JW&BW as Ram &Sita!

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Ram and Sita.

Bani explicitly calls JW her Ram. During the 'Teej Party, JW likens her to Sita.

In the original, the myth of Ram and Sita was premised on perfection- of behaviour and principles. He was the 'Maryada Purushottam' par excellence and she was the ideal counterpart. For principles, dignity and in the name of 'doing the right thing' they both forever sacrificed, forever gave up what they wanted. And so, while they might have been given as models of perfection, they inadvertently also became the ultimate models of a love that was forever doomed to be unfulfilled. And then, it was Sita who had to give an 'agnipariksha' (test of purity through fire). Not, as Ram was at pains to clarify, to satisfy his own doubts, for he had none. He knew his Sita and could never doubt her. But for the world.

The myth is many thousand years old.

So much has changed and yet so much remains the same.

Bani has to pass her test: by explaining why she did the things that she did.

JW has already passed this one; he displayed absolute trust in her and took her back without any explanations being given. But that was not the real test by fire for either.

Today, it is Ram who has to give an 'agnipariksha,' prove his innocence and purity.

And her's is how she chooses to deal with it.

If the original model is followed, the proof of innocence is immaterial; despite it, they were separated. Doomed to love none but each other, doomed to never forget and move on and doomed to be forever apart.

So what we have in store is a forever-separated JB? But then what is the point of KS? If we wanted Ramayan then in my opinion, Valmiki is still the best!

But what if he is not innocent, if he fails?

Then we have an incredibly unequal relationship, between an angel and a sinner. And somewhere along the way, the charisma and hypnotic mesmerism JW exercised on the viewers imagination lies forever shattered. And so does the essence of KS.

Whatever his other failings, Ram was a man not the wimp the powers that be seem determined to reduce JW to.

And whatever her other failings, Sita was an equal partner in the marriage, who chose to break with tradition more than once to be with her husband. She was not the watering pot, who is forever on a mission to solve the world's problem at the cost of her own husband and her own happiness. And moreover, Bani should learn to credit JW with some competence and some brain!

And for all their separation, Ram and Sita had forever the idyllic vigil of their banwas to look back upon. Think about it, nearly 14 years, spent alone with her husband in the forest, with no cares save their daily lives and only a supportive, understanding Lakshman to keep them company…..

Whereas, for all their modelling on Ram-Sita, JB are yet to spend a week in peace!

Ok, so this was a long ramble, brought about in equal parts by the way they show Bani baring her heart to everyone save the one person she should….and the pretty obvious hint that Pia is about to be shown pregnant…..

Lord, how the mighty have fallen…..Ram and Sita never had such an awful fall from grace…..JW and Bani as Ram and Sita is therefore such a sad farce…..and I want my old KS back!😭😭😭


This is entirely my own POV. The intention is not to offend anyone's sensibilities. My apologies if I have inadvertently done so.

Would love to read your response to it.

Armana



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Posted: 18 years ago
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😭 Ram and Sita.

Bani has to pass her test: by explaining why she did the things that she did. And when she does, will she pass with flying colours in the name of her so-called love? I don't think so. You can't love without trust and she has failed miserably on that score. Even now, she is still hiding things in the name of his so-called happiness.

JW has already passed this one; he displayed absolute trust in her and took her back without any explanations being given. But that was not the real test by fire for either. Very true.

Today, it is Ram who has to give an 'agnipariksha,' prove his innocence and purity. Again true, though I personally don't agree with that premise. If every action has an equal and opposite reaction, Bani (Sita) should expect something equally as terrible to happen as a result of her actions. While I accept that unfaithfulness should not be a result no matter the provocation, the fact is that given the hell "Ram" has gone through, "Sita" should not be asking for an agnipariksha. Actually - I think if you look back, he has already passed his agnipariksha by supporting her blindly without knowing the reasons for her actions. To date he has not even asked her why she killed his child - is there a greater agnipariksha than what he has gone through since July 6 (or perhaps since the Teej party?) What greater love or trust can a man show than the day his wife is accused of, and proof shown of an extra-marital relationship and tell the world that he KNOWS she is incapable of such an act. He hasn't asked her to prove her love and has blindly taken her back no questions asked. And if he fails what happens - this is not the Ramayan. Here if he fails, the show goes off the air!!! Unless of course that is Ekta's plan to begin with...

If the original model is followed, the proof of innocence is immaterial; despite it, they were separated. Doomed to love none but each other, doomed to never forget and move on and doomed to be forever apart. And God help us all in that case because the serial should just call it quits. We are watching because for us Ram and Sita have been and should always be together. If what we are going to be exposed to is the modern version of the Uttara Ramayan, then as you say, Valmiki's version is better and Ekta should take KS off the air because her Ram and Sita both have feet of clay.

But what if he is not innocent, if he fails? 😭😭 dont even want to think of that!!!

Then we have an incredibly unequal relationship, between an angel ❓ 🤢(sorry and she becomes an angel how exactly) and a sinner. And somewhere along the way, the charisma and hypnotic mesmerism JW exercised on the viewers imagination lies forever shattered. And so does the essence of KS. While I would probably not go as far as calling him a sinner (he made a huge mistake, and he's already paying a very heavy price for it), you have absolutely hit the nail on the head. The essence of KS regardless of the original plans of Ekta, has been the character of JW and shattering him in the eyes of her audience is a major faux-pas on her part which she will have to do something about and soon. I pointed out elsewhere, that I think Ekta has made a huge error in judgement with KS - while she may have wanted to have Bani the lead protagonist and the other characters dancing around her, the draw for KS has always been the JW/BW relationship together, and the shift in sympathy even after the so-called ONS is clear proof that JW cannot be relegated to the background and the longer she keeps them apart (a la Ramayan), the more she looses ground. (Maybe rambling here, but my POV)

Whatever his other failings, Ram was a man not the wimp the powers that be seem determined to reduce JW to. See above - EXACTLY!!!

And whatever her other failings, Sita was an equal partner in the marriage, who chose to break with tradition more than once to be with her husband. She was not the watering pot, who is forever on a mission to solve the world's problem at the cost of her own husband and her own happiness. And moreover, Bani should learn to credit JW with some competence and some brain! Therein lies Ekta's mistake - she's trying to relegate JW to the "typical male syndrome - weak, out of control" and Bani as the "saviour" but in this instance it has totally failed. JW is gaining more and more support by the day inspite of the ONS because we can see how much he is suffering in silence. His every expression shows his horror at the thought of loosing her yet he knows its a matter of time before the bomb explodes in his face.

And for all their separation, Ram and Sita had forever the idyllic vigil of their banwas to look back upon. Think about it, nearly 14 years, spent alone with her husband in the forest, with no cares save their daily lives and only a supportive, understanding Lakshman to keep them company Whereas, for all their modelling on Ram-Sita, JB are yet to spend a week in peace! I guess in Ekta's timetable - a week is equal to 7 days so after perhaps another week, we should conclude that the 14 year banwas is over. The fact that not one day (except today) had just the two of them is irrelevant in Ekta's timetable.

Ok, so this was a long ramble, brought about in equal parts by the way they show Bani baring her heart to everyone save the one person she should….and the pretty obvious hint that Pia is about to be shown pregnant…..Please God NO!!! If it goes that way, then even the falling TRPs don't seem to make an impression on Ekta's brain...

Lord, how the mighty have fallen…..Ram and Sita never had such an awful fall from grace…..JW and Bani as Ram and Sita is therefore such a sad farce - I guess only Ekta would come up with such a likeness and take religion to a whole new level - so in her Ramayan, Ram has bedded who? Urmila's (Lakshman's wife) or perhaps Bharat's wife? If I remember my Ramayan correctly, they were all related to Sita hence the four weddings at the same time.

Don't mean to be offensive to anyone but here's my take.

Edited by rajkona - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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1 of the best writupz
2 gud thoguh a muslim i know tis story and like it a lot
keepitup arman
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Posted: 18 years ago
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I wrote a artcle 4 this sum time bck when I dont have to read my physics thesis
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Posted: 18 years ago
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A well put POV Armana.
Yes the duo's comparison with Ram and Sita seems very ambiguous.
Up untill now the characters have been sketched very well but for TRP's sake,neither maryada now the characters have been given any due consideration.
As a result the characters thus far protrayed as ideal have become not very ideal.
May be what they are trying to say is that this is reality or maybe that people with noble thoughts and mind also succumb to circumstances and end up erring.

Its either the TRP's Or just our way of consoling ourselves in redeeming our favourite characters!

What remains to be seen is whether these two will continue Sitas and Rams legacy..one that signifies eternal love and loyalty to each other.
Fingers crossed and Amen to that!

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Posted: 18 years ago
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Very well written !!!! Kudos to u

But as per the myth Ram and Sita had to seperate inspite of their love and ram never knew abt their kids and sita wz in isolation for 14yrs!!!!

I dont want this aspect of the myth in their lives!!!!!!!
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Dear Armana ji,

Separation and divorce are very painful things and no two souls should go through it. Some people unnecessarily ridicule it and humiliate the people that go through it not realising that they might themselves have to face that situation one day. It only shows their depraved morality. Nor do they know what made the partners break up. It is very easy to judge from a distance and make fun of those that go through it. Even Ram-Sita had to go through it. And Sita Mayi had to go through it too.

KS is making a mockery of this aspect and it is very disgusting that they tried to show "divorce" as an option for very stupid reasons and it seems like some people on the forum take it for granted that other women also behave like Bani. A sensible thing to do would be is to realiz that there is a lot of difference between "REEL" and "REAL" life and not to make unsavoury comments based on that, which I have seen some members do. Even Sita Mayi was not spared Agni Pariksha.

Thank you
Nancy
(BTW, I was Hindu before I took Christianity)
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Posted: 18 years ago
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Rajkona wrote:
Bani has to pass her test: by explaining why she did the things that she did. And when she does, will she pass with flying colours in the name of her so-called love? I don't think so. You can't love without trust and she has failed miserably on that score. Even now, she is still hiding things in the name of his so-called happiness"

In my opinion, Trust is...it does not recquire proof or explanations...that is the basic nature of trust for me...and that is something that JW and BW have always displayed in each other..however inexplicable the actions /behaviour of the other might have been...and wasn't that the real magic of ks? A love so powerful that it did not even need to be articulated....



JW has already passed this one; he displayed absolute trust in her and took her back without any explanations being given. But that was not the real test by fire for either. Very true.

Today, it is Ram who has to give an 'agnipariksha,' prove his innocence and purity. Again true, though I personally don't agree with that premise. If every action has an equal and opposite reaction, Bani (Sita) should expect something equally as terrible to happen as a result of her actions.
In that case this a deviation from the model...and a rather silly one. The point of Ram & Sita was the fact that neither deserved it....they were innocents forced to pay the price for the sins of others....in themselves neither was at fault. It was this that lent their story such intensity and pathos, and invested both with such immense dignity....

While I accept that unfaithfulness should not be a result no matter the provocation, the fact is that given the hell "Ram" has gone through, "Sita" should not be asking for an agnipariksha. Actually - I think if you look back, he has already passed his agnipariksha by supporting her blindly without knowing the reasons for her actions. To date he has not even asked her why she killed his child - is there a greater agnipariksha than what he has gone through since July 6 (or perhaps since the Teej party?) What greater love or trust can a man show than the day his wife is accused of, and proof shown of an extra-marital relationship and tell the world that he KNOWS she is incapable of such an act. He hasn't asked her to prove her love and has blindly taken her back no questions asked. And if he fails what happens - this is not the Ramayan. Here if he fails, the show goes off the air!!! Unless of course that is Ekta's plan to begin with...
But that is just the point....Mayi is one confused chic...and she seems to be hell bent on making sure we give up on ks!!!


If the original model...... be forever apart. And God help us all in that case because the serial should just call it quits. We are watching because for us Ram and Sita have been and should always be together. If what we are going to be exposed to is the modern version of the Uttara Ramayan, then as you say, Valmiki's version is better and Ekta should take KS off the air because her Ram and Sita both have feet of clay.
EXACTLY!!!


But what if he is not innocent, if he fails? dont even want to think of that!!!
Hun, in that case KS is over....:(

Then we have an incredibly unequal relationship, between an angel (sorry and she becomes an angel how exactly)
Er...that is the way Mayi wants us to perceive her. Don't ask me why...either she thinks we are incredibily dumb (maybe we r to continue watching....:)) or she's delusional...take ur pick!

and a sinner. And somewhere along the way, the charisma and hypnotic mesmerism JW exercised on the viewers imagination lies forever shattered. And so does the essence of KS. While I would probably not go as far as calling him a sinner (he made a huge mistake, and he's already paying a very heavy price for it), you have absolutely hit the nail on the head. The essence of KS regardless of the original plans of Ekta, has been the character of JW and shattering him in the eyes of her audience is a major faux-pas on her part which she will have to do something about and soon. I pointed out elsewhere, that I think Ekta has made a huge error in judgement with KS - while she may have wanted to have Bani the lead protagonist and the other characters dancing around her, the draw for KS has always been the JW/BW relationship together, and the shift in sympathy even after the so-called ONS is clear proof that JW cannot be relegated to the background and the longer she keeps them apart (a la Ramayan), the more she looses ground. (Maybe rambling here, but my POV)

Whatever his other failings, Ram was a man not the wimp the powers that be seem determined to reduce JW to. See above - EXACTLY!!!

And whatever her other failings, Sita was an equal partner in the marriage, who chose to break with tradition more than once to be with her husband. She was not the watering pot, who is forever on a mission to solve the world's problem at the cost of her own husband and her own happiness. And moreover, Bani should learn to credit JW with some competence and some brain! Therein lies Ekta's mistake - she's trying to relegate JW to the "typical male syndrome - weak, out of control" and Bani as the "saviour" but in this instance it has totally failed. JW is gaining more and more support by the day inspite of the ONS because we can see how much he is suffering in silence. His every expression shows his horror at the thought of loosing her yet he knows its a matter of time before the bomb explodes in his face.
Yep. I am beginning to feel more sympathetic towards JW w every passing day....

And for all their separation, Ram and Sita had ...... for all their modelling on Ram-Sita, JB are yet to spend a week in peace! I guess in Ekta's timetable - a week is equal to 7 days so after perhaps another week, we should conclude that the 14 year banwas is over. The fact that not one day (except today) had just the two of them is irrelevant in Ekta's timetable.

Yaar, koi usse maths sikhao!!!

Ok, so this was a long ramble, brought about in equal parts by the way they show Bani baring her heart to everyone save the one person she should….and the pretty obvious hint that Pia is about to be shown pregnant…..Please God NO!!! If it goes that way, then even the falling TRPs don't seem to make an impression on Ekta's brain...

Agree, the erratic meanderings of the TRP's alone should be giving her a nightmare and a pretty clear indication of what we want!!!

Lord, how the mighty have fallen…..Ram and Sita never had such an awful fall from grace…..JW and Bani as Ram and Sita is therefore such a sad farce - I guess only Ekta would come up with such a likeness and take religion to a whole new level - so in her Ramayan, Ram has bedded who? Urmila's (Lakshman's wife) or perhaps Bharat's wife? If I remember my Ramayan correctly, they were all related to Sita hence the four weddings at the same time.

Haha...rememver wondering in a moment of black satire if Rano was next....YUCK!!!

Don't mean to be offensive to anyone but here's my take.
Not in the least, hun!

thanks for engaging with me on a post i wasn't sure of the relevance of :)

armana
Edited by armana - 18 years ago
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Posted: 18 years ago
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That is a most interesting juxtapositioning of the
pivots of KS with those of the Valmiki magnum opus.
I absolutely agree with ur observations as below.

""Whatever his other failings, Ram was a man not the wimp the powers that be seem determined to reduce JW to.

And whatever her other failings, Sita was an equal partner in the marriage, who chose to break with tradition more than once to be with her husband. She was not the watering pot, who is forever on a mission to solve the world's problem at the cost of her own husband and her own happiness. And moreover, Bani should learn to credit JW with some competence and some brain!

And for all their separation, Ram and Sita had forever the idyllic vigil of their banwas to look back upon. Think about it, nearly 14 years, spent alone with her husband in the forest, with no cares save their daily lives and only a supportive, understanding Lakshman to keep them company…..

Whereas, for all their modelling on Ram-Sita, JB are yet to spend a week in peace!"



JW sees in his wife the dutiful,loving, constant,devoted,upholder Sita and for B, JW epitomizes the ultimate man,resolute, incorruptible Ram. How little they know how far the other has strayed from the ideal.
I dont fully agree with the analogy of "agnipariksha" though.... neither have been subject to this "ultimate test of innocence" in any form whatsoever. One is living in a fools paradise waiting for an "opportune moment" to reveal all and the other is wallowing in contrition & fear.

Thanks for the read

CAT



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Posted: 18 years ago
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Dear CAT,
Thank you for reading and commenting.

I thought of 'Agnipariksha' in the sense of 'Ram'(JW) having to live upto the ideal image his wife has of him...although, i guess what the cowed down optimist in me is really hoping for is this: the ONS did not really happen....sigh!!! main kabhi nahin sudhurungi...pia will be pregnant and i will insist Pushky is the dad!!!
My middle name ought to be DENIAL QUEEN!

On second thoughts abt neither having been through a test of fire, maybe BW does qualify in a sense; the initial months of her marriage, which consisted of nothing except undiluted hatred and insults....and despite it all she remained the dutiful, faithfull wife! And JW does too, for the trust and faith he displayed in BW all the while,
(Just a few more hrs Cuddles, and you would've been home, safe and sound, with all your self and our adoration intact 😭 😭 😭)!

Yeah, 'the opportune moment' really bugs me too, what is she waiting for, a mahurat, like the one Vashisht took out to crown Ram the king-in-waiting? which by the way never did quite happen... 😆
And JW 'wallowing in guilt and contrition' is like, 😕 🤢 😕 and just plain irritating!

Armana

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