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Honestly I blame Viaan too his lack of self respect is too problematic and i dont think thats something any girl will want in a life partner ,also the most idiotic thing to do is to have love convos wiith a kid ,

but i agree i bash Katha 99 percent of the times bcoz with that gusse wala face its difficult to see her on screen

For me Viaan k scenes kya namuna h (not in a cute way) isme jata h while Katha ka i get disgusted with the fake feminism being served

@mango.falooda ji Agree on the creative differences part in a flat hierarchy team. I felt katha was justified even in the 1-1 with Viaan. I'd attribute her getting bit of a personal attack mode while probing Mr.Raghuvanshi is due to her protective motherly instincts. As Bana said, her behaviour to me felt like her defence mechanism and she will continue this avatar till Batman-Robin reveal to Viaan and Aarav.

There's nothing wrong with kathaa probing Viaan because she wanted to assess whether Viaan is simply admiring her or conspiring and scheming out of some unhealthy obsession.

I think Kathaa behaviour with Viaan has been like this since her 1st resignation. Hence, I agree that indecent ONS had deteriorated Kathaa's impression about Viaan. Kathaa doesn't talk like that with anybody, including Ehsan. So it's a deliberate and exclusive behaviour trait made part of Kaviaa relationship dynamics by the CVs, its either to symbolise their alag level of familiarity & comfort or as a catalyst to push kathaa towards Viaan in future.

Love is a strange emotion when ignored it will manifest really big like a tsunami, and then it gets difficult for the person to contain. That's the state of Viaan right now.

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

there are certain lessons in my view:

katha acts this way with viaan because she has no respect for him deep down. she thinks she is better than him because in her mind, as a mother, her ONS was totally acceptable, whereas he was the sleazy pervert in some ways. till she accepts that she participated as an adult with her fully expressed consent and therefore responsible as well, she will not be accept viaan in some ways.

perhaps the only way that will happen is if someone like reet shows the mirror and asks why she didn't just take the offer from pyramid or even beg continously from papaG instead of doing the ONS. till katha accepts the role she played in how the ONS happened, she will continue to look down on viaan in some ways. right now she has compartmentalized his actions as trauma and there is a patronizing advice type element happening. viaan also added to this by calling her his light etc etc etc. 🙄

in his guilt, viaan bent over backwards and almost glorified her as Mother (capital M). he never pushed back and said "I gave you the option to leave. why didn't you? why didn't you just tell me the truth that you needed the money for this? why did you lie about your background in your job?". not once, has he questioned katha or her choices. so right now, she is like his idol and he has stars in his eyes. so obviously, she is only going to look down on him.

some have noted that she is respectful with teji and reet -- well obviously! these two women will not take katha's lectures or nonsense. I wish reet was funny villain but otherwise, she is spot on when she pushes katha back with her comments. she does not give katha an inch to lecture and immediately stands her ground. what does that show -- katha respects those who push back. if not, she has a tendency to boss over them. saint viaan is not helping himself by being a pushover.

it also does not help that viaan has not acted in a manner deserving respect. he lost his sheen when he acted like a teenager and was mooning. while some praised him for being firm with teji and reet in a polite tactful way, I still found viaan below the mark. 🤷 (mili -- I would have responded in your previous post and tags but I was just feeling too lazy to write)

yes, he held his ground but he still comes across as a lovesick puppy who is all happy in love. he hasn't given up on katha despite her 'no' and has no intention of moving on. is that healthy? so that only adds to the perception that viaan is immature and not an adult -- another reason for katha to not respect him.

so here is the takeaway -- if you don't respect yourself, someone you love will not respect you either. till viaan learns to meld the viaan 1.0 (the tough CEO) with viaan 2.0 (the saint), katha is going to walk all over him. but I don't blame katha because saint viaan is just so boring. 👎🏼😂

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

there are certain lessons in my view:

katha acts this way with viaan because she has no respect for him deep down. she thinks she is better than him because in her mind, as a mother, her ONS was totally acceptable whereas he was the sleazy pervert in some ways. till she accepts that she participated as an adult with her fully expressed consent and therefore responsible as well, she will not be accept viaan in some ways.

perhaps the only way that will happen is if someone like reet shows the mirror and asks why she didn't just take the offer from pyramid or even beg continously from papaG instead of doing the ONS. till katha accepts the role she played in how the ONS happened, she will continue to look down on viaan in some ways. right now she has compartmentalized his actions as trauma and there is a patronizing advice type element happening. viaan also added to this by calling her his light etc etc etc. 🙄

in his guilt, viaan bent over backwards and almost glorified her as Mother (capital M). he never pushed back and said "I gave you the option to leave. why didn't you? why didn't you just tell me the truth that you needed the money for this? why did you lie about your background in your job?". not once, has he questioned katha or her choices. so right now, she is like his idol and he has stars in his eyes. so obviously, she is only going to look down on him.

some have noted that she is respectful with teji and reet -- well obviously! these two women will not take katha's lectures or nonsense. I wish reet was funny villain but otherwise, she is spot on when she pushes katha back with her comments. she does not give katha an inch to lecture and immediately stands her ground. what does that show -- katha respects those who push back. if not, she has a tendency to boss over them. saint viaan is not helping himself by being a pushover.

it also does not help that viaan has not acted in a manner deserving respect. he lost his sheen when he acted like a teenager and was mooning. while some praised him for being firm with teji and reet in a polite tactful way, I still found viaan below the mark. 🤷 (mili -- I would have responded in your previous post and tags but I was just feeling too lazy to write)

yes, he held his ground but he still comes across as a lovesick puppy who is all happy in love. he hasn't given up on katha despite her 'no' and has no intention of moving on. is that healthy? so that only adds to the perception that viaan is immature and not an adult -- another reason for katha to not respect him.

so here is the takeaway -- if you don't respect yourself, someone you love will not respect you either. till viaan learns to meld the viaan 1.0 (the tough CEO) with viaan 2.0 (the saint), katha is going to walk all over him. but I don't blame katha because saint viaan is just so boring. 👎🏼😂

M, your post made me realise how much I missed your analysis. Feels like the good old days when you would create threads on PapaG 🤣 I mostly agree with everything which you have written.

In respect of the earlier post, I understand where you are coming from in respect of creative teans. I think what really bothered me about the episode is that Katha made Viaan feel inadequate and that felt wrong to me. We definitely need Viaan 3.0 to turn up.

Originally posted by: Ssp123

Honestly I blame Viaan too his lack of self respect is too problematic and i dont think thats something any girl will want in a life partner ,also the most idiotic thing to do is to have love convos wiith a kid ,

but i agree i bash Katha 99 percent of the times bcoz with that gusse wala face its difficult to see her on screen

For me Viaan k scenes kya namuna h (not in a cute way) isme jata h while Katha ka i get disgusted with the fake feminism being served

especially a woman in her 30s!

randomly today, I was listening to one of my favourite songs and I think it conveys everything I had hoped to see in katha and what the makers totally missed.

https://youtu.be/Nz1iHi0fhzI

so this is one of those 'whole love story in one song' scenario -- just for context, she is divorced with a small toddler when they meet. they strike a friendship and after four years, it turns romantic. he is in love but you don't see him mooning like a teenager. yes, he looks at her and there is admiration in his eyes but it never feels intrusive and neither does he lose sight of his job (he is a cop). he is a man in love and there is something rather cool about him -- his half-smiles, his head shakes -- the way he conveys his feeling of love.

at the same time, we can see the spark of attraction in her eyes and their conversations ebb and flow over the years. we also see a variety of fashion with her -- she is a classical dancer but at the same time modern. we see him courting her steadily through a friendship but there is a mature stability in how they show those interactions. then it peaks and we see the romance blossom.

this is the kind of mature love story I was hoping to see in this drama. these are the types of looks and stolen glances I wanted to see. this song is musically great -- you can turn on CC for lyrics subs -- but also visually a treat to watch in terms of story presentation. something I enjoy watching even though I have seen it many times.

this was what I had hoped with this drama, instead, I am annoyed and facepalming. 😂 I am not even enjoying the build of romance because they took away viaan 1.0 and we are stuck with a saintly manchild. instead of swooning, we are thinking of crime patrol type unhealthy obsessing.🤣

also in the song, you see his interaction with the child and this is an adult-child relationship played out so beautifully. the scenes are so tiny but we can see the child's love and sense of security she feels with her mom's friend. you don't see him pander down to her but you can see him keenly listening. he is more like an old-fashioned father figure. (there is another fantastic song from the same movie which is very famous and shows him as a stepfather to the child -- very popular choice for father's day).

so yes, viaan could be playful but we have a skewed dynamic where a child is giving advice to an adult. instead of scenes that moves us, I am facepalming and thinking of things like how dangerous and unhealthy this can be. 😂

so yea, expectations and how it could have been ...... 😆

Agree Aarav becoming love guru to Viaan was unpalatable to me and 🤢.

IMO probably it was made to include him in the scheme of things just to ensure the child becomes a catalyst, otherwise theres chance of ppl linking kaviaa union to their ONS. That'd infact make kathaa look morally delinquent.

Viaan needed a redemption for his indecent proposal and his behaviour aftermath. So this isn't any simple SM marrying rich businessman story.

It's a story of a self-reliant SM who was very content with her past love moving on with a misogynistic businessman with a painfully traumatic past, who offered her money in return for an ONS. Her child is neither a teenager nor a toddler but have missed out his childhood and traumatised by his terminal illness. So, it's vital for Aarav and Viaan to have their own equation without kathaa's involvement.

Anybody not being tagged please join the fun aaj aam din nahi mango.falooda ji ka din hai🤣🤣

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

especially a woman in her 30s!

randomly today, I was listening to one of my favourite songs and I think it conveys everything I had hoped to see in katha and what the makers totally missed.

https://youtu.be/Nz1iHi0fhzI

so this is one of those 'whole love story in one song' scenario -- just for context, she is divorced with a small toddler when they meet. they strike a friendship and after four years, it turns romantic. he is in love but you don't see him mooning like a teenager. yes, he looks at her and there is admiration in his eyes but it never feels intrusive and neither does he lose sight of his job (he is a cop). he is a man in love and there is something rather cool about him -- his half-smiles, his head shakes -- the way he conveys his feeling of love.

at the same time, we can see the spark of attraction in her eyes and their conversations ebb and flow over the years. we also see a variety of fashion with her -- she is a classical dancer but at the same time modern. we see him courting her steadily through a friendship but there is a mature stability in how they show those interactions. then it peaks and we see the romance blossom.

this is the kind of mature love story I was hoping to see in this drama. these are the types of looks and stolen glances I wanted to see. this song is musically great -- you can turn on CC for lyrics subs -- but also visually a treat to watch in terms of story presentation. something I enjoy watching even though I have seen it many times.

this was what I had hoped with this drama, instead, I am annoyed and facepalming. 😂 I am not even enjoying the build of romance because they took away viaan 1.0 and we are stuck with a saintly manchild. instead of swooning, we are thinking of crime patrol type unhealthy obsessing.🤣

also in the song, you see his interaction with the child and this is an adult-child relationship played out so beautifully. the scenes are so tiny but we can see the child's love and sense of security she feels with her mom's friend. you don't see him pander down to her but you can see him keenly listening. he is more like an old-fashioned father figure. (there is another fantastic song from the same movie which is very famous and shows him as a stepfather to the child -- very popular choice for father's day).

so yes, viaan could be playful but we have a skewed dynamic where a child is giving advice to an adult. instead of scenes that moves us, I am facepalming and thinking of things like how dangerous this can be.

so yea, expectations and how it could have been ...... 😆

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

I have been taking breaks here and there. saw yesterday's episode and as usual, my thoughts are neither here nor there. 😆

my previous job was a creative one and so it was very natural to have long discussions on all sorts of minor details. we would not hold back. if you come from such an industry/company, you would not find the discussion between katha and viaan within the team as rude or even unusual.

there is no heirachy when we are throwing out ideas and dissecting them. it is simply part of a creative process where we are trying to refine what we were doing and everyone understands the debate is part of the process to make it better. this kind of creative collaboration is very common in certain industries.

however, if your industry or profession does not have that kind of creative component and there is a top-down heirachy, katha's debate with viaan can seem unprofessional.

that said, where katha's actions are questionable and indeed rude is when she has a one-on-one meeting with viaan where she questions his knowledge because he isn't a parent.

depending on one where one is in life, that can be painful and be an insult. there is a lot of unexplained infertility on the rise (both husband and wife are healthy but not able to get pregnant). imagine if katha said something like this to someone who wants to be a parent. or say someone who is struggling with infertility or not being able to get married, then indeed her comment was below the belt.

so while she is free to have her thoughts and ideas as a parent, it does not mean her being a parent makes her the expert view. one could question why she is allowing her son to have unsupervised friendship with adult. there are lots of questionable choices she herself makes as a parent which means she too is flawed. so as ehsaan said, it does not mean one has to have field knowledge (such as a doctor) to build a hospital. however, the concerns of someone on field should be taken into consideration.

so I didn't see a problem with the team meeting or even most of the one-on-one. the final comment was personal and unnecessary -- that was rude. that is not the way to have a creative discussion or debate. if you disagree, say you disagree. you don't need to put the other person down in order to justify your view. in other words, katha comes across a bit like those crazy fans who devolve into insults in order to make their point 😝

Absolutely agree. Katha here took the liberty to drive home her point in her one-on-one knowing well Viaan has no experience taking care of a child. I doubt she would do this with anyone else. So that makes me wonder why the writers even brought it on. Why did Viaan suddenly jump in and make this plan? Why was there no brainstorming earlier? How can one not consider safety? Agreed, he has no first hand experience with kids, so why not brainstorm on that with the team or give them that assignment - what are all the ways to make it secure and safe? Truly, with quite a few things the writers leave me scratching my head……

Kushiji IMO leaving few points to viewer's interpretation and as a result viewer's scratching their heads is typical ITV ishtyle🥳

Having not so good screenplay and shabby editing as a result making even a 50 episode serial mahadrag is PTV ishtyle.🥳

My TV serial mitron 🤗I'm just trying to cheer myself with this analogy, if you don't like it please ignore it.

Emojis use karne mein kacchi hun iss keliye bhi kshama chahta hun in my ishtyle🤣🤣

Originally posted by: kushikumari

Absolutely agree. Katha here took the liberty to drive home her point in her one-on-one knowing well Viaan has no experience taking care of a child. I doubt she would do this with anyone else. So that makes me wonder why the writers even brought it on. Why did Viaan suddenly jump in and make this plan? Why was there no brainstorming earlier? How can one not consider safety? Agreed, he has no first hand experience with kids, so why not brainstorm on that with the team or give them that assignment - what are all the ways to make it secure and safe? Truly, with quite a few things the writers leaving me scratching my head……

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

there are certain lessons in my view:

katha acts this way with viaan because she has no respect for him deep down. she thinks she is better than him because in her mind, as a mother, her ONS was totally acceptable whereas he was the sleazy pervert in some ways. till she accepts that she participated as an adult with her fully expressed consent and therefore responsible as well, she will not be accept viaan in some ways.

perhaps the only way that will happen is if someone like reet shows the mirror and asks why she didn't just take the offer from pyramid or even beg continously from papaG instead of doing the ONS. till katha accepts the role she played in how the ONS happened, she will continue to look down on viaan in some ways. right now she has compartmentalized his actions as trauma and there is a patronizing advice type element happening. viaan also added to this by calling her his light etc etc etc. 🙄

in his guilt, viaan bent over backwards and almost glorified her as Mother (capital M). he never pushed back and said "I gave you the option to leave. why didn't you? why didn't you just tell me the truth that you needed the money for this? why did you lie about your background in your job?". not once, has he questioned katha or her choices. so right now, she is like his idol and he has stars in his eyes. so obviously, she is only going to look down on him.

some have noted that she is respectful with teji and reet -- well obviously! these two women will not take katha's lectures or nonsense. I wish reet was funny villain but otherwise, she is spot on when she pushes katha back with her comments. she does not give katha an inch to lecture and immediately stands her ground. what does that show -- katha respects those who push back. if not, she has a tendency to boss over them. saint viaan is not helping himself by being a pushover.

it also does not help that viaan has not acted in a manner deserving respect. he lost his sheen when he acted like a teenager and was mooning. while some praised him for being firm with teji and reet in a polite tactful way, I still found viaan below the mark. 🤷 (mili -- I would have responded in your previous post and tags but I was just feeling too lazy to write)

yes, he held his ground but he still comes across as a lovesick puppy who is all happy in love. he hasn't given up on katha despite her 'no' and has no intention of moving on. is that healthy? so that only adds to the perception that viaan is immature and not an adult -- another reason for katha to not respect him.

so here is the takeaway -- if you don't respect yourself, someone you love will not respect you either. till viaan learns to meld the viaan 1.0 (the tough CEO) with viaan 2.0 (the saint), katha is going to walk all over him. but I don't blame katha because saint viaan is just so boring. 👎🏼😂

I think Katha has come a long way since the initial days, but that outrage at being asked to spend the night? Still there, the humiliation of it and not wanting to process it. Add to it the constant harassment, there is angst and plenty of it. While she gets to work with the best and lead a team, dealing with the constant staring, declarations of love, not taking the no, etc from the man at the top itself is extremely stressful and distressing. And one has to let it be - quite a compromise to make to retain the job, to pursue one’s passion. Not easy at all, definitely should never be the case.
Yes, she will have to at some point process the night she spent in exchange for money, but how can she do that with all the other things Viaan has been doing- at first the apologies- even going to her house and then the attempts to talk to her, later the teenage attitude. She needs her space and time. Wish the writers had given her that instead of steamrolling one thing after another at her!

The writers have to decide who and what Viaan is.

Originally posted by: mango.falooda

especially a woman in her 30s!

randomly today, I was listening to one of my favourite songs and I think it conveys everything I had hoped to see in katha and what the makers totally missed.

https://youtu.be/Nz1iHi0fhzI

so this is one of those 'whole love story in one song' scenario -- just for context, she is divorced with a small toddler when they meet. they strike a friendship and after four years, it turns romantic. he is in love but you don't see him mooning like a teenager. yes, he looks at her and there is admiration in his eyes but it never feels intrusive and neither does he lose sight of his job (he is a cop). he is a man in love and there is something rather cool about him -- his half-smiles, his head shakes -- the way he conveys his feeling of love.

at the same time, we can see the spark of attraction in her eyes and their conversations ebb and flow over the years. we also see a variety of fashion with her -- she is a classical dancer but at the same time modern. we see him courting her steadily through a friendship but there is a mature stability in how they show those interactions. then it peaks and we see the romance blossom.

this is the kind of mature love story I was hoping to see in this drama. these are the types of looks and stolen glances I wanted to see. this song is musically great -- you can turn on CC for lyrics subs -- but also visually a treat to watch in terms of story presentation. something I enjoy watching even though I have seen it many times.

this was what I had hoped with this drama, instead, I am annoyed and facepalming. 😂 I am not even enjoying the build of romance because they took away viaan 1.0 and we are stuck with a saintly manchild. instead of swooning, we are thinking of crime patrol type unhealthy obsessing.🤣

also in the song, you see his interaction with the child and this is an adult-child relationship played out so beautifully. the scenes are so tiny but we can see the child's love and sense of security she feels with her mom's friend. you don't see him pander down to her but you can see him keenly listening. he is more like an old-fashioned father figure. (there is another fantastic song from the same movie which is very famous and shows him as a stepfather to the child -- very popular choice for father's day).

so yes, viaan could be playful but we have a skewed dynamic where a child is giving advice to an adult. instead of scenes that moves us, I am facepalming and thinking of things like how dangerous this can be. again, crime patrol feels and vibes. 😂

so yea, expectations and how it could have been ...... 😆

Me too, me too. Was hoping so much for that mature, beautiful love, either organically or with plenty of passion. But what to do? We have to imagine and make excuses for all the characters now….

Originally posted by: Rsrockz

Agree Aarav becoming love guru to Viaan was unpalatable to me and 🤢.

IMO probably it was made to include him in the scheme of things just to ensure the child becomes a catalyst, otherwise theres chance of ppl linking kaviaa union to their ONS. That'd infact make kathaa look morally delinquent.

Viaan needed a redemption for his indecent proposal and his behaviour aftermath. So this isn't any simple SM marrying rich businessman story.

It's a story of a self-reliant SM who was very content with her past love moving on with a misogynistic businessman with a painfully traumatic past, who offered her money in return for an ONS. Her child is neither a teenager nor a toddler but have missed out his childhood and traumatised by his terminal illness. So, it's vital for Aarav and Viaan to have their own equation without kathaa's involvement.

Anybody not being tagged please join the fun aaj aam din nahi mango.falooda ji ka din hai🤣🤣

hahahahha... relatively free today and also in mood to post. 😆

the initial aarav and viaan interactions were fun and cute. what left a bad taste was when viaan started downloading his feelings on to aarav. 👎🏼

since I already shared, I might as well share the other song from the movie. so he has lost his wife and now has to be single father. we see their interactions and relationship growth as he moves from being a stepfather/guardian to actual father.

https://youtu.be/SdcAN3dobz4

what is lovely in the song is that there are no dramatic filmi scenes. there is a beautiful line in the lyric -- "as the seasons change and years go by, I am able to see the lost beauty of life in you" -- and we see him gently smiling as she is laughing while reading a book. the lyrics are really fantastic (turn on CC for subs) and they are written from a father's point of view. perhaps, that is why this song continues to be popular (89M views!) and the comments are all from fathers or people missing/remembering their fathers.

"I watched this a long time ago and didn't understand the significance and of the vidoe until today! Put me in tears. This song is beautiful! I have experience this but with my children being on the other end being wished happy fathers day because they seen me as both figures of parenthood. His love is beautiful and lovely for his daughter. I wished my children had that father figure in there lives. To many children missing out not having a father who is loving and affectionate like this." -- one fo the comments on the song in the video.

ideally, this is what we should have felt while watching viaan and aarav. it should have been beautiful bonding. does aarav need to have a silly arc like this in order to be relevant? why not have viaan and aarav bond over karate, cricket and missing their father or talking as 'man to man' (or rather man to boy). basically the kind of stuff that fathers do with their sons. then it would have been so much more impactful and showed how katha cannot do it all and there is a gap in aarav's life.