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vayuu1

@vayuu1

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Posted: 6 years ago

#11

Originally posted by: Carmilla
Well.. since the last MB blatantly over glorified the Pandavas and Panchali . I think it's only fair.
By the way , Karna needs no glorification , He's already full of glory as a character . And that's what I'd like to say about this topic. 😛

last mahabharat didn't glorify mahabharat ,and if by last Mahabharat you mean br Chopra one ,it showed Karna Karna in good light as well, and if by last mahabharat you mean star Mahabharat,that serial was the one where this trend of over glorification oh sorry blatant over glorification according to ur words of karna begin ,yes Karna was full of glory, but he also has had his fair share of negatives as well, and that is what I am saying and sweet rogue was saying show a character as it is, not over do it.

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vayuu1

@vayuu1

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Posted: 6 years ago

#12

Originally posted by: .Karna
Well ,there were many battles were abhimanyu with arjuna and other Pandavas with thier army group attacked Karna . And he faced them alone . These types of fights are not decision makers.
I m not commenting on the glorification part that i too believe . But its also true after Bhisma ,Karna was the best warrior ( and arguably best archer)

let me ask you one thing brother, when you go for a job interview what is the first thing that is asked for, ur resume right? Warriors resume is his fights his battles, Karna has had his fair share of battles and his fair share of losses as well, agreed he was one of the best Archer of kaurava side, I won't say after bhishma ,it's after bhishma and drona .

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guenhwyvar

@guenhwyvar

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Posted: 6 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: Carmilla
Well.. since the last MB blatantly over glorified the Pandavas and Panchali . I think it's only fair.
By the way , Karna needs no glorification , He's already full of glory as a character . And that's what I'd like to say about this topic. 😛

Technically the last MB was Sony's Suryaputra Karna - which was a complete joke. The portrayal of Karna was basically taking StarBharat's Karna and dunking him a million times in white paint. From the top of my head (apologies in advance to folks who didn't watch SPK or have forgotten the horror) - didn't Karna save Draupadi from Sishupal, he was BFFs with Krishna, Vrishasena's death was pretty much used as an excuse to justify Abhimanyu's death (serial-wise only), protesting Draupadi's vastraharan.

It was a Karna serial, so it was what it was.

On the note of StarBharat, SidT whitewashed everyone including Karna (exception: mega blackwashing just the Kauravas, ugh.). Karna was whitewashed crazily - as a refresher: the lovely cashew nut (KaJu) scenes. Him expressing concern over Kunti and the Pandavas when they were on the way to the Lakshagrih, etc. He was a bit tougher than SPK, but other than that, Karna's "gray" and "black" sides were portrayed rarely, if ever.

I'm not sure how "fairness" plays into this since Karna was over glorified in both previous shows. Heck, BRC's portrayal of Karna, which I'd argue was more gray-ish than the recent shows, still glorified Karna.

I don't think there's ever been a show with Karna (or the Pandavas) in a gray character. That would be something fair for the audience to watch.

Not sure how Panchali fits in with the glorification scheme, but IMHO, she is one of the few characters that deserve to be glorified (like her sakha Krishna). But that might start a war, so I'll shrink the size and keep this last comment for me only.

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amritat

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Posted: 6 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: guenhwyvar
Technically the last MB was Sony's Suryaputra Karna - which was a complete joke. The portrayal of Karna was basically taking StarBharat's Karna and dunking him a million times in white paint. From the top of my head (apologies in advance to folks who didn't watch SPK or have forgotten the horror) - didn't Karna save Draupadi from Sishupal, he was BFFs with Krishna, Vrishasena's death was pretty much used as an excuse to justify Abhimanyu's death (serial-wise only), protesting Draupadi's vastraharan.

It was a Karna serial, so it was what it was.

On the note of StarBharat, SidT whitewashed everyone including Karna (exception: mega blackwashing just the Kauravas, ugh.). Karna was whitewashed crazily - as a refresher: the lovely cashew nut (KaJu) scenes. Him expressing concern over Kunti and the Pandavas when they were on the way to the Lakshagrih, etc. He was a bit tougher than SPK, but other than that, Karna's "gray" and "black" sides were portrayed rarely, if ever.

I'm not sure how "fairness" plays into this since Karna was over glorified in both previous shows. Heck, BRC's portrayal of Karna, which I'd argue was more gray-ish than the recent shows, still glorified Karna.

I don't think there's ever been a show with Karna (or the Pandavas) in a gray character. That would be something fair for the audience to watch.

Not sure how Panchali fits in with the glorification scheme, but IMHO, she is one of the few characters that deserve to be glorified (like her sakha Krishna). But that might start a war, so I'll shrink the size and keep this last comment for me only.

Over the last few decades, there have been tons of retellings (books), adaptations and TV shows on Mahabharata. Some overglorified Pandavas, Draupadi, Kunti and Krishna. Some villified Pandavas, Draupadi, Kunti and Krishna.

But I am yet to come across a single adaptation or TV show that villified Karna beyond what is there in canon Mahabharata. In fact, Karna seems to be the single character who is glorified by one and all, going to the extent of attributing his negative words and deeds to others (Duryodhan, Shakuni).

Karna has reached such a place in popular psyche today (courtesy mythmaking) that makers know if they portray Karna as he is in the canon, the book/TV show will not sell. And that has got less to do with Karna's inherent greatness and more with the sympathy factor courtesy caste. (This is partially true for Krishna as well for his "Godly" status, though we can find examples of bestsellers like Ajaya where he is thoroughly villfied).

Be it Sawant's Mrityunjay or Kavita Kane's Karna's Wife or Anand Neelakantan's Ajaya or Star Plus' Mahabharata or Sony's Suryaputra Karna or BR Chopra's Mahabharata, Karna is always shown in positive light. This is partly understood bcoz a book showing the perspective of Duryodhan or Karna would portray him well. But we see same the pattern in books based on Pandavas as well...Anuja Chandramouli's Arjun - The Saga of Warrior Prince, where Karna is glorified. Even in Yajnaseni by Pratibha Ray or Palace of Illusions by Chitra Banerjee, poor Duryodhan gets flak of the author for things which are done by Karna in canon text.

So, I am not sure how "fairness" is prevailing here. 😆

Edited by amritat - 6 years ago

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Mandy

@BeyondHorizon

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Posted: 6 years ago

#15

Sorry but I disagree with u. Starplus Mahabharata overglorified pandavs by portraying them as saints when in reality all characters in this epic are grey shaded. Arjuna was vain n Karna was a great warrior. The only one who could challenge Arjuna. What made Karna a better warrior was that he never let pride come in the way unlike Arjuna who was over confident. As for Abhimanyu no one can deny he was one of the greatest warriors ever born n his death will be one of the most tragic moments in the show. He single handedly fought all Kauravas n Karna only freed him from his misery. He did not defeat Abhimanyu. BR Chopra's take on this epic will always be the best adaptation since it portrayed the characters in the best manner. Even though Kauravas were the villains they had some good qualities too esp Duryodhan unlike SP where he was an out n out negative character. They white washed pandavs n for this reason I could never bring myself to watch it no matter the fact it was critically acclaimed.

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Ardhanarishwara

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Posted: 6 years ago

#16

Characters of Karna and Ekalavya will always stand out in Mahabharata even without any glorification.

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Adhya

@Agni_Jytsona

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Posted: 6 years ago

#17

was karna really a hero ?? After whatever role he played in drapaupdi s vh he is still considered a hero Why why why??

Edited by Poorabhforever - 6 years ago

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amritat

@amritat

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Posted: 6 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever
was Karna really a hero ? A man who don't respect their teachers, women, don't stop their friend from doing bad things even it is ruining their life is a called a HERO Whyyy??

Guys chill. This is a topic we have discussed about millions of times before with no outcome.

For fans, Karna will remain the single most white character, no matter what is stated in canon. For those who dont like him, he would remain the most glorified Homo Sapiens despite his virtues. Some people prefer to even dismiss canon texts, and stick to popular myths about Mahabharata for sentimental reasons...that is their choice.

The moderators have made strict rules this time. To avoid fan wars, let the forum belong to Karna n Uruvi...and the actors. If you wish to discuss Vyasa's Karna, please discuss in the thread made specifically for that. 😊

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Adhya

@Agni_Jytsona

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Posted: 6 years ago

#19

Originally posted by: amritat

Guys chill. This is a topic we have discussed about millions of times before with no outcome.

For fans, Karna will remain the single most white character, no matter what is stated in canon. For those who dont like him, he would remain the most glorified Homo Sapiens despite his virtues. Some people prefer to even dismiss canon texts, and stick to popular myths about Mahabharata for sentimental reasons...that is their choice.

The moderators have made strict rules this time. To avoid fan wars, let the forum belong to Karna n Uruvi...and the actors. If you wish to discuss Vyasa's Karna, please discuss in the thread made specifically for that. 😊

i prefer adressing karan as a flawed hum being not a hero lord krishna was the only hero of mahabharath

link of the thread please

Edited by Poorabhforever - 6 years ago

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amritat

@amritat

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Posted: 6 years ago

#20

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

i prefer adressing karan as a flawed hum being not a hero lord krishna was the only hero of mahabharath
link of the thread please

Here is the link: https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/karnsangini/5038742/mahabharat-the-epic-sources-variations-discuss-here-only

I would humbly request you to first go through my note on the front page, (yes I know it is long 😆 )before posting. In case, you feel like reading the canon texts, links to download pdfs of canon sources like the Critical Edition of Mahabharata in Hindi as well as English are provided. 😊

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