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Sanju

@.Karna

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Posted: 6 years ago

#21

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever
was karna really a hero ?? After whatever role he played in drapaupdi s vh he is still considered a hero Why why why??

what was wrong in that scene?

Karna called her unchaste means not pure. And Karna is known for his virtue and his knowledge of Vedas and scriptures , and According to that, he was true. People misunderstood the meaning of unchaste with a prostitute. He chose a very less derogatory term to compare to Kunti. She said that According to scriptures a woman who had a sexual relationship with more than 4 men is known as harlot which completlco means a prostitute. Even though karna can use that word but still he used a less derogatory term. And he was not wrong.

And if you are talking about the disrobing act, well I believe this is mistranslated. As the original Mahabharata was known as Jaya and was written as a poem. He may have used the word disrobing as a metaphor to describe the scene where a queen is dragged in Sabha. It tries to show the intensity of the insult. But I believe you are not got believe that so I would like to highlight something else. Also This jaya has undergone many interpretations and editing and omission.

Karna asked dushashan to remove the royal ornaments and dress from the body of Pandavas and Draupadi. Don't know why people just notice Draupadi only. The order was not out of lust, or you think he was interested in watching naked Pandavas . # 377!!

So it's clear he didn't ask to make them naked, he just wanted to disrobe them off their royal things as the slave does not have any rights to wear that.

Still Pandava fans keep on manipulating this scenario. Well then even I can say, he was trying incite pandavas to do something as he was duryodhan's friend, he can't do anything directly. After all this Jaya has undergone many changes who knows if scholars misunderstood the scene and wrote what they get and it turns out in against of Karna😛

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Ardhanarishwara

@Ardhanarishwara

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Posted: 6 years ago

#22

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever
was karna really a hero ?? After whatever role he played in drapaupdi s vh he is still considered a hero Why why why??

And what about the way Droupadi insulted Karna..

Only women have feelings? men don't have any feelings or emotions?

Droupadis insult is insult but Karnas is not?

It was she who started it, if she was not that arrogant and knew when to keep her mouth shut it wouldn't have happened.

First she publicly insulted Karna at her swsyamvar and then mocked Duryodhana calling him blind son of a blind father...First you go and hurt peoples feelings and then play victim when they attack back.

And when her 5 saint husbands dont respect the honor of her what to expect from others?

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Sanju

@.Karna

Rocker

Posted: 6 years ago

#23

Originally posted by: vayuu1
let me ask you one thing brother, when you go for a job interview what is the first thing that is asked for, ur resume right? Warriors resume is his fights his battles, Karna has had his fair share of battles and his fair share of losses as well, agreed he was one of the best Archer of kaurava side, I won't say after bhishma ,it's after bhishma and drona .

well , its according to you!

And I used 'best warrior' and in that...according to me .rankings are like this 1. Bhisma, 2. Karna, 3. Drona 4. Arjuna

And in archery Arjuna is 3rd and drona is 4th

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Mandy

@BeyondHorizon

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+ 6

Posted: 6 years ago

#24

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever
was karna really a hero ?? After whatever role he played in drapaupdi s vh he is still considered a hero Why why why??

Yes what Karna did was wrong. He humiliated her by calling her a vaishya. But y does everyone conveniently forget what Draupadi did? She too humiliated him calling him sootputra not once but many times over. And not just that she humiliated a father figure too in a bid to tease Duryodhana. What happened with Draupadi was wrong. Very wrong but u cannot deny she was severely flawed herself.

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Mandy

@BeyondHorizon

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Posted: 6 years ago

#25

Originally posted by: Ardhanarishwara

And what about the way Droupadi insulted Karna..
Only women have feelings? men don't have any feelings or emotions?
Droupadis insult is insult but Karnas is not?
It was she who started it, if she was not that arrogant and knew when to keep her mouth shut it wouldn't have happened.
First she publicly insulted Karna at her swsyamvar and then mocked Duryodhana calling him blind son of a blind father...First you go and hurt peoples feelings and then play victim when they attack back.
And when her 5 saint husbands dont respect the honor of her what to expect from others?

Bang on 👏 Loved ur reply! If Draupadi was humiliated in the court, first and foremost it was her husbands who were at fault. They were the ones who put her dignity at stake. Kauravs did not threaten to slit their throats if they didn't. They willingly did that n they lost in the game of dice. Agreed Kauravs made a sin by demanding something like that but if u ask me, Pandavs were the bigger sinners agreeing to this.

And Draupadi secretly admired Karna in her heart as he had a combination of all the traits of Pandavs. She was married to 5 men which meant she had to treat all 5 of them equally but did she do that? She wanted to everybody's favorite queen but she always loved Arjun more than all her other husbands.

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amritat

@amritat

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Posted: 6 years ago

#26

Originally posted by: BeyondHorizon

Yes what Karna did was wrong. He humiliated her by calling her a vaishya. But y does everyone conveniently forget what Draupadi did? She too humiliated him calling him sootputra not once but many times over. And not just that she humiliated a father figure too in a bid to tease Duryodhana. What happened with Draupadi was wrong. Very wrong but u cannot deny she was severely flawed herself.

Sincerely apologize if I hurt anyone's feelings, but this is what happens when one's entire knowledge on something as scholarly as Mahabharata is based on TV serials and grandmother's tales...and maybe a couple of blogs and fictional novels.

"Andha Ka Putra Andha" is NOT part of Vyasa's Sanskrit Mahabharata. It was an invention of a later playwright in the 18thto 20th Century, and owing to its popularity has been consistently used in popular TV serials and novels. Vyasa's Draupadi did not insult Duryodhan. It was Bhima primarily who had laughed at him.

And there is not a single direct interraction between Karna and Draupadi in entire Vyasa's Mahabharata. So, Draupadi did not go around calling Karna Sutaputra Sutaputra. And her much publicized rejection of Karna, and the only statement she ever spoke to Karna in her entire life ( Na Aham Varayami Sutam in Sanskrit translating to I will not take a Suta as my lord) has been identified as a later insertion into the text by the Critical Edition.

I am not going to argue more on this thread, bcoz this show is on Karn Sangini, and not Draupadi. If you wish to continue this debate...then please come to the link provided.

Edit - When you are criticizing a character from the epic, you need to be clear which version you are criticizing. Are you talking about Vyasa's Draupadi or the popular TV version of Draupadi.

Edited by amritat - 6 years ago

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Adhya

@Agni_Jytsona

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Posted: 6 years ago

#27

Originally posted by: Ardhanarishwara

And what about the way Droupadi insulted Karna..
Only women have feelings? men don't have any feelings or emotions?
Droupadis insult is insult but Karnas is not?
It was she who started it, if she was not that arrogant and knew when to keep her mouth shut it wouldn't have happened.
First she publicly insulted Karna at her swsyamvar and then mocked Duryodhana calling him blind son of a blind father...First you go and hurt peoples feelings and then play victim when they attack back.
And when her 5 saint husbands dont respect the honor of her what to expect from others?

that blind s son is blind is not their in orginal mb

plus according to my knowelde calling somebody a wh**e and calling somebody a sutputra are two different level of insults plus sootputra is not even an insult another point being it was drapaudi s swamyvaar she had every right to choose who can participate in it or not and plus the latter part is not even proved to be authentic

just because her five husband didnt respect karna will not respect her too wow great 👏👏

instigating somebody to disrobe a woman or fellow human being is worst kind of insult what worse can you do with someone this was the lowest

Edited by Poorabhforever - 6 years ago

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Adhya

@Agni_Jytsona

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Posted: 6 years ago

#28

Originally posted by: BeyondHorizon

Bang on 👏 Loved ur reply! If Draupadi was humiliated in the court, first and foremost it was her husbands who were at fault. They were the ones who put her dignity at stake. Kauravs did not threaten to slit their throats if they didn't. They willingly did that n they lost in the game of dice. Agreed Kauravs made a sin by demanding something like that but if u ask me, Pandavs were the bigger sinners agreeing to this.

And Draupadi secretly admired Karna in her heart as he had a combination of all the traits of Pandavs. She was married to 5 men which meant she had to treat all 5 of them equally but did she do that? She wanted to everybody's favorite queen but she always loved Arjun more than all her other husbands.

drapaudi admired karna 😲 seriously serisously and how did you come to that conclusion based on the books written to glorify karna

my knowledge of mahabharath is not vast but still i know that she never admired karna

Edited by Poorabhforever - 6 years ago

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amritat

@amritat

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Posted: 6 years ago

#29

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

that blind s son is blind is not their in orginal mb

plus according to my knowelde calling somebody a wh**e and calling somebody a sutputra are two different level of insults plus sootputra is not even an insult another point being it was drapaudi s swamyvaar she had every right to choose who can participate in it or not

just because her five husband didnt respect karna will not respect her too wow great 👏👏

instigating somebody to disrobe a woman or fellow human being is worst kind of insult what worse can you do with someone this was the lowest

Please understand, the fault is NOT with the readers who are commenting here. But rather with writers and makers of TV serials.

Karna's role in the dice incident is reduced to only "wh**e" comment in popular renditions. And all his other words are shifted to poor Duryodhan. I feel bad for Duryodhan here, bcoz it is he who is wrongly blamed for everything in that scene. If writers and CVs dont follow Vyasa's text and make up stories, how would an average reader or TV serial viewer know what is fiction and what is real?

Anyway, I am requesting the moderators to close this thread for the sake of peace in this forum. Please...😊

Edited by amritat - 6 years ago

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Ardhanarishwara

@Ardhanarishwara

Dazzler

Posted: 6 years ago

#30

Originally posted by: BeyondHorizon

Bang on 👏 Loved ur reply! If Draupadi was humiliated in the court, first and foremost it was her husbands who were at fault. They were the ones who put her dignity at stake. Kauravs did not threaten to slit their throats if they didn't. They willingly did that n they lost in the game of dice. Agreed Kauravs made a sin by demanding something like that but if u ask me, Pandavs were the bigger sinners agreeing to this.

And Draupadi secretly admired Karna in her heart as he had a combination of all the traits of Pandavs. She was married to 5 men which meant she had to treat all 5 of them equally but did she do that? She wanted to everybody's favorite queen but she always loved Arjun more than all her other husbands.

Thank you.

I agree with what you said about dice game...it was just a game, Pandavas could have backed out at any stage..I was ok till Yudhishtara put himself as a stake..Forget about Droupadi, I didn't even like him gambling away his brothers.

I have no problems with any of MB characters..I ardently believe every characters belongs to varying shades of grey...it's just that for me Karna and Ekalavya stands out( okay I am omitting the hero word if that offends anyone)

I seriously don't understand why some people are questioning others believe..We all are adults here..we are mature enough to think for ourselves... people can perceive same story differently..what we perceive depends on multiple factors..there is no point in arguing over something esp when there is no clear evidence of what exactly happened..these are all just myths.

This is Karnsangini forum and let karna fans enjoy it peacefully, For Pandava fans, there are multiple Mahabharata versions focussing on them..if this show bothers you so much wiser thing to do is stop watching, baki tumhari marzi.

But one thing i am again telling you that we all are capable enough to think for ourselves and form an opinion, we don't need your gyaan.

Edited by Ardhanarishwara - 6 years ago