lalit or someone else wont ask him to prove himself to them by choosing them against Heer??Where does Heer stand in all this???

U know if it was a normal girl other than Heer she would have shown him the door but Heer being her, the other half of Prem will accept & understand Prem like no one else. She will be upset, insecure but nevertheless will never doubt him & will take him back. That is the basic difference I guess. As we were discussing y'day its not easy to live with a guy like Prem.
Somehow this whole track doesn't make sense to me Lana....We (me included!) are trying our level best to justify Prem's stand...but the thing is, what if this situation repeats again and again???If he considers her equal to him, then why was he still at the Jhouse??What if there was no Nihaal in Heer's life???

Raksha what I meant was G3 was asking for a payback not Prem wanting to give her one. She is asking or rather demanding him to show his love & dedication & allegiance to her & he is just helplessly complying. But everything has a stagnation point & I am positive there will be a point when he won't be able to take it anymore & he will revolt, he will explode!! Waiting for that day! Then he will point out what Heer did for the family & how she was treated by her for that in return!

You know what Lana...I don't ever see Prem exploding against G3...that would be soo unpremish..no?....I somehow see this as a deadlock situation....Prem lost a precious moment when G3 asked him to make this choice...He should've told her in a polite manner, how Heer did so much for the family and how it wld be so unfair to insult her that way....He should've politely folded his hands in front of her or fell on her feet and asked why she was doing this to Heer.....(I seem him doing this eventually by the end of this horrid track..)

At times I wonder these 2, specially Heer, is master in playing the sleuth, then why aren't they doing something to get to the bottom of this to expose Veera & sort out everything? Just go to the doctor's office tell her everything, if required beg, borrow or steal but get the copy of the abortion report to the family to prove Nihaal's & her innocence in this regard. Such a logical conclusion & yet they r dragging it.
Tell me about it!!!!...More than Heer, Prem has been such a succesful detective during Manmeet's case...don't know what happened to his instincts....🥱

U know I can't imagine Prem exposing G3 like that with her true colors to Heer, if he does then it won't be Prem, he will cease to exist. He can never bring out G3's darker side even if its to Heer & he will have to do this if he let her in on the true scenario. He knows Heer will come to know afterall Preet or Meher might have told her but he himself won't do it. It is not about any1 else in the family, not some stranger but again G3 we r talking about. And they speak without uttering words, so what he intends to tell her she already grasped it. Frankly I would have been surprised if he had told her everything how G3 gave him an ultimatum asking him to prove his love by choosing either Heer or her. He can give hint or indicate but not come out directly with it. And the BT leads hold a special degree in hiding stuff keeping it a secret including our couple here. But the way he spoke to her today I think he said enough for her to understand where he is coming from.
I think our couple are wayyy better than the other BT couples who are masters at hiding stuff away from eachother...In fact these two never really played such hide and seek games with eachother(of course minusing that GS horrid track)...No...again I am very well aware of how Prem goes about his things....I know he would never short sell his mother infront his wife...But there has to be a better way than this yaar...I cannot tell what, but what he did now is not Prem either....😕

Raksha on the contrary I thought for the first time we r getting to see Prem's POV here for the last 3 episodes. They (I mean the new creatives) never do this & very conveniently skip & omit Prem's battle with himself, his POV but atleast they r making an effort. Again maybe because we have complained time without number about this & they finally heeding to it. His speech to Preet on Friday, the discussions they r having on behalf of Meet indirectly talking about themselves, their situations, his openly saying he is lacking the courage to step forward to her rescue because he knows if he does he won't be able to retreat again & if he doesn't he will be disobeying his mom here. I heard & saw a lot from Prem & that helped me understand him a little better.
Lana...all the things that Prem kepts saying for the past couple of epis, aren't these the very things we said to eachother at the onset of this track???

But the things u said, is unforgivable & they have yet to atone him fully in our eyes. And if they think just showing his remorse or these indirect conversations they r able to redeem him then they r absolutely wrong. They definitely have to do more, not only redeem but resurrect him as well in our eyes. So will wait for that day. Hope they have got this much now that we want to see Prem intact back to his original righteous & virtuous self.
Yes, there you go...This is exactly what even I am waiting for to be shown...I don't know how they will do it, but I WANT them to atone Prem....Otherwise, I have feeling ke there is going to be many more instances in the future where we will not be able to stomach what he did and eventually we will have to either compromise on our perfect Prem (by repeatedly writing off the stuff, that's what we woudl be doing) or just quit the show...no?

Raksha I think even if Prem wasn't married to Heer & to some1 else or Ash for that matter, he would be exactly that, a 'zinda laash', but whatever the situation he never would have compromised his position as a husband in anyway whatsoever. He never would have neglected any responsibility towards Ash as her husband. That is Prem, we might not like this but knowing him I think he would have fulfilled his duty perfectly to the T even when his heart belonged to Heer, even when his family & wife was aware of this. He wouldn't have lied about this but nevertheless he wouldn't have disrespected his wife because he knows he is married to her & no matter what he belongs to her. I can so see Prem like this & this belonging is exactly what he spoke about here.
Haha...but my point is Lana...whether they were married or not, he already belongs to her...if it was just a mere marital relationship, then he wouldn't have taken her for granted like that....He sees more than a mere man made relationship there....ummm...I don't know how else to explain...Please check my reply to Soaps above...

Ah don't we all wish so? 😃 Some normal light hearted moments between them instead of solving other's issues or themselves suffering & crying away? But as long as we can have these normal situations of them as being this Premeer themselves I am fine. I don't like the characters they adopt when they try to be normal, they look the same but act like strangers.
Show them picking there nose for all I care..er..may not be literally😆...but for goodness sakes give them some time to dry up their cheeks and refill their tear glands for the next stupid cryfest...🥱😆

Oh it felt so good to write & have a chat with u. 😃 Seriously brought more understanding of the situation. Everytime I wonder if only I devoted half as much time on myself or studies back home....!!!!😃😃 Nobody could have stopped my distinction. Hey don't u think we deserve a honorary doctorate here??? 😆

Hahaha...yesss...by being a part of this show we have already won the special honorary doctorates...Otherwise who else will purposefully subject themselves to a show which has given nothing but misery all the time....😆...

Yes Lana...really enjoyed debating and discussing this topic with you...This is the reason I started it in the first place...Just to see various view points you know...😳

Originally posted by: sidd11

hello lufos!

i woke up this morning singing....OOOO RABBAAA and spinning! ! 🤣🤣🤣...the song is soo catchy!