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Posted: 17 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: sareeta



I have to say, Ryka, that one line, disappointed me , immensely , coming from you,... I have always appreciated your stand on things and the way your defend your stance, Never expected you to defend that act of his asking for forgiveness for an act that is perceived unpardonable...or may be I am reading different...

So any man, who attempts a near rape on his wife , and comes and says "Laanat hai mujhpe.." the next day or jus goes running and finds her a saree of her choice in rains...or shed a tear should be forgiven and allowed to get away ??

At that rate , half the rapists and men with near close intentions will jus be roaming scott free in this world and we will have no one else to blame but our own mahaaan dils which forgave those despicable intentions...

Milind's intention to scare his wife in that manner was despicable , whether or not the act was carried out in actual...Soch hi gandi thi, harkat tho door ki baat hai!

If Prachi forgave him and thought it was a heartfelt repentance... it was because she is a damn fictional character, but to believe that that was a awesome gesture and his repentance was a glorious act... am sorry, I find it indigestible... much worse... unpardonable......

The woman, who feared the sound of a footstep after the act, and the day after... jus chose to ignore... and look all puppy eyed.. when he called her his wife...

The fact that a rape scene is being given such a romantic feel to it... in these soaps by the creatives is disgusting and much worse.... mocking the trauma of the woman face such situations in real....

Aapki har argument , is valid in its own way, except this one , which I as a woman find hard to accept.. Am sorry.

I dont intend to question you or anyone in particular, but just that why is it that being woman we chose to ignore such a glaringly despicable act ...

The act of rape is a far cry , jus the intention to even attempt it , to scare or otherwise is as unpardonable as the act itself !

Milind can never be forgiven for the act, coz his sister was never forced , but gave in willingly to Alaap, whereas Prachi was literally threatened and manhandled... against her will... and physically abused... which stands no comparision, to the act of willingly going all the way with a man, one believes loves her only to be jilted later...



From which angle did it look like i supported the pretend rape?😕 And from which angle did Milind's act be glorified because of his repentance? That repentance was surely special not because it glorify Milind... but because he accepted his sin and his willingness to pay for this for a lifetime. He NEVER asked for forgiveness for his sin... he said he deserves to rot in hell... and even if Prachi forgives him... he would still be guilty of it and pay for it all his life. Now having attempted that already... what is it that Milind can do? Even if he wants he cant go back and correct it.

What I appreciate about his confession and what he did after that was that it helped the victim to deal with the trauma....with absolutely NO justifications offered from him. Prachi was so traumatised that a sound of footsteps scared her. More than Milind suffering for his crime... My concern is Prachi coping with that trauma and putting it behind her, I surely cant see her sit in a corner frightened all her life... till she gathers the courage or till help reaches her. So for me when that emotional support came from Milind himself and Prachi needed & accepted it, I am fine with it. I am talking abt dealing with the aftermath of the rape and not the rape. I am saying Milind was sensitive in handling the aftermath and that by any means doesn't mean I justify his attempted rape. If I have to justify his rape I would be talking abt his reasons to commit such a thing. I never found it justified and never will. I don't know what made u feel I can glorify such a thing.

I give credit to Milind to be able to establish the security back in Prachi, I give him credit for being able to get his wife trust him and that by no chance was due to his puppy face act. It was in his humility, honesty and genuineness of how ashamed he was about his act. And that saree wasn't just another gift to his wife… It was symbolic of his efforts to restore the dignity he tried to rupture… for that he could fight a life threatening situation, I did make a post on the significance of the saree long back. That wasn't just a saree. How will u explain the two of them nursing eachother wounds which was caused by physical violence that transpired? Forgiving is a different issue…U might as well say Prachi can forgave because she was timid house wife….but how will justify her physical comfort with the man who attempted to rape her and enjoy being with him? She could have feigned and refused to allow him touch her… but no she was comfortable with him. Now how did that happen if it wasn't for Milind establishing her trust in him? I was talking abt that when I made that statement you quoted. For me it is more important of how genuine he was. For me that moment is special because it was a defining moment of Michi's relationship and if I can recall right, we agreed on that in some post abt fave scene of Michi...and I still stand by the fact that it was a defining moment of their relationship... and it will remain spl to me for that.

I am not talking about the general rape that happen… I am talking abt the pretend rape that happened on the show…. I am talking Michi specific. Yes, It is a fictional character and I could have said that only about a fictional character. And no matter how much I condemn Milind's act… I credit him for the way he pulled Prachi out of trauma…. Were u ready to see Prachi suffer every minute? I wasn't… and for that I credit Milind. That surely doesn't even out his mistakes… and I know it and he knows it too. For me the right to make the decision is with the victim and anything she decides in her right frame of mind without any pressures on her, I will accept it with no questions asked. And she decided in favour of Milind… and I respect her choice as much as I would have respected her choice of divorcing him or leaving him or taking legal actions for that crime. When we fight for a woman's rights then why don't we respect her decision whatever it is? It surely doesn't mean a victory to Woman's liberation if she had dragged Milind to the court…. For me the mere fact that she had the right to make a choice is victory and whatever choice she makes is fine and should be respected if we are fighting for her rights, u defeating the purpose of the fight for her rights by questioning her decisions.

I am very clear about what I think and what I stand for and what matters to me at the end of the day to be able to see my ownself in the mirror. More than half the time I am misunderstood and I surely cant do anything abt that than put up what I actually meant… I am used to it by now.
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Posted: 17 years ago
#42
Hey Ryka,

Thank you for helping us understand our two 'duffers' - and for the love, sympathy and understanding you have for them.

You make them more heroic, true and beautiful than their original creators make them on TV.

Your thoughts are wonderful to read....
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Posted: 17 years ago
#43
15 th Aug temple scene was his earnest repentence and his attempt to restore something he tried to snatch fom Prachi in his own terms.No wonder he said that the rain nothing to him .

Milind came to know the real Prachi,the girl who truly cared and respected the self made man that he was and his actions,honesty and that speech in front of the temple was enough for Prachi .It was Prachi's choice to be with Milind and she decided to be with the man.

When ever P thinks of Milind in that KYM song all she thinks is him wrapping that raincoat around her and sari..His acceptance of his own mistakes& treatment towards her and she chose to move forward with that man who accepted defeat in front of her and her upbringing. and what that meant for their marriage.


After all that happened now they truly love each other even more than their own life and will die for each others hapiness.No doubt about it.It may have started with repentance but now its the case of heart pure heart ...13th Aug doesnt even come to their mind now.

Some times drama makers choose to start a love story that way from repentence and guilt and so they call it a drama..

In a real life scenerio,it would never have been like this and it should never be...Jail should be the way to go and no less...
Edited by lvsgm - 17 years ago
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Posted: 17 years ago
#44
miland married prachi to hurt ayesha n now ayesha knows the truth so wats the use y did he destroy prachi's life.... i hate ayesha's character now y is she blaming prachi for every problem... 😡
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Posted: 17 years ago
#45
Ryka - just when I am convinced that Milind is not a very nice person , you convince me otherwise... 😆

These discussions are fabulous, and what's especially noteworthy is I don't find any name-calling and abusive posts to make a point....it's wonderful to read two interpretations of one character's actions!

Until now, I have only been a passive member of this topic, but perhaps it's time I enter the battlefield too 😉 😆 *Naa...mujhe kachcha chaba jaayenge sab 😆 *
Edited by krangara - 17 years ago
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Posted: 17 years ago
#46
Ryka, it sad, that you feel misunderstood. It was not intentional to make you feel that way.

I shared my opinion and view point out of the sheer respect for your opinion and stand point that you have always shared. And I have admitted , that your posts are very enjoyable and I have admired the fact that your arguments are clear and always based on strong points... but well, I did feel a urge to share my opinion too ...

With the way things are being seen here and considered.... I see things being tended to taken personal, which is not what I intended.

I am not sorry for having voiced my point , I felt strongly abt it and voiced it...and not against anyone but against a thought process in general ... which I didnt identify with...

But , I do not see a reason or a point in sharing my POV on this forum anymore, lest the discussions turn off onto much more uncomfortable tangents....

I guess, I'd rather stick to discussions abt how great Michi look together and leave everything else, in the closet!

To Ryka, and everyone who thought my post was offensive, please note, it was not intentional and was never intended to be...

Thank you,
Sareeta
Edited by sareeta - 17 years ago
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Posted: 17 years ago
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Hmm Michi in question this is interesting....Having read both Ryka and Sareeta's posts and ofcourse being a woman myself. I agree with both the women....I think Milind was wrong in attempting to rape Prachi ..an act so offensive cannot be overlooked and Prachi too chose to sever all ties with the man Till he found out the truth. Now what is important is Milind's change of heart and how he underwent it.....watching the serial closely I followed that on having a convo with the diligent doctor and after reading the letter was he repentant for his actions....yes he was repentant on having thought her wrong so he ran out in the heavy rain n bought the saree , confessed on him being a jerk n accepted his mistake but later wen he saw her bruised he truly repented his attempt of rape......The fact still remains that he attempted it and could not be forgiven for it.....yet we cannot forget the fact that he never underwent it ...just used it as a way to torment her and shatter her morally.....not a forgivable act again but then he never asked for forgiveness rather waited for being punished......Now the decision rested solely with Prachi either to put the matter behind her or use it as an excuse to part ways......n guys it was her decision rather the character's so we shud not sweat on this one....We must not forget that serials are meant for entertainment n more than half the things shown are absolutely fictional....else we'd all have our own Milind Mishra in our back yard.....n ofcourse all the dear departed cud be resurructed in the blink of an eye...I hope I've done justice to the entire scenario.
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Posted: 17 years ago
#48

Originally posted by: blind horizon

Hmm Michi in question this is interesting....Having read both Ryka and Sareeta's posts and ofcourse being a woman myself. I agree with both the women....I think Milind was wrong in attempting to rape Prachi ..an act so offensive cannot be overlooked and Prachi too chose to sever all ties with the man Till he found out the truth. Now what is important is Milind's change of heart and how he underwent it.....watching the serial closely I followed that on having a convo with the diligent doctor and after reading the letter was he repentant for his actions....yes he was repentant on having thought her wrong so he ran out in the heavy rain n bought the saree , confessed on him being a jerk n accepted his mistake but later wen he saw her bruised he truly repented his attempt of rape......The fact still remains that he attempted it and could not be forgiven for it.....yet we cannot forget the fact that he never underwent it ...just used it as a way to torment her and shatter her morally.....not a forgivable act again but then he never asked for forgiveness rather waited for being punished......Now the decision rested solely with Prachi either to put the matter behind her or use it as an excuse to part ways......n guys it was her decision rather the character's so we shud not sweat on this one....

We must not forget that serials are meant for entertainment n more than half the things shown are absolutely fictional....else we'd all have our own Milind Mishra in our back yard.....n ofcourse all the dear departed cud be resurructed in the blink of an eye...I hope I've done justice to the entire scenario.

Ryka and Sareeta darling....please do not feel that ones POV is not appreciated....being humand beings we all have different POV and thus see things differently......

Thus as Muneeza said.....its a drama...where the whole theme is entertainemnt...and all of the situatiosn adn senarios in INdian dramas...are always further from the truth....thus....we need to take it that way too....as fiction.....the writers imagination...his or her point of view...as they want the characters to behave...and it may not be based on real life reactions at all....or they may be.....its upto every individual intepretation...how we take it all...

Hope that both of you will keep posting your POV ....as reading different POV is fun to read...as we can thus have a good friendly debate...argument...on the pros and cons..on whaht we think good of and not...

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Posted: 17 years ago
#49

Originally posted by: sareeta


I am not sorry for having voiced my point , I felt strongly abt it and voiced it...and not against anyone but against a thought process in general ... which I didnt identify with...

But , I do not see a reason or a point in sharing my POV on this forum anymore, lest the discussions turn off onto much more uncomfortable tangents....

I guess, I'd rather stick to discussions abt how great Michi look together and leave everything else, in the closet!

Sareeta



Why? 😭😭 This is a general thread, and I really don't think either Ryka or anyone else wish you to stop voicing your opinion.

This has indeed turned into a rather heated exchange of opinions, but it hasn't crossed any lines and isn't a good chance for all of us to put our toleration and acceptance of others' opinion into practice? (grandma)

Anyway, about near-rape thing.

I agree, mass media shouldn't be a mean to lead the society into learning any weird and irresponsible ideas. Rape should never be related to romance in anyway, and we should send them protest letters for any trials a show do to suggest otherwise.

However, apart from this conscience about mass media as a reality in our lives, and the critical eyes we should have for it, as an 'enjoyer' of this show I see Milind's character, the fictional character as a different matter. Meaning: the production house/TV station/creative team sucks badly for chipping in the rape idea: Yes. Milind the character is forever doomed for his acts: not really. These are two different dimensions that shouldn't be mixed unless we want to get out completely from the imaginary world that is Kayamath the soap.

So to 'defend' Milind, which I will actually do, I'm defending him basing on the story in this imaginary universe (and my perspective of it), and not my take on this matter in the real world (which should deal with Ekta etc and not Milind the character, IMO).

So, in Kayamath universe, Milind has done something bad which he's truly embarrassed about, but that doesn't make him a real villain because:

- I don't even agree with the term 'near rape'. I perceive it as someone tried to rape someone but then for some reasons failed to. While in Milind's case, it's obvious to me that he would never really do it, and Prachi might have known it too ('deep inside', which is a very cliche imaginary term) because she had said how much she trusted Milind's righteousness. And the most insulting thing Milind did might be when he said: 'You don't even deserve it!'(with that hand gesture!) and not the scaring act itself.

- I see Milind the character felt remorse already even before he found out his wife did those fabulous things for him. He brushed it off but his face showed 'I've screw up' emotion when he 'searched' for Prachi in their room. From what he gathered his wife was a money-thief and a liar and even trying to poison him or something, but still he knew these 'facts' didn't justify his act at all. Knowing what his wife actually did for him made it all worse.

- His apology: In this imaginary world, wasn't that truly an amazing way of apologizing? He was sooooo sincere and heartfelt, saying his act was truly embarrassing and he's so ashamed of himself and didn't deserve any forgiveness. With the rain and the sari and all, it was very romantic.Prachi who put her fear/anger aside and went searching for him because she's worried about his safety simply could not but touched by his sincere words.And of course couldn't help forgiving him as well.

So again, this is story-wise even though the story is not so wise.


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Posted: 17 years ago
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Hi Sareeta!

I wont lie, I was hurt when I saw that particular qoute and the subsequent discussions that went on. When this discussion took a turn with my quote and a lot of serious issues & interpretations came about (contradicting my emotions behind making that statement) I felt misunderstood, obviously I would be feel personally responsible for the subsequent discussion. So I had to put up the last bit to clear my stand.

I couldnt understand why this entire thing came about when the particular scene was the turning point of the story and the defining moment of Michi's relationship. For me & lot of us here Michi's relationship had hit rock bottom with pretend rape... Milind had to give me solid reasons to get me back to rooting for the couple as soulmates. And yes that scene had substance and sincerity that it changed the track of the story... and put Michi future together back into prospective. For me that was the single most singnificant moment in Michi's relationship. If moment was unacceptable, unpardonable then which was that acceptable moment that had everyone cheering for Prachi getting back with her almost rapist husband? Or is it that Michi seriously shouldnt belong together after that episode... If so then why is this discussion on in the 1st place? These were some of the questions that i asked myself before I posted my reply and I didnt have a reply... because from the interaction that I have had on the forum... The entire deluge episode had Michi fans back in action & spirit, I for a fact knew many wanted Michi back together and the forum was brimming with happiness for the next 2 week. So I couldnt understand why me mentioning the defining moment of Michi's relationship had been taken in the other way causing disappointment....esp because it was due to that scene that today Michi are together and has everyone going gaga over their love story. I am aware it is a fiction and I am talking strictly in the realms of that story. Coming to my statement which was quoted... All i was trying to imply there was that Milind has it in him to set things right no matter how drastic and in ruins they might be. He will do anything that it takes to set things right... and wont care about his own life for that...yet it will be just his unconditional efforts the decision however will remain in the hands of the victim.

U surely have a right to voice ur opinion and you did and if u feel u arent sorry for it... that ends the matter. There is no need to stop interacting with the forum. I surely dont want to be the reason the forum loses out on a member like you. Yes, The forum is huge and everyone has a right to voice an opinion... contradicting at times and at those times things arent going to be comfortable. But I think we are mature individuals to deal with it... by clearing the air ,respecting the right of the other person having a view or may be overlooking something u dont agree. We might not always achieve a comfortable atmosphere but a cordial one is just as good.

I am sorry that this discussion took this turn... largely due to my post. Sareeta, I really hope to see you on the forum interacting as usual... else it would be more unfortunate than the misunderstanding and misinterpretations happened on this thread and most of us agree on that front.

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