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Posted: 17 years ago

#11

Wow! Ryka, that was some justification for Milind...but for someone like Milind whose instincts and understanding of people and the way of the world have made him the successful person he is today should be able to see things in perspective. Of course, y'll say these are emotions he's dealing with...those related to the heart. But ultimately, doesn't everything boil down to emotions, whether at business or at home?

Neev said he was in love with Prachi, not Prachi. So, when Prachi told Milind that she didn't return those feelings anymore, he should have believed her. His instincts should have kicked in...as it did time and again when he told her earlier, 'tujh mein kuch baat hai.'

The irony here is this: Prachi didn't believe a word of what Ayesha said after the fake ONS and she'd put up a spirited fight for 'mera pati.' But, from the moment he declared he wanted a divorce and she heard him telling Ayesha, of all people, that he and Prachi have no relationship and is tagging along for the father's sake, her spirit failed her and she gave in.
Where, earlier, she had the courage and reason to put Ayesha in her place , she felt she no longer could.

You are right that things go on behind his back...but is he so blind to Ayesha's innocence? He ought to figure out Ayesha's intentions by now..that woman cares nothing for decency as she has proved time and again.
So, he should have guessed that Ayesha's just as capable of going for Prachi verbally just as she is of trying to brainwash him and convince the whole world about her feelings for Milind.

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Sareeta

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Posted: 17 years ago

#12

Ryka, I have to agree with Pippa Ji, that, that was some defense in favor of Milind, but that aint surprising now is it?! 😊 With due respect, your stand point is something I have enjoyed reading, but not necessarily something I have completely agreed to…!

Well, I do see your stand but then with due respect, I disgree...

At the risk of being misunderstood and misinterpreted, I go on here to put forth my opinion and stand point...

My apologies to anyone who directly or indirectly feels offended... none is intended however...

I believe that with the viewers connecting to the characters at a level, beyond the fact that they are jus characters, we tend to bias our viewpoints, which are but natural and in no way can be held against one...

But yet, I beg to differ and see it different…

Ayesha, a pivotal character in the story, has been shown as an ex-love who feels jilted in love, which jus only leads the viewers to treat her as a negative character, and not choose to look beyond than what we are expected to see…

Sad, that we chose to be lead by the creative team to believe that to feel jilted and sad , on losing something is to be negative , and not attempt to look beyond and deeper into the character…

Please bear in mind, this is not a rampant Ayesha's defense post, but rather as I perceive it , a objective view of what is transpiring now, considering Ayesha's integral role in the sequence of events….

Ayesha and Milind have grown up together, seen each other through the thick and thin, and one can safely say, they are predictable enough for each other, to react and respond to each other's reactions…

A deeper connection, a step beyond their close friendship might have only been natural… but if one were to look at Ayesha… and her support system; Milind has been an integral part, even if one may argue, that he wasn't the only one…

Milind has been always aware of Ayesha's rationale behind her actions, her anger, and her bitterness…which was only evident during the episode of him snatching the shah house from her back, to give it to his darling wife…

The man did play on her weakness to suit to his advantage… and someone who has had a undeniable knowledge of how she would react and her rationale for her actions, could have done what he did…

The very reason, Milind married, was coz he was playing on Ayesha's jealousy… and to vent his own anger at what had been done unto him by her, and to get back to her, by hurting her where it pricked the most … his importance in her life…

The man has been aware of how Ayesha felt towards him, reacted to him, and more so, saw in him… and the importance of him in her life… and that cannot be denied…no matter what…

The supposed ONS, that transpired, only made Milind cringe in guilt for the fact that he had not given the support to Ayesha, that she was looking for, instead, took advantage of her presence …

The aftermath of the birthday party, saw Milind rushing to Ayesha, with concern about her behavior…the very gesture of rushing to her, could not make it any clearer than it has , that Milind stands by her today too as a good buddy… as someone who has seen her , through her tuff times, shared his own pain, and her pain …

It was certainly a very empathic moment between the two when Ayesha poured out her heart to Him, momentarily forgetting her vengeance and angst at his marriage to Prachi, but for the simple fact that she was losing out on his support on her life… The only constant thing in her life, until… things took a turn on a different tangent…

No denying that, Ayesha is responsible for the mess that she is in, but when it comes to her relation with Milind, there is no denying that he is the support factor for her, in her life…

With an ailing, demented, jilted in love woman for a Mum, who she had to mother, when she needed that support herself and to grow far beyond her age, losing out on childhood innocence, Ayesha has walked a tuff path. She wasn't even blessed with a family as was Milind… who eventually, she regarded as family… her complete support system…

And Milind was aware of this more than anything else, about his importance in her life… and that's undeniable…

One would only expect Milind to stand by her as a friend and let her know that all is over between them, and that he would stand by her as a friend… coz he does know Ayesha is still holding on to the past …

But much to add to turmoil to Ayesha's troubled psyche at the moment, he choses to keep quiet and only utter that he dosent have anything to do with Prachi… which only adds fuel to assumptions of Ayesha, that she is still important in his life, coz he didnt deny her presence..!

I see that Milind treats Ayesha as a frined, and pours out his heart to her… even his denials to her, but the same way he should even let it out the he dosent see Ayesha as a life companion anymore…. Knowing she is building her hopes… by the minute, what with her screaming her lungs out screaming he is hers all the time, in his face….

One may argue that Milind is lost in his own god forsaken sad saga of love, to give Ayesha any importance, but the man, will find only himself to blame … at a later point when things out of hand…

Not accepting a relation is way different from denying it on the face, which always gives a tone of finality…

Silence may be golden, but misinterpreted the most!

Ayesha will be justified if at a later point she turns to Milind " Tune kabhi inkaar bhi nahin kiya ki tu mujhse pyaar karta hai" because Milind has only done that… Kept mum… for his own pathetic sake…

Ayesha has been given every reason by Milind to be believe that what she was thinking was right… even when he said.." Maine tujhse pyaar kiya hai .." Mere aur prachi ke beech mein kuch nahin hai.." …

The man had umpteen chances after the so called ONS to clear his stand and apologize to her but didn't, instead he sulked given his sad assumptions abt his saga of love…and chose to ignore the ONS faade and not clear the stand that Ayesha was wrong in her thinking…

Milind may not be leading her on deliberately, but the fact of the matter is … "HE IS "… Period… Keeping mum and ignoring things don't solve matters…it jus worsens them…

If Milind indeed treats Ayesha as a friend and intends to be one to her, he certainly isn't behaving as one… certainly not… well actually , as a selfish friend to vent his own god damn denials abt his love to her…

If there is anyone who can bring Ayesha out of her turmoil, it would be Milind, by letting her know , she has not lost his support, but only that he has a life with prachi too... and he has accepted too...

Ayesha's actions have always been revolved or based on Milind's actions.. or words and he has been the only one person, she has paid heed to ... and he being aware can only respect that and stand by her... instead of staying mum...

If anyone can make Ayesha realize... it will have to be Milind, coz Ayesha would only be willing to listen to the one person she considers family... the one support in her life,... she has held on to ... in her life...for her own dear life... for her own troubled...sake..!

Neev spoke to Prachi, knowing she was the quieter kinds, who possibly might not have voiced out her thoughts in front of MIlind and cleared her stand, but was only surprised to know she had ... and then chose not to interfere...

Well surprising Milind didnt even come close to being as good as a friend as what Neev is to Prachi!

Milind stands guilty as charged in my eyes!

Thanks Pippa for putting up this post!

I rest my case …

Edited by sareeta - 17 years ago

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Sareeta

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Posted: 17 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: pippa
Wow! Ryka, that was some justification for Milind...but for someone like Milind whose instincts and understanding of people and the way of the world have made him the successful person he is today should be able to see things in perspective. Of course, y'll say these are emotions he's dealing with...those related to the heart. But ultimately, doesn't everything boil down to emotions, whether at business or at home?

Neev said he was in love with Prachi, not Prachi. So, when Prachi told Milind that she didn't return those feelings anymore, he should have believed her. His instincts should have kicked in...as it did time and again when he told her earlier, 'tujh mein kuch baat hai.'

The irony here is this: Prachi didn't believe a word of what Ayesha said after the fake ONS and she'd put up a spirited fight for 'mera pati.' But, from the moment he declared he wanted a divorce and she heard him telling Ayesha, of all people, that he and Prachi have no relationship and is tagging along for the father's sake, her spirit failed her and she gave in.
Where, earlier, she had the courage and reason to put Ayesha in her place , she felt she no longer could.

You are right that things go on behind his back...but is he so blind to Ayesha's innocence? He ought to figure out Ayesha's intentions by now..that woman cares nothing for decency as she has proved time and again.
So, he should have guessed that Ayesha's just as capable of going for Prachi verbally just as she is of trying to brainwash him and convince the whole world about her feelings for Milind.

Completely second your thoughts Pippa Ji! Couldnt have said it better...

The fact is that Milind's cannot be justified , in the name of his sad love story... the man has a god damn brain and instincts that kick in, that he needs to pay heed to... we dont need to do the bit of interpreting it for him and clear him of all charges... and same goes with any other character... Ayesha or Prachi... (My apologies if I sound harsh... not intended...)

I dont intend to say , we shouldnt defend the characters , but not at a point when their actions are far from being perceived as reasonable... as is the case of Prachi and Milind at the moment...

I believe I have too, seen sense upto a while in Milind's actions but not post the "Main ghar chod ke jaa rahi hoon" scene of Prachi...

For me the only person sane and sensible is Ayesha, who despite her glaring drawbacks of being hot tempered , has had the guts to voice and not assume , but to only act , on hearing clearly from her ex love abt his denial for Prachi and his brooding of how he lost his first love...

Edited by sareeta - 17 years ago

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Krishna

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Posted: 17 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: pippa
Wow! Ryka, that was some justification for Milind...but for someone like Milind whose instincts and understanding of people and the way of the world have made him the successful person he is today should be able to see things in perspective. Of course, y'll say these are emotions he's dealing with...those related to the heart. But ultimately, doesn't everything boil down to emotions, whether at business or at home?

Neev said he was in love with Prachi, not Prachi. So, when Prachi told Milind that she didn't return those feelings anymore, he should have believed her. His instincts should have kicked in...as it did time and again when he told her earlier, 'tujh mein kuch baat hai.'

The irony here is this: Prachi didn't believe a word of what Ayesha said after the fake ONS and she'd put up a spirited fight for 'mera pati.' But, from the moment he declared he wanted a divorce and she heard him telling Ayesha, of all people, that he and Prachi have no relationship and is tagging along for the father's sake, her spirit failed her and she gave in.

Where, earlier, she had the courage and reason to put Ayesha in her place , she felt she no longer could.

You are right that things go on behind his back...but is he so blind to Ayesha's innocence? He ought to figure out Ayesha's intentions by now..that woman cares nothing for decency as she has proved time and again.

So, he should have guessed that Ayesha's just as capable of going for Prachi verbally just as she is of trying to brainwash him and convince the whole world about her feelings for Milind.

Pippa darling...👏 Very well put dear...an in complete agreement.....with what all you said...👏

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Magno

@Magno

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Posted: 17 years ago

#15

Originally posted by: sareeta
Ryka, I have to agree with Pippa Ji, that, that was some defense in favor of Milind, but that aint surprising now is it?! 😊 With due respect, your stand point is something I have enjoyed reading, but not necessarily something I have completely agreed to…!

Well, I do see your stand but then with due respect, I disgree...

At the risk of being misunderstood and misinterpreted, I go on here to put forth my opinion and stand point...

My apologies to anyone who directly or indirectly feels offended... none is intended however...

I believe that with the viewers connecting to the characters at a level, beyond the fact that they are jus characters, we tend to bias our viewpoints, which are but natural and in no way can be held against one...

But yet, I beg to differ and see it different…

Ayesha, a pivotal character in the story, has been shown as an ex-love who feels jilted in love, which jus only leads the viewers to treat her as a negative character, and not choose to look beyond than what we are expected to see…

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Thanks Pippa for putting up this post!

I rest my case …

First of all have to say this is a treat, like always:)

Warning: I'm mixing this with the other thread, so be aware of certain 'off topic-ness':)

When I watched this show before, when Milind wanted to marry Prachi to get at Ayesha, I actually thought something like 'Dude, if she doesn't love you enough to NOT getting married to Neev, she wouldn't give a hoot if you marry another woman'. I mean we know Ayesha loved Milind, but Milind wasn't suppose to 'know' that for sure, right? So I like this part of your post that explains that bit:

[quote]The very reason, Milind married, was coz he was playing on Ayesha's jealousy… and to vent his own anger at what had been done unto him by her, and to get back to her, by hurting her where it pricked the most … his importance in her life…

The man has been aware of how Ayesha felt towards him, reacted to him, and more so, saw in him… and the importance of him in her life… and that cannot be denied…no matter what… [/quote]

I can't disagree completely with your post, but as the others had tried to say, it's exactly because Milind and Ayesha know each other so well that Milind can't be blamed 100% (not even 50%) for Ayesha's current possessiveness. He knows she knows. She knows he knows. But they both let things stuck because Ayesha simply refuses to accept it, while Milind might need Ayesha as a 'defense' against Prachi. I just think you're 'using' someone when they are not aware of it and gain nothing in return, but when such is not the case, it's called mutual symbiosis or something:D Anyway Milind still cares about Ayesha as a friend or a bit more, that's for sure (I think).

[quote]If there is anyone who can bring Ayesha out of her turmoil, it would be Milind, by letting her know , she has not lost his support, but only that he has a life with prachi too... and he has accepted too... [/quote]

I somewhat agree with this, that would be wonderful, but I don't think current Ayesha would be satisfied with this. In fact, she simply wouldn't, because her current life-goal is to make Prachi's life a living hell.

[quote]Well surprising Milind didnt even come close to being as good as a friend as what Neev is to Prachi! [/quote]

That's because Neev is a very different person from Ayesha. Milind used to love Ayesha 'despite' of her rather harsh character, and now without the burning love it must be hard to deal with such character (especially because she has got worse ten folds)

[quote]For me the only person sane and sensible is Ayesha, who despite her glaring drawbacks of being hot tempered , has had the guts to voice and not assume , but to only act , on hearing clearly from her ex love abt his denial for Prachi and his brooding of how he lost his first love... [/quote]

Here I have to clearly disagree, because we know humans as social creatures do have at least two languages, one is verbal and the other is non-verbal. In most cultures non-verbal communication certainly considered more correct/true than verbal ones:) So just because she rather maniacally hangs on to his words(which is still debatable), it doesn't make her a sane and sensible person, since she's obviously ignoring the glaring non-verbal signs.

[quote]Milind stands guilty as charged in my eyes! [/quote]

Nooooo....😆

So in short, though surely all the characters somewhat share the blame, I don't think Milind is leading Ayesha on, because 'leading someone on' means making them think something that is not true, right? While in my opinion Ayesha knows. She just refuses to accept it, and there's nothing Milind can really do to change that (which won't drive her literally insane, that is).

But of course it would be nice if every one just starts to speak up clearly, including Prachi:)

edited to EDIT:

Forget half of what I wrote here. Milind is a confused soul and after watching the show in my own language(I'm slow) I can see why anyone says he's leading her on. Well still think he's not really to blame though, and Ayesha is asking for her own trouble. She's shameless now.

Edited by Magno - 17 years ago

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Sareeta

@sareeta

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Posted: 17 years ago

#16

Thanks for chipping in Magno!

Quoting you...

"So in short, though surely all the characters somewhat share the blame, I don't think Milind is leading Ayesha on, because 'leading someone on' means making them think something that is not true, right? "

I disagree on this point, Milind keeping mum and playing his lost in love act is clearly giving every non verbal sign to Ayesha that he is hurt by her moving away and not because of Prachi...

Milind shutting his trap and playing mum is making ayesha believe that he is still in love with her, or has residual feelings for her , and he being aware that she is thinking so and still not doing anything abt it... knowing she is on a destructive path of not only self but everyone involved, is clearly despicable about him...

So according to the statement , and from my argument above... Milind IS leading Ayesha on....albeit unknowingly or knowingly... the latter becoming a unforgivable act, as he is leading Ayesha on to a destructive path of self destruction, where she would ruin her own life completely...

As for Ayesha being sane and sensible, I stand by my word, I refuse to accept or rather find it hard to be convinced, that jus because she feels jilted and lost without Milind makes her insane and insensible...

If one would recollect from the earlier episodes.. Ayesha was the one who drove sense into that dimwit Prachi's head about using her own sense of judgement rather than believe what ppl say in case of Sukruti's issue.

Prachi is being made out to be a angel coz she is supporting Sukruti, does one ever recollect, her not even hugging Sukruti once the issue came out in the open , coz of her own doubt...? !!! It was Ayesha who believed that Sukruti could not be wrong or rather believed thatSukruti had been made to believe and find herself in that situation... and it was Ayesha who drove sense into Prachi....to trust her own judgment and not believe all that was said at face value...

It was Ayesha who drove sense into Milind's head that Prachi was not at fault for bailing him out... and that he needed to consider things practically...

Ayesha is only bitter of what has been done unto her in the Shah house and overcome by anger and sense of vengeance...

Jus because Milind and Prachi are keeping mum and playing along not expressing... doesnt make them saintly souls and certainly not sane and sensible! Not at all....

If Prachi stood up and used her rotten brains to figure out Milind is in love with her, after all the so called non verbal communication everyone is harping about... I find it hard to believe, these two have not pronounced their so called love as yet and allow themselves to be led on like idiots by Ayesha, who using her brains is acting practically to suit her benefits...

She is using her brains ... why blame her?If the dimwits M and P used theirs, then I guess... we have something to credit them with!

If Ayesha is no angel, so arent they.... if it can be, they are far worse.!

Edited by sareeta - 17 years ago

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Magno

@Magno

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Posted: 17 years ago

#17

Originally posted by: sareeta
Thanks for chipping in Magno!

Quoting you...

"So in short, though surely all the characters somewhat share the blame, I don't think Milind is leading Ayesha on, because 'leading someone on' means making them think something that is not true, right? "

I disagree on this point, Milind keeping mum and playing his lost in love act is clearly giving every non verbal sign to Ayesha that he is hurt by her moving away and not because of Prachi...

Milind shutting his trap and playing mum is making ayesha believe that he is still in love with her, or has residual feelings for her , and he being aware that she is thinking so and still not doing anything abt it... knowing she is on a destructive path of not only self but everyone involved, is clearly despicable about him...

So according to the statement , and from my argument above... Milind IS leading Ayesha on....albeit unknowingly or knowingly... the latter becoming a unforgivable act, as he is leading Ayesha on to a destructive path of self destruction, where she would ruin her own life completely...

As for Ayesha being sane and sensible, I stand by my word, I refuse to accept or rather find it hard to be convinced, that jus because she feels jilted and lost without Milind makes her insane and insensible...

If one would recollect from the earlier episodes.. Ayesha was the one who drove sense into that dimwit Prachi's head about using her own sense of judgement rather than believe what ppl say in case of Sukruti's issue.

Prachi is being made out to be a angel coz she is supporting Sukruti, does one ever recollect, her not even hugging Sukruti once the issue came out in the open , coz of her own doubt...? !!! It was Ayesha who believed that Sukruti could not be wrong or rather had been made to believe and find herself in that situation...

It was Ayesha who drove sense into Milind's head that Prachi was not at fault for bailing him out... and that he needed to consider things practically...

Ayesha is only bitter of what has been done unto her in the Shah house and overcome by anger and sense of vengeance...

Jus because Milind and Prachi are keeping mum and playing along not expressing... doesnt make them one! Not at all....

If Prachi stood up and used her rotten brains to figure out Milind is in love with her, after all the so called non verbal communication everyone is harping about... I find it hard to believe, these two have not pronounced their so called love as yet and allow themselves to be led on like idiots by Ayesha, who using her brains is acting practically to suit her benefits...

She is using her brains ... why blame her?If the dimwits M and P used theirs, then I guess... we have something to credit them with!

If Ayesha is no angel, so arent they.... if it can be, they are far worse.!

*Scratches Sareeta's smooth cheek* 😃 I kid I kid...😆

Sareeta, most of your examples came from the past, before the great humiliation and Ayesha's character went kaboom, so they're not really relevant (to me).

I understand if you say it's only clear to viewers that Milind doesn't love Ayesha anymore, and not to Ayesha herself. However I don't agree, because from my point of view his non-verbal signs are clear especially to Ayesha. A debate is impossible here because we're standing at two podiums of two different rooms (I just made this term up. Duh, nowadays you can debate from anywhere in the world😃) but I'm sure you know what I mean.

[quote]If Prachi stood up and used her rotten brains to figure out Milind is in love with her, after all the so called non verbal communication everyone is harping about... I find it hard to believe, these two have not pronounced their so called love as yet and allow themselves to be led on like idiots by Ayesha, who using her brains is acting practically to suit her benefits... [/quote]

Aaaaaaaahhh!! But Sareeta! In this case this stupidity is sooo understandable! When we're madly in love, the most confident person become the most insecure person, that's the rule of luuurvvveee😆 Our scared heart would think the worse, ah for sure he doesn't love meeeee... No matter what he does to us, until he finally pops the question (or says the words).

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Sareeta

@sareeta

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Posted: 17 years ago

#18

Well Magno, regarding the examples from the past, I dont care if it is the past or the present, the point is ... that Prachi and Milind have been so typically assuming abt things earlier and even now unless , it was hit into their heads , whereas Ayesha used the brains god gifted her .. well its another thing that God gave a few other things as well... like a temper and a streak of jealousy that doesn't particularly gell well but nevertheless... I am just trying to draw a consistency line that Ayesha never assumed something out of thin air... if she is seen as assuming now... its is cause her ex love is giving her every damn reason to do so! And even when he is doing so, Ayesha is only basing her assumptions on what she has said or done... unlike Milind who assumes Prachi doesn't love him, even if she didn't say a word , and Prachi who is tad bit better.. at least she overheard him....say it himself!

As for Milind and Prachi, the less said the better... my stand point remains the same... I credit Ayesha with more sense than the two put together... in her insane and sane frame of minds!

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krangara

@krangara

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Posted: 17 years ago

#19

Rule No 1 of soaps: The vamp is ALWAYS smarter and more sensible than the lead characters 😆, which is exactly why these soaps run for so long....the evil ALWAYS wins, until the very end when everything turns ok for the leads miraculously... 😉 😆

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Sareeta

@sareeta

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Posted: 17 years ago

#20

Originally posted by: krangara
Rule No 1 of soaps: The vamp is ALWAYS smarter and more sensible than the lead characters 😆, which is exactly why these soaps run for so long....the evil ALWAYS wins, until the very end when everything turns ok for the leads miraculously... 😉 😆

Agree with ya Kitty! 😆

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