Epi Discussions #2: 4th - 8th May - Page 13

Originally posted by: sidd11

yes i did *hides muh* 😳

complete with jugni's tumkaas and hand raised in the air spinning! 🤣

Originally posted by: -athena-

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Ohhhh rabbbaaaaa....how are you Sidd...good morning😃

Originally posted by: -athena-

@Skstar: Hii you seem to be a new member...Welcome abaord!😃

Lana, Sidd and everyone else....its wayy past my bed time...I will go now.🥱...Good night Lana and have a great day Sidd....

Originally posted by: lghosh

This is where I have to differ with you slightly...Eventhough he was going ahead with that marriage, he didn't make any false pretenses of loving Ash and all that crap and told it like it is to Lalit...Lalit even demanded a guarantee from him which he outrightly refused to give...Which means, he clearly put his foot down against the wrong and false things...He made it very clear to his dad and Ash that he would be going ahead with this marriage, but he will NEVER be able to love her as his heart belongs somewhere and will be there for life...If he did the same thing here as well...that is stand up for Heer and remind G3 of all the things that she did for their family etc and make it very clear to her that he would still be choosing her against Heer...I would've no qualms in siding Prem 100%....Here I see Prem succumbing to the wrong...

Raksha again look at the equation here! Last time when he revolted it was against Lalit, his own dad & here its G3, his stepmom who gave him another life, that gratitude & debt is way too much heavy in comparison here. When u have some1 of ur own u can afford to take chances but when it comes to some1 whom u consider ur own & worship as God the equation changes. Why do u think he can afford to be like this tough person with no heart with Heer? Because he knows no matter what she is his own, they belong to each other, they r 1 in his heart & mind & soul. He can hurt Heer because in the end they r 1 & yet he knows no matter how hurt she is she will always understand him whereas with G3 mom he has to prove himself as her son with his love & devotion & actions. He doesn't need to prove himself or of his feelings to Heer.

U know if it was a normal girl other than Heer she would have shown him the door but Heer being her, the other half of Prem will accept & understand Prem like no one else. She will be upset, insecure but nevertheless will never doubt him & will take him back. That is the basic difference I guess. As we were discussing y'day its not easy to live with a guy like Prem.

Does he really believe that he can ever pay back all that??Its quite disappointing to think that he was looking to pay back all that...I really hope that its not the case...You know I really want his perspective on this, just like Kul Di's....I hope they give let us into one of his monologues on this...Him wondering to himself as to how and why G3 is behaving this way and how is it every possible to prove his love to her, let alone pay back all that she ever did to him...

Raksha what I meant was G3 was asking for a payback not Prem wanting to give her one. She is asking or rather demanding him to show his love & dedication & allegiance to her & he is just helplessly complying. But everything has a stagnation point & I am positive there will be a point when he won't be able to take it anymore & he will revolt, he will explode!! Waiting for that day! Then he will point out what Heer did for the family & how she was treated by her for that in return!

At times I wonder these 2, specially Heer, is master in playing the sleuth, then why aren't they doing something to get to the bottom of this to expose Veera & sort out everything? Just go to the doctor's office tell her everything, if required beg, borrow or steal but get the copy of the abortion report to the family to prove Nihaal's & her innocence in this regard. Such a logical conclusion & yet they r dragging it.

Agreed!!!...I have no doubts about his feeling sandwiched and stuff and feeling all bad and wrong about his act...However, I refuse to believe that this was the only way to do it...He was the one who told Heer about sharing everything...He considers Heer as one with him....She shared with him about his whole GS BS...couldn't he have shared with her about this as well???Is it necessary to alienate her when he got this problem???Is that what he means by sharing EVERYTHING??I don't see that oneness from his side in this aspect...So tomorw can he live with Heer keeping some of her problems to herself???😕

U know I can't imagine Prem exposing G3 like that with her true colors to Heer, if he does then it won't be Prem, he will cease to exist. He can never bring out G3's darker side even if its to Heer & he will have to do this if he let her in on the true scenario. He knows Heer will come to know afterall Preet or Meher might have told her but he himself won't do it. It is not about any1 else in the family, not some stranger but again G3 we r talking about. And they speak without uttering words, so what he intends to tell her she already grasped it. Frankly I would have been surprised if he had told her everything how G3 gave him an ultimatum asking him to prove his love by choosing either Heer or her. He can give hint or indicate but not come out directly with it. And the BT leads hold a special degree in hiding stuff keeping it a secret including our couple here. But the way he spoke to her today I think he said enough for her to understand where he is coming from.

Lana...frankly, I didn't get anything more from the past 4epis than what I already got...I am only thankful to them for NOT butchering his character further...But what they did on Wednesday and before that, still stays as a sore thumb in all this...and I doubt if they will ever be able to redeem that...Because for crying out loud, he made not one but three three blunders(did not trust Heer, threw her out, screamed at her in front of the others)...However,I am willing to write all this off for my own sanity sakes...that is, if they give me my Prem back....And they are YET to do that...

Raksha on the contrary I thought for the first time we r getting to see Prem's POV here for the last 3 episodes. They (I mean the new creatives) never do this & very conveniently skip & omit Prem's battle with himself, his POV but atleast they r making an effort. Again maybe because we have complained time without number about this & they finally heeding to it. His speech to Preet on Friday, the discussions they r having on behalf of Meet indirectly talking about themselves, their situations, his openly saying he is lacking the courage to step forward to her rescue because he knows if he does he won't be able to retreat again & if he doesn't he will be disobeying his mom here. I heard & saw a lot from Prem & that helped me understand him a little better.

But the things u said, is unforgivable & they have yet to atone him fully in our eyes. And if they think just showing his remorse or these indirect conversations they r able to redeem him then they r absolutely wrong. They definitely have to do more, not only redeem but resurrect him as well in our eyes. So will wait for that day. Hope they have got this much now that we want to see Prem intact back to his original righteous & virtuous self.

See this is what I said...So is his commitment to Heer is just as much as it would've been to anyone else that he would've married???What if he was never married to Heer??Would he let her go then??My point is....this marriage dialog does not fit their situation...And may be I shld just let it be for Meet...
But he also said they will live as 'zinda lashes'.......again another point supporting my argument that this dialog is so out of place if he was referring to themselves...

Raksha I think even if Prem wasn't married to Heer & to some1 else or Ash for that matter, he would be exactly that, a 'zinda laash', but whatever the situation he never would have compromised his position as a husband in anyway whatsoever. He never would have neglected any responsibility towards Ash as her husband. That is Prem, we might not like this but knowing him I think he would have fulfilled his duty perfectly to the T even when his heart belonged to Heer, even when his family & wife was aware of this. He wouldn't have lied about this but nevertheless he wouldn't have disrespected his wife because he knows he is married to her & no matter what he belongs to her. I can so see Prem like this & this belonging is exactly what he spoke about here.

Hahaha, well...that was just my frustration finding its own voice....What I really meant was, them spending some time without any of these larger than life problems....🥱

Ah don't we all wish so? 😃 Some normal light hearted moments between them instead of solving other's issues or themselves suffering & crying away? But as long as we can have these normal situations of them as being this Premeer themselves I am fine. I don't like the characters they adopt when they try to be normal, they look the same but act like strangers.

Oh it felt so good to write & have a chat with u. 😃 Seriously brought more understanding of the situation. Everytime I wonder if only I devoted half as much time on myself or studies back home....!!!!😃😃 Nobody could have stopped my distinction. Hey don't u think we deserve a honorary doctorate here??? 😆

Originally posted by: shantaus

Rakha, I do agree with you 100%. I posted same thing in other thread. Today episode left me emotion which piercing my heart with 1000 volts sparks. It was so good that it was more than real. I do believe even though these relations are rare but do exist. We can only thank god for gifting us the human beings with so such wonderful things. Just that it gets little over doses, especially when AG and HC bring it to life for us. I know these eternal couple also lead daily life, we want to experience it. Even I want to see Heer cook and server Prem. Ask him to taste her preparation in b/w cooking, going to shopping or even walk together. Taking care of small household thing together. It has been while they been to shiv mandhir, may take trip.

May be watch a move together.

As much as BS we give it to the BT creatives on this show, I really feel they have very tough job with this track. Most challenging of all the tracks so far!! They to do a very delicate job of satisfying the entertainment aspect of the show while keeping our dear PREM intact.

I sued to be silent reader. But I could help but response to this thread.

KDM rocks !! I simple love this show!! It is truly a eternal love story

Originally posted by: -athena-

Shanta(?)...yes this is a very delicate track...to my mind this is actually a very silly track...totally nonsensical and uselessand pointless...Where death couldn't achieve , an evil duo was able to....they were able to create disturbances and bring upon them more misery than death....I would've loved it had they shown how the whole evil plan fell apart because of the unity of Premeer....

Anyways...I hope you didn't get bored with this debate...

Welcome to the EDT btw....

Good day if you are not in the US/Canada...otherwise goodnight!😃

Originally posted by: -athena-

Soaps...I would like you to point to the line where I was expressing negativity...😕...I thought I clearly mentioned I was merely pointing out at the inappropriateness of that particular dialog...And I don't think debating about the story is spreading negativity...spreading negativity is making dire predictions and speculating about the impending horrible twists....Let me know if there is any other definition...😆

Originally posted by: lghosh

Raksha,

I wrote a long post & before clicking the update post tab I accidentally hit the refresh button & all went out the window! Feel like killing myself. 😡

Anyway yeah read ur post but I have mixed emotions about this, maybe because of the positive vibes I got & felt the dosage of after reading & writing all the positive posts in the morning as well. 😃

About Heer I was thinking for the past 2 days after observing her, there were many instances when many people wrote they can't understand Heer's reactions now. She is very fast changing from anger to being hurt to crying in her agony & she is justified in her state of mind. She is feeling insecure because the person for whom she waited all her life & finally saw her love reciprocated which went through hurdles & turmoils of its own but finally ended in a dramatic wedding. Her belief in her love & fate went from 1-10 if u consider the gradation of her faith. And finally when the love reached the ultimate culmination, that very night she was thrown out by that very same love of her life, something unthinkable & unfathomable even to a lay person forget Heer. So right now she needs the physical assurance & reassurance from Prem to instill the belief she had before. I am not saying she is doubting Prem about his love for her, that she knows is there & will be there for ever but she needs the pledge from Prem that he will be there physically for her all throughout her life standing next to her. I deciphered this after watching her flashbacks y'day. She was reminiscing about the moments when Prem came to her rescue shielding her with his promises & braving the world himself on her behalf.

My point here is Prem sees her tears & understands her mental state but is not wiping her tears because he doesn't have the courage to wipe & walk away after that! He too wants to be there next to her permanently to see her through all highs & lows! Its the same battle he is having within to be there with her but unable to because of his mom's orders & ultimatum. He knows what Heer is going through right now, how insecure & hurt she is feeling but if he does something for her then that will weaken him & he will be unable to keep his mother's words.

Well why he is following G3's orders when he himself knows she is wrong? Raksha when do u think Prem ever went against his parents? Last time with Ash he would have married her if she didn't reject him. Irrespective of being in love he would have followed Lalit's orders. Lalit threw him out & so he left with Heer or else I don't think he would have left at all. So similarly same scenario is now to be seen where his respect, love, gratitude, sense of debt is doubly reinforced becoz its G3 who brought him up as her own son, made him strong, confident, physically capable as well & is now asking for a payback! Even after knowing everything he can't go against the words of his mom. Do u think he didn't know throwing Heer out middle of the night that he was doing wrong? He was just being in that eternal sandwiched situation of any guy after marriage & we r talking about Prem here whose life & god is G3.

U know if I didn't watch from Fri till today I wouldn't have understood Prem, even I would be accusing him but now we r getting a better perspective about Prem when we r hearing it from himself. U know they took Prem down to such an extent that it looked impossible to bring him back to his old self. I didn't think they would be able to redeem him ever. But maybe after our protests & several posts they realised what Prem means to us & finally r trying to turn him around. So I am thankful to them for that. They can't mend all wrongs overnight so I would give them some time to finally bring Prem around to his full self or even the 18th June Prem. He has to be pushed further by G3 to finally explode, he is still not in that position of between a rock & a hard place yet, once they show him pushed to that extent then we will see the revolution from him. So till then I will w&w. And if before all this G3 herself realises her fault & ask for forgiveness then we will never see this side of Prem at all. But with the positivity dose I will just give them another chance, actually can't do anything other than that. If we could write off entire GS track along with Prem's ML or FML as a blooper then this also I will wait to see how & what they unfold now & how do they redeem Prem!

And now about that dialog u know I for one liked it. It depicted a sense of belonging! He meant here, no matter what happened, how much a couple doesn't see eye to an eye & live separately but after marriage with responsibility their actions ought to be responsible as well. Afterall a person belong to him/her with whom they get married! I found this very true. If he meant Meet then obviously its very apt. Preet didn't marry Ash, Meher didn't marry Harman but now that they r married to each other they belong to the other no matter what & ought to act accordingly!!! And if he is referring to himself then too its true, no matter what he does or say to Heer, no matter whether he chooses G3 over Heer but the fact is they r married & thus will belong to each other & nobody can change that fact. So he is trying to imply the oneness here, atleast I felt it, he belongs to her & she to him, period!

And when u were referring to the hypothetical situation of his belonging to Ash if he ever was married to her, well frankly I think he would have yes, even if he loved Heer eternally! Remember how he told G3 that he will try to be a good pati & pita after his marriage whereas Heer will be a good wife & mom to her respective family. Once marriage takes place the equation changes & that is what is referred here I think.

But I liked it when he said that looking at her indicating he will always be hers no matter what happened & vice versa!

And they being normal, nahhh, don't think it will ever happen. Remember weeks back I said this, why can't they behave like a normal couple for a change & u only said they r this ethereal surreal couple who is over & above any normal couple. Same thing is applicable now as well! And to tell u the fact when they try to act normal being all lovey dovey somewhere they lose it & what we get again becomes unabe to relate with, unreadable, unrecognisable! Prem acting restless like a jumping jack riding on hormones & Heer all acting like a siren! Atleast now I can see my old Premeer with their basic characteristics intact & I can relate to them, understand them, recognise & connect to them. So I had much rather they remain this way than change.

So there u go my entire thesis, if u have not already fallen asleep! 😆😆 Guess that post of urs being positive worked wonders! 😆