Kayamath Episode Discussions Part 2 - Page 32

Ryks yaar...tum toh bura maan gaye. Chalta hai. You have the right as a Vanraj fan. Lekin to make thing clear. I was not upset because it was Sallu playing the character of Sameer and he got the worser end of the deal. I was feeling bad for Sameer. Yes i do like SK but no to the extent that I would force myself not to listen to the beautiful songs of HDDS. Trust me i fell in love with each and every song of that movie while watching it the first time. I know the words and every frame for each word. I didn't have to watch it multiple times to register in my head. That is how engrossed i was in that movie. And especially when its a SLB movie i expected great things from it...cause Khamoshi is one of my all time favorite Hindi moives. I love SLB's sense of movie making...but the ending of HDDS just lacked the finesse that i expected. I'll explain a little later.

As for Sameer...yes he was a prankster but he def wasn't someone who took life less seriously. The guy had to joke around to hide his inner pains...of loosing a father. That pain in him was evident in the beginning when he looks up at the sky to constantly speak to his father. People sometimes do that...pretend to not take things seriously because when they do their inner torments don't let them live as a normal human being. He didn't go to Italy and wait for Nandini there like you said. He tried to contact her thru letters to tell her that even tho he left he can't be without her and asked her to come with him...but it was her servant who hid those letters from her and without any news of Sameer...she married Vanraj. Then not knowing that she married someone else he still lived in his misery even back in Italy. The pain he was in came through when he was telling him mom about Nandini. You know what remained with me...when he said that tears were rolling down Nandini's frozen face as he was leaving and at that time he just wanted to kill her father. I was too much engulfed in Sameer's pain to notice what Nandini was going through.

I loved Vanraj's character too. He is the kind guy any girl (no matter how vain) would want as a husband. I was not at all angry that Nandini went back to Vanraj. She should have. That was the thing to do. But i just wasn't convinced by the climax, the dialogs, the execution were not convincing enough that Nandini was going back for love. Besides that i just wanted to kill Nandini...for she gave hopes to a guy who had no hope of getting her back at all then took it all back to crush his heart a second time. If i go by what you are saying she was having second thought long before she went to meet Sameer at his house and told his mom who she is. Knowing that she is confused herself...she should have taken the time to sort through her intentions. And when Sameer was telling her to go back to Vanraj..he said "don't look at me like that...you'll fall in love again" And then when she left...he looks up and cribs about his fate...and just asks for one thing...."can i get a hug"...i just wanted to jump into the screen and hug him (Sameer not Sallu).

I can understand that you guys here are all big fan of Vanraj and Nandini and i won't say anything more. But that at the end of the movie my heart was happy for Vanraj and crying for Sameer. The crying part was a little (maybe a lot) stronger than the happy part and therefore, my avoidance of the movie so far. I can't even look at a poster of that movie without feeling a pinch in my heart. And i don't need to watch it again to put myself through that. I remember the dialogs very clearly after what like 8-9 yrs. And i watched it only once...so you can imagine what impact that movie made on me. I was seriously depressed for months.

As for Milind being like Vanraj.......NO WAY!!!!! I don't see any similarity in HDDS and Kayamath. Prachi had moved on in life when she married Milind. She was not stuck in a rut like Nandini. It was Milsi who was still not over his love. Milind is a great guy and so is Vanraj. They are both awesome characters and thats all the similarities they have. They are two different personas and that is the fact. I love Vanraj and I love Milind. But they are not similar in character at all. They both love their wife but that does not warrant a similarity in character or personalities. Vanraj was struck by Nandini's beauty when he first met her and loved her after they married. Milsi cared two hoots about Prachi's beauty and loves her now because she is a beautiful person. He loves her character. Prachi started the marriage saying "i will be a dutiful wife" cause at that time she wasn't in love with her husband. But she fell for him when she realized that beyond the rough, animal like exterior is a guy with the most softest heart that has the potential to hold immense love for her. She respects and fell in love with his character. Thats what i want for Michi. Their love to be true for each other's characters and not out of a sense that "he is my husband" and "she is my wife" therefore we should love each other. I know you are going to say that Vanraj and Nandu were not like that...but i really don't have the energy to argue anymore. 😕

JC
PS. if anyone wants to yell at me some more about this topic😆 plz feel free to IM me and lets not take up space on our precious ED thread to talk about HDDS.😃 Luv you all. Even those who don't agree with anything i said.😆

Sorry JC I know you said no more but I just have to insert this in. Thanks to Ryka's detailed explanation I remembered that I do know this movie, mwahahaha. It's Aishwara Rai and Salman Khan and Kajol's husband as the casts! (sorry for any spelling mistake). I actually watched it on TV looong time ago. Thanks to Kuch Kuch Hota Hai I was encouraged to watch it. And the most interesting part is that I remember clearly that they're splitting the movie into two parts, 2 hours on that day when I watched it and the rest 2 hours would be played one week after that. So after watching the half part, how could I wait for another week?! So I ran to Video Rental and rented the movie. And while watching I was hoping that she would fall for her husband (it's just much more romantic to me that way), and turned out she did, so I was happy and satisfied watching it. But I don't remember the songs at all (I remember all KKHH songs, though). The end.

Somewhat on thread's topic: I do think HDDCS differs from Michi (comparing title and a couple, hehe), essentially because in HDDCS the husband was in love with the girl when he first saw her, married her and found she's in love with another guy. He let her go, but she then realized she had fallen for him too thus they got together in the end. While Michi got married without any real feelings, and they fell for each other around the same time, which is more romantic to me personally:) It's just my view of it and this can't be included in JC&Ryka's interesting 'exchange of opinions' at all because obviously I am not attached to HDDCS enough to participate:)

@Krishna: How could you not cry together with me?! 😕 😆

@Petem: I don't understand Hindi but I agree with all the English parts, and Mills did look like a thief there! 😆 😆

Topic: I'm so loving the SS dance, it's my fav scene now (Oh I think I've said this before). Seriously Milind is just looking so delicious standing there with his sober smile and folded arms.. I so want to do something to him *stops*

@ JC -Darling...agree with you on this...HDDCS and Kayamath are not the same at all and nor is Milland , Vanraj...or Prachi Nadani....😃

Magno has given the explanation beautifully...😆

@Magno - 😆😆😆 Aww...sorry for not crying with you dear...😆but the problem is I donot cry easily....but my reaction to the whole episode was...and for spoling such a romantic scene it was this😡 and to the song being played on them was this 😳 Thus no time to cry...😆

Next time...I promise to give you company dear...but not by shedding tears....😭...but by providing you the shoulder to cry on and the tissues...😆

Originally posted by: Magno

Topic: I'm so loving the SS dance, it's my fav scene now (Oh I think I've said this before). Seriously Milind is just looking so delicious standing there with his sober smile and folded arms.. I so want to do something to him *stops*

😆 And...yes am with you completely...in what ever you wnated to do with Milland....😆 before you stopped...😆

Magnolia dear..what are you up to. hehe. 😆 You can share your thoughts freely. There is no limit to who can talk about HDDS. But thanx to you and Krishna for agreeing that Michi are not like Vanraj and Nandu. Thats all i really want to establish right now. I don't care to get the story straight for the movie. But Michi are not like the married couple in that movie...and i do love the songs in the movie if it didn't bring back bad memories for me. The songs touch your soul. But unfortunately they remind me of some very disturbing emotions too.

But i guess Michi are not just mine they belong to all their fans and if the majority of the fans wish for them to dance to HDDS then i have no say... *pouts* (oh how mature of me 😆)

But for the sake of friendships here...i'll share my pain of the songs with you.

My fav songs from this movie:
Tadap Tadap
fav line from this song: "Agar Mile Khuda To If i ever meet God
Poochhoonga Khudaya i will ask...Oh God..
Jism Mujhe Deke Mitti Ka When you gave me a body made of mud
Sheeshay Sa Dil Kyon Banaya they why make a heart made of glass
Aur Us Pe Diya Fitrat and top it with the character
Ke Woh Karta Hai Mohabbat of falling in love
Wah Re Wah Teri Kudrat" Strange is your nature

Jhonka hawa ka: love the entire song

Thats it. Does it matter that these two song both are sympathetic to Sameer. 😆 I like HDDS song too. The words are really really good. But the problem is that usually when i listen to any song being played on a tele couple i can seperate the song from the movie its from and see it freshly for the couple...not this one tho. The songs are too attached to the HDDS couples in my head. 😕 Can't help it.

@Krishna: Awww thank you dear... A shoulder to cry on will really be appreciated... 😆 As for joining me for what I want to do to the yummy... Do you think he can take both of us at the same time? 😃😆

@JC: hehe I know, but I do agree with you JC, I shouldn't add off topic posts too often:) I agree with you that Michi is different from Van-ni, but I agree to Ryka that they are in love with each other and not duty, dear...

Sorry JC, I don't understand the song thus can't comment but thank you for sharing 😳 I'll google to find translations, since these are famous songs, right...:)

Topic: Monday is so far away

@Magno: I added translation to the line i put in. The rest of the song is just as painful. 😭

Originally posted by: Magno

@Krishna: Awww thank you dear... A shoulder to cry on will really be appreciated... 😆 As for joining me for what I want to do to the yummy... Do you think he can take both of us at the same time? 😃😆

😆 I bet he can dear...our Mili can take us both on..for sure...😆

@ JC - Aww...what a song that is...Thadaap..Thadaap.....the bestest song....and what wordings....

But unlike you ...I can dis-associate the song from the characters of the movie...thus...it does not matter to me who its picturised on...as long as on whom its picturised on...are going through or feeling those emotions...and Michi are dear...😆

And do agree with Ryka and Magno...her the love Prachi feels for Mili and vice versa is definitley nothing to do with duty...😆

Aww...yes on topic..god can't wait for Monday...😆

Originally posted by: jinc118

Ryka dear i don't actually mind that shoe lace on him much. hehe. usspe kaun dhyan de raha hai. What i noticed was that even in a Sherwani this guy has to thodofy some buttons to show his upper chest a bit. Who leaves a sherwani unbuttoned??? 😆 Not that i mind.

But must disagree with you and Anju (what else is new). HDDS song sounded very tasteless to me. Don't get ready with your belans yet..hear me Therefore, i was really upset with that song being played on Michi. Michi love is not coming from a sense of obligation or because they are married. They genuinely love each other. And Milsi is def not like Vanraj (altho i liked him a lot, a lot, a lot)...but Milsi is a different character and should not be compared. I never want Milu jaan to go thru what Vanraj endured for his wife's happiness. I want Milu jaan to be the child that he is and throw tantrums and tell his wife that he needs her. And i never want another HDDS song played on my Michi. Am i being selfish? Sorry guys. But it really breaks my heart to hear those songs. 😭 🥺

JC

@JC I understand why u r upset about the song being played on MICHI about the obligation part..Me looking at the song a differently..

MICHI may have concluded a lot of things in their mind the last episode (very tasteless things) but was extremely sure about their own hearts and soul...I gleed like an idiot when 'tere hogaye hum' played...That line made my day..

'Umeedein Tumhin Se Hain Mere Sanam' from Milind about his expectations and that too just from her as always and he looked fab during that line..

Ryka used the word sincerity & truth of MICHI about their own heart no matter what bad the situation is and I agree...

The only line I dont agree ..is "Bhoolenge kabhi na ab tumhe hum'It was for Ash(the situation of the song was so) and will never fit Prachi..P is stamped Mrs.Milind Mishra top to bottom.So' forget' term from P to M is utterly tasteless. well,that came with the song.

'Chaahe jo Maang lo sab tumhara hein' could have been played😃(Ask anything u want ,everthing is yours)

About Milu being the child, that is the first and formost thing that attracted me to the character...I consider him a child. Can u imagine the irritation when he didnt get angry didnt make that usual irritated face at NP.I went where is Milu Baby???..The term 'Haq'that he used is the only thing that kept my sanity.

@Ryka..Me very possessive about Vanraj..First Vikram now Vanraj sorry😆Jhoka hawa fav song..and sindoor scene and train thingy😍.😆

Bye Bye...Have a fantastic weekend guys..

Ok, promise last one abt Vanraj....Mera dimak karab hai that i will compare my duffer with Vanraj? Or Nandini with Prachi? Apna Duffer Vanraj jitna samajdhar hota, tho phir tension hoti kiss bath pe😡😆? In case u didnt get it, the Van-Raj i compared Milind to wasnt Ajay's Vanraj but King of the Jungle, A Real Lion😃 The characters are very different... but what remains constant to an extent is their beliefs...esp Vanraj's & Milind...both dont like to be lied to, when both of them get angry, u need to be running for covers and now the most striking similarity will be their wife's happiness being a priority over their own.

Vanraj-Nandini and Michi's story arent similar but for the fact that Michi and Nandini found their true love in their marriage... they have taken their time to fall in love... but they have to face their partner's insecurity towards them because of their past...and they are trying to deal away with it, by saying 'Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam, TERE hogaye hain Hum, Teri Kasam' I am not saying the story of HDDCS suits Michi, It surely doesnt... But the song surely does...each word of the song does....esp at this stage because a sense of unconditionality has finally seeped into Michi's story with such prominence

Oh...u made me feel sad for Sameer... like the way I did when the last Tadap Tadap ke began and Sameer crashed on the floor😭... but the Tadap Tadap continued and they took the long shot of Vanraj on the bridge....It was such a torturous walk to watch...how the hell did this guy manage to walk that length of the bridge..and then he turned to watch her running to him... completely defeated in spirit, his shoulders had drooped and the camera took his close up with the words went '...Tho lutgaye hum teri mohabath mein' Finally he managed to say what he never could....'Tumhare bina jee nahi sakta' I think the way he said it...sealed the movie...there couldnt have been any other way to it. Personally I think only SLB could have managed this kind of an ending... There was no Happy Ending to the movie... It was the Right ending...two people destined and in love with eachother were together. SLB didnt let you forget Sameer even though fireworks exploded in the sky with Vanraj-Nandini's union. Lets see what happens with Saawariya.... me thinks Sallu is the Saawariya in this😃

Krishna, Thank u so much dear for your appreciation and along with Anju... here is a BIG huggie for the sake of Vanraj 🤗



Chalo... with that shall end my HDDCS discussion😆...JC, lets not feel guilty for using up Michi's place... this came up only because HDDCS was shot on the two idiots😆 Jhonka Hawa ka is another fave....because the entire song was just questions that both guys asked the girl and at the end of it... Vanraj helped her with the Sindoor she was struggling to put with her broken arms and the Train scene was like☺️ And the best part was it was Ma'am's idea😆

Oh Btw JC...these days Sherwani with open necks have become fashion... so I guess our Style Icon decided to give that effect by leaving it unbuttoned...but that shoe lace is irritating me😕 I dont like guys sporting chains... I so dont like duffer's neck piece in the title montage aswell😕.

Hey is there anyway to get this title video. I haven't seen it except if you are talking about the one in the middle of the show that they show for the breaks. Didn't notice his neck yet...will do next time.

No more on HDDS. But very scared for Saawariya. I might end up sending a real nasty mail to SLB if Saawariya falls from my expectations. I am so scared that the story will be a tragedy...i am trying to gear for it. You know mental preparation...its releasing on my B-day and i am gonna go watch the first show...if it depresses me...oh SLB i will give you such bad-duas... 😡 But you know its only SLB that knows how to tap into the deepest repositories of pain in your soul and bring it out in a matter of seconds through the right mix of aesthetics, music, and dialogs. There i go off topic again. Plz give me a slap everytime i do this.

I am just waiting for my school to be over so i can make some damn awesome mixes for my Michi. Every time i hear Saawariya songs...thats all i want to do. Even now...i am supposed to be studying Pharmacology. 🤢 Who wants to do that. Save me.

JC