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Posted: 8 years ago
Wow very intriguing piece , TFS lashy di...😃

u hv done some really hard work all these research , i wonder how did you managed all these ?

Originally posted by: lashy

Mansabdars

Ok... Mansabdari/Jagirdari system is an extremely complex system... and when Akbar started it off there were about 8000 Mansabdars (went up to approx 15,000 by end of Aurangazeb's reign) - with 66 ranks... so, I'll give a basic gist... also there are differences/exceptions in many cases... I only used those parts of it that'll be helpful for my story...

So, please don't use this as reference, just a general explanation...

Mansabdar just means officer - can be civil (like Heera's father was) or Military (like AMK shall be)

I'll describe the military based Mansabars

Military Mansabdars (most common type) - maintained a portion of men for army. They also collected tax & handed it to Emperor.

Lowest ranking Mansabdars took care of about 10 horsemen. Highest ranking about 10,000.

2500 horsemen and above were called Amirs.

The higher Mansabdari (5000 horsemen and above) were only granted to royals and their aristocratic relatives.

Now Mansabdars needed a large place to hold/take care of/maintain these men. So, apart from the salaries they received, they were also given land grants/lands (jagirs). Generally, Mansabdars were not in charge of administration of the lands they were in charge of - the land was only meant as a revenue to maintain the army men. (Jagirdars used to collect tax hand it to Mansabdars.. in some cases, Jagirdars and Mansabdars were the same, in some places they were different etc etc)

Now, in order to make sure that these Mansabdars didn't act like Lord of the Land' Akbar was very clever and ensured that these Mansabdars were transferred every three years (much like how Govt/bank officers are transferred today so they don't become Lord and Boss of their departments) Also, their positions/salaries/Mansabdari wealth etc was not hereditary - to help keep corruption to a minimum.

However, in special cases, exceptions were made. And sometimes, the lands that the Mansabdar were on, were granted to the family as permanent holding - Watan jagir/homeland jagir it was called. Watan Jagirs were hereditary and non-transferable.

Again there were different cases of Watan Jagirs too. Most common example was where ancestral property was permanently given to family (like in Heera's case). Sometimes, for a particularly favourite Mansabdar, the land could be permanently granted in his care and remained with his family after his demise. (Which automatically meant the family were being cared for even after the demise of the Mansabdar).

Now THIS is the clause/term AMK was referring to when he said a Special Mansabdar, but permanently posted at Parnagarh (I would have to go into ALL these details of the Mughal administration system... if I had to describe it - so kept it simple)

Anyway, by the time of Aurangazeb's era, the Mansabdari system had become a corrupt system.. there were different officers, different parts of the country, using these laws to their advantage...

and Akbar basically did something like this...

Footnote

Akbar was the architect of the Mansabdari system.

It was an amazing system started by Akbar... but as the years went on, it fell apart...

There were many clauses to ensure it remained smooth - for e.g. that the Mansabdars didn't ill-treat the people they were in charge of (like peasants couldn't be overtaxed during famine etc) but many didn't pay heed to it.

Corrupt Mansabdars used to hand in their record-books saying they were taking care of thousands of army men, and receive high salaries in return, when in reality they would only maintain hundreds.

And whenever there used to be an inspection, they would round up barbers/slaves/farmers etc dress them up like soldiers and present them to the inspector. (Even Akbar has mentioned how he saw this happening, but was unable to come up with proper solution to do away with this practise)

As time went by, they started catering to their own families. Even if Mansabdari system was not hereditary, a Mansabdar's son would somehow get a lot of advantage and get easy promotions to high ranking Mansab...

AMK was at a time, where he saw nobles taking advantage of the system day in day out. When the circumstances were bad, he also took advantage of the system, like the other officers of his time... to save the lady of his life.😊

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: Sabdabhala

HI LASHY, I AM LAVANYA

THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I AM ACTUALLY INTERACTING WITH YOU ON YOUR STORIES

Hi Lavanya.. welcome here... 🤗

I LOVED YOUR NJAPA AND I STILL READ IT SEVERAL TIMES. I ONLY STARTED READING IT AFTER YOU HAD FINISHED IT, SO IT WAS EASIER FOR ME, COZ THERE WAS NO WAITING

Oh wow you read NJAPA many times? I am so glad to hear that...

I USUALLY DONT LIKE WAITING FOR UPDATES 😆 AND THEREFORE I USUALLY DONT READ STORIES TILL THEY ARE FINISHED.

I understand 😆

BUT SINCE SHYAMALA AUNTY, SARASWATHI AUNTY, VIDYA AND SANDHYA HAD PRAISED IT SO MUCH, I COULD NOT WAIT, AND I STARTED READING THIS STORY ONLY A FEW WEEKS AGO

Thank you Shyamala aunty, Saraswathi aunty, Vidya and Sandhya 😆🤗

I MUST ADMIT TWO THINGS -


FIRST, THE INITIAL FEW CHAPTERS, WHEN READ AT ONE GO, WERE QUITE CONFUSING. I ACTUALLY HAD TO READ THEM MULTIPLE TIMES TO GET THE HANG OF IT

Oooh😲
Ok any doubt you still have... I'm here... haazir... to answer them!

AND SECOND, THAT YOU HAVE A WAY WITH WORDS. THE STYLE OF WRITING IS SO DIFFERENT IN BOTH STORIES THAT IT ACTUALLY AMAZES ME - NJAPA WAS FAIRLY STRAIGHTFORWARD BUT THIS ONE IS VEILED, SUBTLE AND UNDERSTATED. AND THE DIFFERENCE IS NOT JUST OWING TO THE SETTING, ITS MAINLY OWING TO YOUR WRITING STYLE

you're probably the first one to mention it.. I mean yes NJAPA and HBAS are two different worlds altogether... but that you noticed different styles of writing too - that's that's errr tough🤔... can I take it as a compliment? 😃

IN HINDI THERE IS A WORD CALLED "THEHERAAV" WHICH, LOOSELY TRANSLATED, MEANS STABILITY. I FEEL A DISTINCT SENSE OF ROCK SOLID STABILITY IN YOUR WRITING, WHICH GETS PASSED ON TO YOUR CHARACTERS TOO

Thank you.. one more new word I learnt today Theheraav...
Great to get to know you, Lavanya
thanks a lot... and can I hope that we'd get to see more of your comments and your presence here 🤗

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: cute.manasi

Wow very intriguing piece , TFS lashy di...😃

u hv done some really hard work all these research , i wonder how did you managed all these ?


Thanks dear 🤗
This Mansabdari system research thingy though I wouldn't take credit for... it was lazy research ... like AMK I basically used loopholes in it to my advantage 😆
Edited by lashy - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: lashy


Thanks dear 🤗
This Mansabdari system research thingy though I wouldn't take credit for... it was lazy research ... like AMK I basically used loopholes in it to my advantage 😆


😆😆

any history books you prefer ?
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Posted: 8 years ago
Agree with Manu di... Very informative piece Lashy di⭐️⭐️
You have researched a lot for HBAS 👏
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: lashy

Mansabdars

Ok... Mansabdari/Jagirdari system is an extremely complex system... and when Akbar started it off there were about 8000 Mansabdars (went up to approx 15,000 by end of Aurangazeb's reign) - with 66 ranks... so, I'll give a basic gist... also there are differences/exceptions in many cases... I only used those parts of it that'll be helpful for my story...

So, please don't use this as reference, just a general explanation...

Mansabdar just means officer - can be civil (like Heera's father was) or Military (like AMK shall be)

I'll describe the military based Mansabars

Military Mansabdars (most common type) - maintained a portion of men for army. They also collected tax & handed it to Emperor.

Lowest ranking Mansabdars took care of about 10 horsemen. Highest ranking about 10,000.

2500 horsemen and above were called Amirs.

The higher Mansabdari (5000 horsemen and above) were only granted to royals and their aristocratic relatives.

Now Mansabdars needed a large place to hold/take care of/maintain these men. So, apart from the salaries they received, they were also given land grants/lands (jagirs). Generally, Mansabdars were not in charge of administration of the lands - the land was only meant as a revenue to maintain the army men. (Jagirdars used to collect tax hand it to Mansabdars.. in some cases, Jagirdars and Mansabdars were the same, in some places they were different etc etc)

In order to make sure that these Mansabdars didn't act like Lord of the Land' Akbar was very clever and ensured that these Mansabdars were transferred every three years (much like how Govt/bank officers are transferred today so they don't become Lord and Boss of their departments) Also, their positions/salaries/Mansabdari wealth etc was not hereditary - to help keep corruption to a minimum.

However, in special cases, exceptions were made. And sometimes, the lands were granted to the Mansabdar as a permanent holding - Watan jagir/homeland jagir it was called. Watan Jagirs were hereditary and non-transferable.

Again there were different cases of Watan Jagirs too. Most common example was where ancestral property was permanently given to family (like in Heera's case). Sometimes, for a particularly favourite Mansabdar, the land could be permanently granted in his care and remained with his family after his demise. (Which automatically meant the family were being cared for even after the demise of the Mansabdar).

Now THIS is the clause/term AMK was referring to when he said a Special Mansabdar, but permanently posted at Parnagarh (I would have to go into ALL these details of the Mughal administration system... if I had to describe it - so kept it simple)

Anyway, by the time of Aurangazeb's era, the Mansabdari system had become a corrupt system.. there were different officers, different parts of the country, using these laws to their advantage...

and Akbar basically did something like this...

Footnote

Akbar was the architect of the Mansabdari system.

It was an amazing system started by Akbar... but as the years went on, it fell apart...

There were many clauses to ensure it remained smooth - for e.g. that the Mansabdars didn't ill-treat the people they were in charge of (like peasants couldn't be overtaxed during famine etc) but many didn't pay heed to it.

Corrupt Mansabdars used to hand in their record-books saying they were taking care of thousands of army men, and receive high salaries in return, when in reality they would only maintain hundreds.

And whenever there used to be an inspection, they would round up barbers/slaves/farmers etc dress them up like soldiers and present them to the inspector. (Even Akbar has mentioned how he saw this happening, but was unable to come up with proper solution to do away with this practise)

As time went by, they started catering to their own families. Even if Mansabdari system was not hereditary, a Mansabdar's son would somehow get a lot of advantage and get easy promotions to high ranking Mansab...

AMK was at a time, where he saw nobles taking advantage of the system day in day out. When the circumstances were bad, he also took advantage of the system, like the other officers of his time... to save the lady of his life.😊

v informative and in a simple lang u xplained lashy 👏thnx fr sharing...i did stumble upon dis info sply whch u mentioned in d footnote in ai ne akbari vol 2 i guess...abt d mansabadari sys...akbar was indeed a grt administrator no doubt⭐️
Edited by harshu27 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
Thank you so much, Lashy di. It was very informative. I hope , I didn't give you headache.you've given so much time in this.
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: harshu27

v informative and in a simple lang u xplained lashy 👏thnx fr sharing...i did stumble upon dis info sply whch u mentioned in d footnote in ai ne akbari vol 2 i guess...abt d mansabadari sys...akbar was indeed a grt administrator no doubt⭐️


yes Harshu
When Akbar started it off, he made sure only HE appointed the Mansabdars... and that they would have to periodically meet him (through a formal presentation called Nazr/Khilat) - that way there was a certain sense of loyalty... between Mansabdar and Emperor...

By the end of Aurangazeb's era, none of this was followed.
At one point, 80% of Mughal revenue was controlled by Mansabdars..
the Mansabdars began considering their Jagirs as their own hereditary kingdoms during Alamgir's rule and apparently, many never gave it up.

@ Manu - refer to the google e-book A short History of the Mughals, Another is Elites in South Asia

@ Yuvi and Adwi
The Farmaan which takes care of a Mansabdar's family after his demise is called Al-tamgha... I do not see records of it being commonly given.. definitely not to all mansabdars... more for the special/higher ranking ones...

I don't know if all this satisfied your doubts... lol... but I've tried...

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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: lashy



@ Manu - refer to the google e-book A short History of the Mughals, Another is Elites in South Asia



ok...😳
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Apt and so so beautiful 😃

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