The mind vs the Heart! - Thread - I need You! (Day 17); pg 28 - Page 10

Originally posted by: twinkle10

Originally posted by: twinkle10

Shall reply to you soon my bus buddy ;)

Okays so finallyyy I can return to my manan world.

Thanks again as usual for mentioning and describing such moments that I never got down to doing. Lol I've started believing we're like two halves of the same heart too now ;) haha

I'm glad you brought up the scene of panditji, nyonijka and Manik. To some extent did you realise his adamancy fior being selected for the fusion concert. I mean for a second I thought Nyonika would back out and would just let it go when the panditiji said that she has no right to chose the second performer for the concert but our Manik baby didn't give up. He fought for that position because his so-called "hatred" for Nandini was far more than his annoyance with the panditji. The hatred that tells the story of his love. As they say, we tend to hate only those who we love unconditionally. His mind's motif may be to moment after moment, make Nandini realise of just how much pain he's capable of inflicting. But his inner-consciousness yearned for something else altogether. His nights had already become so dark, daunting and lonely. He couldn't stand the thought of having to spend his days without her presence either. He needed her around to stay calm. He needed her around to stay strong and sane He needed her around to stay alive. "Why can't I keep myself away from her?" "Why can't I send her away from my life?" "What's stopping me from moving on?" ... The concert is merely just an excuse to avoid answering such questions from the heart. His heart overpowers his mind, he knows that. But he's stubborn. Just like her.

Good job partner for providing the reasons of Nandini's reluctance! Well said. Nandini can tolerate pain on herself, but she would never tolerate if Manik willingly or unwillingly hurts his music. He may not know himself, but she knows exactly the importance and value of music in his life. I had wirtten in some other post to that I'll rewrite here that she knows without music, he'll just be a hollow soul. Music is the reason he is able to feel emotions... it gave birth to his emotions for Nandini. It made him realise that no he can be Manik too. Just Manik. And so Nandini would never want that in his frustration for her, he ends up inflicting pain onto himself.

Oh man how I just love those moments when he voices something to nandini in his rather mocking and sarcastic tone and she stands there in assurance that he in fact means the opposite. Our innocent Nandini doesn't realise that over time, our Manik has learned how to mask the meanings of his words too. He has a habit of wrapping his truthful words in the gift-wrap of lies and taunts and then he gifts them to her. It's so he doesn't instigate a further war-like atmosphere inside him; between the mind and the heart.

That was such a beautiful scene too when he thanks her before he even fetches out the safety pins out of her bag. And the beauty of the scene was because unknowingly his mind just experienced another taste of defeat. He unknowingly told us the audience and Nandini herself that he knows her quite deeply himself. When she stood there confused as to what possibly could be in her bag that would be of assistance to him, he confidently searched the bag knowing that if she is the cause of the problem, the solution lays with her as well. That understanding he has of her was simply adoring.

Dudee... you described that song sequence so thoroughly and with such precision yourself. You're absolutely right that though they didn't show, but as soon as he closed his eyes, the memories of their togetherness just flooded his eyes and his pain escalated to a new level. That transition of his panicking look when he doesn't find her straight away upon opening his eyes, to the relief his heart feels when he spots her in the corner of the room was so heartfelt. But then he spotted his tears and he once again went through a different intensity of pain altogether. The pain of knowing that he was the reason of those tears. He was the reason her heart wept. He was the reason her soul now stood alone. Just how godly and self-sacrificing his love his for her that upon seeing her pain, his heart tends to forget the miseries that he himself is experiencing.

You know another thing I was thinking. So as we all know that the new battle we will soon be witnessing in the show has been titled "Hope vs Hatred". Where Nandini's hope has openly challenged Manik's hatred. But if we think about it, isn't it Manik himself who has given her the ray of hope? Isn't it he who has ignited that confidence once again that she is capable of winning his heart over? Isn't it he who has allowed her to re-step into his life, his bubble of space; in order to convince him that she is the one for him and he is the one for her. He has already bowed down to her in defeat before this battle has even begun. He has already started to trust her again. He has trusted her on that she won't let his hatred outwin her love. He has trusted her that she will be successful in healing his broken heart. He has trusted her that she will be the reason he listens to his heart one day. It's a rather complicated thought, I know.. just like our Manik but it's one which proves that he had never really stopped loving her, trusting her.

Sorry Sorry Sorry for the lateness of this response! Hope you've been well otherwise :)

Speak soon!

Twinkie <3

Originally posted by: maankigeet4ever

Okies..so thankfully we are both on the same page.

love triangle is such a old, tried and tested formula that i didn't expect the Cvs to go for it, not at this stage of Manan's relationship. it's too clinched for me.

While jealousy can be a attractive trait to a certain extent, for a couple to know how much they mean to each other, that they don't like anyone's closeness with another person. i use this phrase: Love is close friends with jealousy. Jealousy may work but insecurity never works in a relationship.

I would like to agree with you and hope that this track will lead to Manik's self- realisation that he does indeed need her more than he thinks he does. Now he fears losing her, how he can't bear to lose the light of his existence. But manik doesn't even need to worry. They should already be secure. They already mean the world to each other. Just because they are not 'together' doesn't mean they are apart from one another. Hence this love triangle won't work..

I am also very iffy about the promo. Let's see how all this plays out. Maybe the Cvs will surprise us with something amazing.

- Reya aka Sunny <3

Originally posted by: maankigeet4ever

i do believe this spot belongs to moi

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Hola my girl..well Monday is finally here. Today's episode was a good set up episode for the rest of the week. The jealously has apparently kick started. And may god save Manik and the viewers...i am so ready :P

I gotta admit, the mind had a strong finish today not that the heart wasn't there putting a strong fight as well but let us explore today's scenes.I absolutely loved how Manan came to the same place: their meeting place, their staircase for solitude It's their place of memories, of their budding love, a place of happier times. In past when they were coming together, they met on the same side of the staircase. Today they met with on opposite sides, with the railing in between. While they are walking separately, there are still so strongly bonded. Their bodies still touch through the barrier of the railing. Very soon, they will be once again of the same side of the staircase.

He claims he can't live with her but makes a bigger declaration: He can't live without her. This is the biggest truth of his life, it even trumps his love realisation. because love may change, we can learn not to love someone but the need for a person to survive, that's lifelong. He can't live without her: the heart contradicts his mind that so confidently says: I can't live you claims Manik Maltorta, so he doesn't need his light to survive. Oh the struggle is so real. The way he clenches his fists, it's not in anger. It's in constraint because he is dying to touch her, to pull her into his arms..to give his damn heart some much neededrelief. The tug of Nandini's arms, the pull. the push he does so often nowadays speaks of his struggle. He needs her close but he can't, he can't let her close because they are at battle now. His hatred and her hope. Oh my hopeless babies. I already said that there is no hate. There is no hate for Manik baba. Hate is such a strong emotion and because there is a fine line between love and hate, I believe you can only feel one or other at a time.. and honestly it's so hard to come back from hate. To relearn to love someone after you hate them: doesn't happen often in life and that's the truth. he is only capable of feeling love for this girl. She is his shining star after all. she is still fighting the darkness for him. She is still fighting for that smile of his she loves.

And even today, he guides her. Music is his reason for smiling. Nope Manik, nandini is your reason for smiling but no worries, i let you get away with this one. Music soothes him, heals him and when does Manik make his best music ? Well, he does it with his lucky charm. Like you had said in a post: she is the lyrics to his music. There is hope if there are able to sing together after 10 days. Well good job boy, give your girl all you can. Tell her to fight to be his music again.

Another very significant scene for me today was Manik simply telling Fab 4 that he is going solo to perform with Nandu for the fusion concert. Once again, Nandini takes priority over Fab 5. Manik is done playing mother hen to these 4. While he will still be there when they need him, he has other priorities, along the lines of making a certain someone 'suffer'. It's sad how his friends believe that he will mess with his music just to mess with Nandini. Manik respects his music far too much to use it a weapon in their battle. Mukti says: isn't he taking it too far with Nandini ? and he replies honestly: He is gone too far with Nandini. Truer words have never been spoken. Yes, he is gone too far, too far in love with her to ever walk away ( please note, even today Nandu walks away both times. I told you, my MM doesn't do the walking away in their relationship..lol) Only my Cabs knows the magnitude of their love and he is always freaking honest. Love this statement: if Nandini is around, Manik is bound to be close..lol.

Oh oh..i almost forgot to talk about face value scene. Manik is forever helping his girl, no, not by giving her water but teaching her another lesson. He knows she is still innocent, still too naive so he decides to teach her a lesson and get some payback ( yeah, he still remembers that she cut his guitar strap) Manik says don't take everything at face value, don't believe everything someone says. He is referringto their earlier conversations.A part of him is hurt that she still trusts him so that she believes that he means it when he says he will make her suffer.( just like at musicana time: he asked himself: How could she just believe me ? How could she believe that he meant to hurt her ?) He has mocking,sarcastic way of himself where he coats the turth as underlayer and tends to be sarcastic most of the time just like he sarcastically mocks her and her hope near the end of the episode. nandini is only human too, while she uses sees through him most of the time, past his smug, badass persona; once a while she doesn't read him as well. But the water prank is gonna come back to haunt him when someone else catches his girl. He promised once: I will always catch you when you fall and now he won't. Let that burn a little Manik, it's meant to.

I also quite like the budding friendship between Mukti and Navs. friendship equations are changing and i am glad Fab 5 are finding friendship outside their group. New people, new friendships, they expand our horizons, give us new perception. So Navya is good support for Mukti's character and plus Abhi has brought a huge change in her life. Life suddenly becomes much more clear when you are falling in love with a person who is on limited time ( imagine that: limited time to love someone, so utterly devasting) and i am still baffled at her immaturity tounderstand Manan's love for each other but i got hope for the girl. It's Alya i have no hope for..lol.

Okies, i think i am done. Awesomely written as always my love. You the star :D

Edited: wait wait, hold the reply train please ! even thou you aren't replying yet..lol. Reya forgot her beautiful moment. I always have one. Will guess mine ? It's when he tells; " i can't live without you !" how he tries so desperately but he can't stay away from her. Oh all that love laced with pain,frustrationand agony. Every mask he ever wore shed when he made thatdeclaration. Such love, such beauty.

Love as always,

Reya aka Sunny <3

Originally posted by: twinkle10

Okies so let's continue the tradition of replies haha

Alrightey so you can see I used two two colours today. So the purple highlights the phrases which actually involuntarily made me laugh. The way you just phrased your thoughts there was too good. And the best thing about all of these phrases is despite their laughter-ability, they were still so true. haha

I want to start from talking about the face value scene actually, because clearly nothing was mentioned of that scene on my behalf. (See good job partner, you noticing and completing the other half of my analysis haha). That scene could have been just taken into so many references. Not taking anything he says on face value was the prime focus of that scene, but to some extent I feel he went back in time to when Nyonika manipulated the truth and opted for the mask of being a caring and loyal mother. Wasn't it then that Nandini was unable to see behind that facade too and take her for face value? His wound bled again yesterday, but he put on that ever-so sexy, yet evil grin of his and didn't bring up the pain of old wounds. He couldn't see her in tears again. He couldn't see her confidence wavering again. How would he be able to stop her if she herself decided to leave him this time? He couldn't afford to take the risk. Hence, he indirectly made it seem like that he was referring to the conversations and confrontations they've had throughout the day. Honestly, I feel that he was trying to cover up for his heart's actions in the previous scene. He wanted to mask his statement that he couldn't live without her and he was hoping that she would believe him when he said to not take him on face value. To not believe him. But as I mentioned before. Manik baby, the beautiful blunder has already been done. The mistake of pouring your heart out to your lady love.

That staircase scene was a purely Manan's time to spend quality time together and for that reason I guess I spent the most time analysing it lol. Because when Manik's face and eyes start doing more talking than his lips, we know his heart has overtaken the mind completely. I just seem to never get enough of the restless mood of his when he is trying very hard to restrain himself from pulling her into him. That fight seems so much more real, so much more believable and I absolutely lose track of myself in those moments.I That scene was just awe-worthy when he realises that there is a railing between them and he doesn't know how to get rid of it. He wanted to just push it out of the way or rip it out of the ground so nothing could stop him from feeling her against him, He wanted to run down the stairs and run by GoPhoto.it V9.0" style="border: none !important; display: inline-block !important; text-indent: 0px !important; float: none !important; font-weight: bold !important; height: auto !important; margin: 0px !important; min-height: 0px !important; min-width: 0px !important; padding: 0px !important; text-transform: uppercase !important; text-decoration: underline !important; vertical-align: baseline !important; width: auto !important; background: transparent !important;">back up on the other side where she was standing but he didn't have that much patience so he just tugged her right there, at that moment, pretending that no railing existed there at all.

He replied to her; that music will makes him smile but how rightly you pointed out that he's in fact in denial. I mean after all, he thought about it for a whole night and again wrapped the words of truth in a paper of false testimony and then gifted it to her. He only told her half the truth. He didn't tell her that she in fact is the music that resides in him. Nandini is the biggest truth of his life, the sole song of his entire music existence. She is his inspiration to sing, emote and play. She is his focus that motivates him to bring out the best in him. Nandini is another name for his music. And I'm actually so so so happy that they'll be practicing and performing together. The fact he says that IF they survive by the end of this concert, then only there is hope... it's all a lie. Again he wanted to give her an excuse for the hope he's given her. He wanted to make it more difficult for her because the mind scolded him for letting him giver her hope of togetherness. He wanted her to take her steps back. But she wasn't falling in this trap again. She knew he had hope himself for which reason he confessed there is hope.

Manik's revelation to the fab 4 about the fusion concert was a rather pleasant surprise. For a second you could see the hesitation in his voice, the guilt of leaving his family behind. But this change I feel was necessary. It's about time my Manik thinks for himself. Thinks about his happiness, thinks about his sorrows, thinks about his life. He has only sacrificed time after time and my heart still weeps for him at times. He didn't deserve the dark and misery-filled life he's lived all his life. He didn't deserve to have to mask his pain behind his "monster Manik" persona just because he had no one to share his pain with. But not anymore! Now it's his time to sing for himself, live for himself an love for himself. At the same time I really hope this fusion concert doesn't take a transitional turn onto the road of Fab5 separation. No matter how they all me be individually and despite how their negativities and positivities as an individual, I've always admired the bond that Fab 5 have shared.they found solace in each other's presence, they discovered a family in each other's affection and care. So as much as I want Manik and Nandini to tread on their music journey together, I don't want having to see Fab 5 break. Because we all know it, my Manik baby will suffer the most. He was, are and always be the family he never had. Yes Nandini is his life but they are family that makes his life complete.

Dude I have like no idea where Dhruliya are heading. Or are the CV's trying to contrast the maturity of Manan's relationship as compared the more common type of relationships that exist in today's world. Me so confused. And I've got to admit that last line you said about Aliya made me laugh the most hahaha

I'm actually excited to see what unfolds with tmrw's episode. Not so much for the jealousy track but I know Manik's emotions will peak tomorrow. I'm excited to watch Parth portray the role of a jealous Manik because we both know we have that soft corner for that angry, intense and passionate Manik that awakes when Nandini starts to drive him crazy.

Okay so like a MASSIVE WARNING: Beware of grammar/ spelling mistakes because this last few paragraphs were written via phone. Lol!
Oh and dw... I used my saddist sisterly instincts to figure out your favourite scene before you told me. It obviously had to be the same one as me :P

Lots of love...
Twinkie <3

Originally posted by: twinkle10

If it was only in the hands of the heart, he would've cried and cradled her in his arms and whispered his truth to her in such a way that his voice's echo would remain in her blood, her heart, her mind, her soul for the forever number of years of their togetherness. But his mind still held a firm grip on him. He held her close to him, but with a fine line of railing between the two. He gifted her his heart's honesty, but within seconds, he challenged the notion of their reunion. It was already too late though. What Nandini's heart had been yearning to hear had finally come into revelation. Now there was no turning back. It was either a do or die situation. She knew life without him was one she couldn't imagine. She knew his absence would mean that there remains no other meaning to her life, her existence, her identity. She knew that if she lost him this time, she would lose herself in this world that was almost a stranger to her if he wasn't beside her. "So it means there's hope..." The sparkle in her eyes returned today. The sparkle which could light up his whole world. It was almost as if she has just learnt how to breathe again. The hope of eradicating all traces of pain from his heart was still existing. The hope of making him believe in love, in his Nandini, was still breathing. The hope of rescuing him from this never-ending darkness was still shining. The hope of motivating him to give into his heart and ignore the mind altogether was still alive. He tried his best to set that hope ablaze with his anger, aggression and so-called "hatred", but she knew he was hiding again. Hiding behind that mask which was full of tears, rips, breaks and holes. The tighter he tried to grab onto the mask, the more it tore and the easier it became for her to see right through him. Oh just how innocently my Manik tries to portray his anger again in order to convince her that there is a better chance of him not being able to live with her than without her. How hard he tries to struggle with his heart because he wants her to try and believe, he wants her to believe that he's capable of being a monster, he's capable of hating her, and he's capable of maintaining his distance.