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Posted: 6 years ago

#11

Originally posted by: SweetRogue
By South Indian editions they mean the Kumbhakonam Dakshinatya edition which is available online in sanskrit. I don't know if it's translation is available.
You've clearly stated that you don't care what's in the Original and want to believe stories, novels, etc. Well that's your choice. But you cannot go on making claims based on flimsy stories and novels which are obviously biased. That's like making claims on the Harry Potter series by just reading fanfiction and saying I'm not interested in the original.
I'm a medical student. What if someday you come to me and I tell you that I'll treat you on the basis of what my parents, grandparents etc. Taught me and not what's given in actual books since I can't be bothered to read actual books on medicine? Will you be okay in taking treatment from me?

Exactly. By Southern Recension, it is the Kumbhakonam Edition in Sanskrit. Even P.P.S. Shastri's Critical Edition of Southern Recension says the same. Sadly, it has no Hindi or English translation for which it never got much publicity like KMG. Though, one can read Kavitrayam's Andhra Mahabharata if one can read Telugu. That is canon translation of Southern Edition (and not retelling).

And I totally concur with you regarding your second point.

What if I go to a political debate n make random comments about BJP/Congress without knowing the actual facts? What if I go to a Cricket Forum and attack Tendulkar without having any idea about his records? Will the political parties or Sachin fans leave me?

No matter what the topic - Politics, Cricket, Ramayan, Mahabharat - it is always expected that one would know the facts before commenting. And even if one is not aware - which is absolutely ok - one is expected to at least read/listen/learn more or be curious to know to continue the discussion.

One is not interested to learn. But he/she is still inclined to arguing. Strange are the rules of Freedom of Expression!

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vayuu1

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Posted: 6 years ago

#12

Thank good finally someone called this out, I actually created a thread calling out the over glorification of karna, but never knew about the above mentioned things and what's with this user name chakka arjun, do this guy know that arjuna is an incarnation of lord Vishnu, therefore it's highly disrespecting, I urge mods to plz look into it.

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SweetRogue

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Posted: 6 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: vayuu1
Thank good finally someone called this out, I actually created a thread calling out the over glorification of karna, but never knew about the above mentioned things and what's with this user name chakka arjun, do this guy know that arjuna is an incarnation of lord Vishnu, therefore it's highly disrespecting, I urge mods to plz look into it.

It's done. Almost all the troll accounts were blocked.

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Antara123

@Antara123

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Posted: 6 years ago

#14

@Mahanalayakkarn, you have mentioned stuff I haven't heard all my life about Kunti keeping track of her son and all.

Anga being a sex trafficking region, I haven't heard but I wouldn't put it past. What I haven't heard I wouldn't comment on.

However, a lot of stuff you mention seem so implausible that I am slightly curious. I want to know if you have sources to read them. And if you could suggest a couple of them to me. I don't understand the KMG and NBH abbreviations. Sorry. ;))

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cts22

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Posted: 6 years ago

#15

Karna's wife is a fictional story. It is a story of what if s, like a fan fiction of sorts

It is understood that it will be a glorification of Karna and the fictional character of Uruvi

As far as the Mahabharata goes, the greatness of the epic is that it has characters with various shades of grey.

Nobody can cite what is the correct version as it was orally transferred through centuries and an amalgamation of different folklore.

The KMG is the one that is available online so cited the most.

Even the pune institute one took many scholars many years and many versions of the story to put it as one narrative .

Each one wants to believe their version of the story and the character which connects with them.

I love the characters of Draupadi, Bhima Yudhishtir and Karna

I believe in the divinity of Krishna and Arjuna as a messenger of Krishna 's teachings ,but that is my view.

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SweetRogue

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Posted: 6 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: cts22
Karna's wife is a fictional story. It is a story of what if s, like a fan fiction of sorts
It is understood that it will be a glorification of Karna and the fictional character of Uruvi
As far as the Mahabharata goes, the greatness of the epic is that it has characters with various shades of grey.
Nobody can cite what is the correct version as it was orally transferred through centuries and an amalgamation of different folklore.
The KMG is the one that is available online so cited the most.
Even the pune institute one took many scholars many years and many versions of the story to put it as one narrative .
Each one wants to believe their version of the story and the character which connects with them.
I love the characters of Draupadi, Bhima Yudhishtir and Karna
I believe in the divinity of Krishna and Arjuna as a messenger of Krishna 's teachings ,but that is my view.

Yeah. The BORI Critical Edition is the closest we can have to what might be the original Jaya. It is mostly considered the last word on Mahabharata.

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SweetRogue

@SweetRogue

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Posted: 6 years ago

#17

Originally posted by: najma123
@Mahanalayakkarn, you have mentioned stuff I haven't heard all my life about Kunti keeping track of her son and all.
Anga being a sex trafficking region, I haven't heard but I wouldn't put it past. What I haven't heard I wouldn't comment on.
However, a lot of stuff you mention seem so implausible that I am slightly curious. I want to know if you have sources to read them. And if you could suggest a couple of them to me. I don't understand the KMG and NBH abbreviations. Sorry. ;))

Debroy's translation of the BORI CE is much easier to understand but unfortunately the books are not very cheap. I currently own three volumes which cost me upto 1200 RS. On Amazon. KMG can get really confusing and boring.

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SweetRogue

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Posted: 6 years ago

#18

Kisari Mohan Ganguly's translation of Mahabharata. It's available online on sacredtexts.com but it's not the most authentic compared to the BORI Critical Edition which was compiled after almost fifty years of research.

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Sanju

@.Karna

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Posted: 6 years ago

#19

I have seen some people who are trying to defame Krishna and Karna by quoting statements that they offered their wives to others. Neither Krishna nor Karna ever offered their wives to anyone. Those are just exaggerated statements of lord krishna and Karna to show their loyalty. Irony is that pandavas fans have problem with the statement of karna but they are ok with statement of lord krishna by making hypothesis of deep meaning behind the statement of lord krishna

(All points are quoted from sanskrit critical edition of ved vyass mahabharata by BORI)

Statement of Karna :

To him that will discover Dhananjaya to me, I shall also give a hundred female slaves, with golden collars, belonging to the country of the Magadhas, and of very youthful age. If that does not satisfy the person that discovers Arjuna to me, I will make him a more valuable gift, that, indeed, which he himself will solicit. sons, wives and articles of pleasure and enjoyment that I have, these all I shall give him if he desires them.

Reference - Karna Parva: Section 38

On 17th day of war, Karna said that if anyone tell him the location of arjuna then he can give away his wife and children to him.
To be frank, nothing happened to find out arjuna. Soldiers were still standing there hailing the name of karna. Its not like they began to run away here and there to search arjuna as they knew very well real meaning of that statement
Ashwatthama, Duryodhana and all warriors began to praise karna because all of them knew very well that karna didn't offered his wife to anyone rather those words were spoken by him to motivate his army for fight.
These words showed loyalty of karna for his duty (to face enemy as soon as possible).
Sanjaya praised Karna for such motivating speech and it raise the confidence of kuru warriors :

Having uttered those diverse speeches in that battle, Karna blew his excellent conch, sea-born and producing a sweet blare. Hearing these words of Suta's son that were suitable to his disposition, Duryodhana, O king, with all his followers became filled with joy. At that juncture the beat of cymbals and drums and leonine shouts, and grunts of elephants with the sounds of diverse musical instruments, arose there, O king, among the (Kaurava) troops, O bull among men. The shouts also of warriors filled with joy arose there.

Reference - Karna Parva: Section 38

Statement of Lord Krishna :

that Phalguna than whom I have no dearer friend on earth, that friend to whom there is nothing that I cannot give including my very wives and children, that dear friend Partha of unstained acts, never said unto me, O brahmana, such words as these which thou hast uttered.

Reference - Sauptika Parva: Section 12

After kurushetra battle, Lord krishna said to Ashwatthama that if arjuna asked for his wives then he could have given away his wives to arjuna
To be frank, krishna would have killed arjuna if he ever made such demand but still krishna wanted to show that he is loyal to his friendship
These words of lord krishna showed his loyalty for his friendship (he can do anything for arjuna)

Overall, Karna and lord krishna were not noble enough to share their wives with anyone. Arjuna alone could do this noble act. Infact arjuna said that he will draupadi and he did it as per his words.

Statement of Arjuna :

"Arjuna, hearing this, replied, 'O king, do not make me a participator in sin. Thy behest is not conformable to virtue. That is the path followed by the sinful. Thou shouldst wed first, then the strong-armed Bhima of inconceivable feats, then myself, then Nakula, and last of all, Sahadeva endued with great activity. Both Vrikodara and myself, and the twins and this maiden also, all await, O monarch, thy commands.

Reference - Adi Parva: Swayamvara Parva: Section CLXLIII