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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Priya_Vrisha

Hi myself Priya , I have included Vrisha in my Id name because one of the Karna's names was Vrisha ( which is my favorite name due its meaning )

Krishna told Arjuna why Karna is called Vrisha.
Shloka 24 of Chapter-155 of Drona parva , BORI critical edition of Mahabharata.

" Brahmanya Satyawadi Cha Tapasvi Niyatavrata
Ripushvapi Dayavanasya Tasmat Karno Vrisha Smritah ."

English Translation by KMG -

" Devoted to Brahmanas, truthful in speech, engaged in penances, observant of vows,
Kind even unto foes, for these reasons Karna is called Vrisha. "

( This verse was used as Bhishma's theme song in Starplus Mahabharat , but is was originally dedicated to Karna )

Eagerly waiting for The show, Die Hard Karna fan and Teju fan since Swaragini ❤️
I always wanted to visualize Karn's lovestory, I have read the Novel "Karna's wife " 2 years ago. Thanks to Shahi Sumeet production house , that we got an opportunity to Visualise it with beautiful starcast. I'm already loving the Pair of Tejasswi and Aashim. #AashWi #UrviKa

I expect that show would keep the content intact.


Hello. You seem to have read the epic. I am genuinely curious how a person, especially a woman, can admire Karna after reading any authentic translation of the epic.
P.S. I don't mean to be offensive and I'll apologize if I came across as such. I really am curious.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: RadheyaUruvi



Hi . If people can admire pandavas even after reading authentic version then nothing wrong if people admire karna after reading authentic version. I have read all authentic versions and Karna is the best character of mahabharata. Plz go through BORI critical edition and find truth


I do have BORI CE translated by Bibek Debroy and I've read the first volume. That's exactly why I was asking. Amazing how everyone reads the same thing yet has a different opinion. To each his own I guess.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: SweetRogue


I do have BORI CE translated by Bibek Debroy and I've read the first volume. That's exactly why I was asking. Amazing how everyone reads the same thing yet has a different opinion. To each his own I guess.



I m not offended at all. But because I have read Entire Mahabharat KMG And BORI both , and have started hating Yudhisthira the most. If one can like Serial criminals like pandvas then why one can't love Karna in whom even Lord Krishna couldn't find more than One mistake.

Not only I have read Mahabharat, But I can debate with you on any topic of Mahabharata quoting Sanskrit verses and it's English - Hindi translation. I m comfortable using Sanskrit, English and Hindi in debate.

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Posted: 6 years ago
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I m new to India forums so just don't know about the rules of posting Screenshots , and It doesn't allow Devnagari script so that I can quote in Sanskrit. Can anyone experienced Fellow help me here ?
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Posted: 6 years ago
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I don't think this is the right place to debate such things as it is an introductory post. But I myself enjoy good debates. Looking forward to some healthy discussions once the show starts.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: RadheyaUruvi

True. Everyone has rights to choose right and wrong. I have read sanskrit BORI critical edition neutrally so we all like Karn. Dont know about point of view of others. Karn was much better person as compare to Pandavas. If you read debroy translation then how can you miss murder of nishad woman and kids by pandavas during varnavrat episode. Swargarohini parv itself proves that karn was the best human being


I am not a devotee of anyone, not even Krishna Vaasudev, as I am an athiest. The Pandavas did what they did to survive(though I think it was Kunti and Yudhishtira who took that decision and Bheem who burnt the house). But I also recall reading that Karna along with Shakuni was involved in Bhima's poisoning by Duryodhan. I also recall that Karna was an active participant in the jatu griha conspiracy. How does this make him far better than the Pandavas? At least Kunti and Yudhishtira burnt the Nishadas for survival. Duryodhan, Karna and Shakuni planned to do the same thing only for power.

I recall the Adi parva starting like this:-
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Duryodhana is the overarching Tree of Fury/Grief (personified), Karna is its trunk and Shakuni its branches. Dusshasana (personifies) its blossoms and fruits, its roots are (personified by) the wise king Dhritarashtra.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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This is what Krishna said about Karna's mistakes just before ordering Arjun to shoot to kill.

Sanjaya said, 'Then Vasudeva, stationed on the car, addressed Karna, saying, "By good luck it is, O son of Radha, that thou rememberest virtue! It is generally seen that they that are mean, when they sink into distress, rail at Providence but never at their own misdeeds. Thyself and Suyodhana and Duhshasana and Shakuni, the son of Subala, had caused Draupadi, clad in a single piece of raiment, to be brought into the midst of the assembly. On that occasion, O Karna, this virtue of thine did not manifest itself. When at the assembly Shakuni, an adept in dice, vanquished Kunti's son Yudhishthira who was unacquainted with it, whither had this virtue of thine gone? When the Kuru king (Duryodhana), acting under thy counsels, treated Bhimasena in that way with the aid of snakes and poisoned food, whither had this virtue of thine then gone? When the period of exile into the woods was over as also the thirteenth year, thou didst not make over to the Pandavas their kingdom. Whither had this virtue of thine then gone? Thou didst set fire to the house of lac at Varanavata for burning to death the sleeping Pandavas. Whither then, O son of Radha, had this virtue of thine gone? Thou laughedest at Krishna while she stood in the midst of the assembly, scantily dressed because in her season and obedient to Duhshasana's will, whither, then, O Karna, had this virtue of thine gone? When from the apartment reserved for the females innocent Krishna was dragged, thou didst not interfere. Whither, O son of Radha, had this virtue of thine gone? Thyself addressing the princess Draupadi, that lady whose tread is as dignified as that of the elephant, in these words, viz., 'The Pandavas, O Krishna, are lost. They have sunk into eternal hell. Do thou choose another husband!' thou lookedest on the scene with delight. Whither then, O Karna, had this virtue of thine gone? Covetous of kingdom and relying on the ruler of the Gandharvas, thou summonedest the Pandavas (to a match of dice). Whither then had this virtue of thine gone? When many mighty car-warriors, encompassing the boy Abhimanyu in battle, slew him, whither had this virtue of thine then gone? If this virtue that thou now invokest was nowhere on those occasions, what is the use then of parching thy palate now, by uttering that word? Thou art now for the practice of virtue, O Suta, but thou shalt not escape with life. Like Nala who was defeated by Pushkara with the aid of dice but who regained his kingdom by prowess, the Pandavas, who are free from cupidity, will recover their kingdom by the prowess of their arms, aided with all their friends. Having slain in battle their powerful foes, they, with the Somakas, will recover their kingdom. The Dhartarashtras will meet with destruction at the hands of those lions among men (viz., the sons of Pandu), that are always protected by virtue!'"

"Sanjaya continued, 'Thus addressed, O Bharata, by Vasudeva, Karna hung down his head in shame and gave no answer.



http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08091.htm

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Posted: 6 years ago
#38
And this:
Yudhishtir was a gambler and an excuse for a ruler, but at least, he had the excuse of desperation when he staked his wife.

Karna quite happily offered his wives and sons to whoever would help him kill Krishna and Arjuna. Wonder what the fictional wife in this show will have to say about that?



If that does not satisfy the person that discovers Arjuna to me, I will make him a more valuable gift, that, indeed, which he himself will solicit. Sons, wives and articles of pleasure and enjoyment that I have, these all I shall give him if he desires them. Indeed, unto him who discovers Keshava and Arjuna to me, I shall, after slaying those two, give all the wealth that may be left by them


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Posted: 6 years ago
#39
What do you call Karna's trafficking of women and children then? Business? Also, Karna was the one who actually maligned everyone on the basis of caste.

Shalya said, "The abandonment of the afflicted and the sale of wives and children are, O Karna, prevalent amongst the Angas whose king thou art.

Also, in the link I provided, please note how many groups Karna insults, esp by caste.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08045.htmp
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Posted: 6 years ago
#40
Krishna was mocking Karna. He understood it and refused the offer. Sadly, his fan club clings to the offer
Casteist sex trafficker who offered his own wives and kids as slaves is now a hero.

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