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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: alffim

For me, Khalil was with initially a negative character, because to entrust to get "by any means" lawful Farman,, it is possible only be absolutely immoral person, ready to commit any crime. And Shachzade also, for me, has never been a positive character. He is intricate, but not originally a noble, just sometimes acting under rules of etiquette or religion. But for me Shachzade is always the person who will "cross" through any other person, if he will be know that he will be go unpunished. That is: what mister - such and servant.
After reading that Durga gave false Farman, I think that the question of "why she had not killed herself?" should be clear. She deliberately sacrificed himself to save his sister, give her time to win. It's like in the Great Patriotic War, our soldiers rushed breast on German embrasures and machine-guns to save others.


Completely agree with you. Like master like servant. The prince is holding back the reins because its not yet decided who'll succeed the emperor, he has many step brothers to give him a tough competition and manipulating with sultanat's rule can land him in jail. Have he been immune to punishment, he could have given Khalil a free hand to achieve his mission.

Regarding Durga's sacrifice, your pov is appropriate. Nobody thought like u.
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: lashy


What I feel, he is neither pessimistic nor bitter. Rather he is indifferent, aloof, emotionally detached. He may have a bitter past, which made him like this.


so you mean, inherently he wasn't like this... but was made into this
Yeah...
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Posted: 9 years ago
Heyyy buddy can you write your index of other chapters of this story dear.
Plzzz so I can read previous 😊
It's there on page 1

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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: mama17


Completely agree with you. Like master like servant. The prince is holding back the reins because its not yet decided who'll succeed the emperor, he has many step brothers to give him a tough competition and manipulating with sultanat's rule can land him in jail. Have he been immune to punishment, he could have given Khalil a free hand to achieve his mission.

Regarding Durga's sacrifice, your pov is appropriate. Nobody thought like u.


Shyamala aunty had asked the same question in another thread... why didn't Durga give him the fake farmaan earlier and save herself?
And zhanna's thoughts were what I'd explained there too...

1) The attack was unexpected. She was on the verge of escaping when she was pulled back. (Besides, at least for the sake of her position, she didn't expect to meet that sort of an end - which was unprecedented in those times.) Her life was in danger ever since she opposed the Shehzaade, so she was prepared to meet her end, though not the way it happened...

2) After that, things escalated too fast too far. She was in an emotional turmoil - having lost so many so soon... her fear for Heera & Parnagarh must have clouded everything else then... when everything around you is a fleeting blur, it's difficult to predict at which time what decision she must make...

3) Moreover, he demanded the farmaan where she was already in a wounded state. If she volunteered to give up the farmaan before that, it would seem obvious that something was fishy... and she wanted to avoid it. She must have also had the innate worry that if she handed the fake farmaan too soon, or without much of a battle, or something happened that Khalil found out then-and-there that it was fake... then consequences would be worse... and she might not be able to stop Khalil from going after Heera immediately thereafter...

4) All said and done, even if Durga had given the fake farmaan immediately (which Khalil assumed to be the real one anyway) she was to meet her end. If it was a serious conversation-cum-threat that they had come to make, they would have visited her at a proper time.

Instead, they came in the middle of the night - a stealth attack - to snatch away the farmaan and put the lady who'd been opposing the shehzaade for so long, to an end. When not one of her guards - not even her dogs - had been left alive, the warrior in her must know that they planned to end her life that night too...

And as mentioned, Shehzaade wouldn't have had a problem with Durga Sahiba's death... he said get the farmaan any which way.. his problem was with how Khalil lost his control, which was something he doesn't propogate! And which the Shehzaade knew, Khalil already knew ( haram in Islam)
But yes, had the farmaan been the original one, I do not think the Shehzaade would have had reacted this harshly...




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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: lashy


Shyamala aunty had asked the same question in another thread... why didn't Durga give him the fake farmaan earlier and save herself?
And zhanna's thoughts were what I'd explained there too...

1) The attack was unexpected. She was on the verge of escaping when she was pulled back. (Besides, at least for the sake of her position, she didn't expect to meet that sort of an end - which was unprecedented in those times.) Her life was in danger ever since she opposed the Shehzaade, so she was prepared to meet her end, though not the way it happened...

2) After that, things escalated too fast too far. She was in an emotional turmoil - having lost so many so soon... her fear for Heera & Parnagarh must have clouded everything else then... when everything around you is a fleeting blur, it's difficult to predict at which time what decision she must make...

3) Moreover, he demanded the farmaan where she was already in a wounded state. If she volunteered to give up the farmaan before that, it would seem obvious that something was fishy... and she wanted to avoid it. She must have also had the innate worry that if she handed the fake farmaan too soon, or without much of a battle, or something happened that Khalil found out then-and-there that it was fake... then consequences would be worse... and she might not be able to stop Khalil from going after Heera immediately thereafter...

4) All said and done, even if Durga had given the fake farmaan immediately (which Khalil assumed to be the real one anyway) she was to meet her end. If it was a serious conversation-cum-threat that they had come to make, they would have visited her at a proper time.

Instead, they came in the middle of the night - a stealth attack - to snatch away the farmaan and put the lady who'd been opposing the shehzaade for so long, to an end. When not one of her guards - not even her dogs - had been left alive, the warrior in her must know that they planned to end her life that night too...

And as mentioned, Shehzaade wouldn't have had a problem with Durga Sahiba's death... he said get the farmaan any which way.. his problem was with how Khalil lost his control, which was something he doesn't propogate! And which the Shehzaade knew, Khalil already knew ( haram in Islam)
But yes, had the farmaan been the original one, I do not think the Shehzaade would have had reacted this harshly...


Aah...Lashy; U r a writer par excellence.
Once I mentioned that readers need to read in between the lines too, to understand the story.
Everything can't be explained.
Btw, I wanted to ask u this since long. R u a writer by profession?
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: lashy

I had a debate with my lovely friend Divi (hope you don't mind Divi... but our messages prompted me to ask this here)

If you would have to describe Khan Sahib... would you say he's currently pessimistic or bitter?
Is it different? I don't know why I saw them as a similar 'descriptive' but Divi differs in thought...

is one trait less endearing than the other? 🤔

Bitter of course. He has cocooned himself from softer feelings lest he be hurt where it pains him most. But he is full of life vigor and can judge people well. He cares for Ibrahim, loves his horses and has a personal unique bond with his bahadur.

How can he be a pessimist when he sees perfection where everyone else see disability? Don't pessimists see and expect the worst in everything?

Neither traits are endearing actually. But a bitter person has hope and can anyway be appreciated if he has inherent goodness. He can even get interesting if he has dry humor or wit. But a pessimist is incorrigible.

Our AMK is no pessimist.😎


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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: mama17


Aah...Lashy; U r a writer par excellence.
Once I mentioned that readers need to read in between the lines too, to understand the story.
Everything can't be explained.
Btw, I wanted to ask u this since long. R u a writer by profession?


How sweet mama... ☺️

And no... I'm not a writer by profession...😳 in fact, I am/was a student of the sciences, though I did like arts too...
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Bitter of course. He has cocooned himself from softer feelings lest he be hurt where it pains him most. But he is full of life vigor and can judge people well. He cares for Ibrahim, loves his horses and has a personal unique bond with his bahadur.

How can he be a pessimist when he sees perfection where everyone else see disability? Don't pessimists see and expect the worst in everything?

Neither traits are endearing actually. But a bitter person has hope and can anyway be appreciated if he has inherent goodness. He can even get interesting if he has dry humor or wit. But a pessimist is incorrigible.

Our AMK is no pessimist.😎


I agree with you! In Russian Orthodoxy is considered, that the despondency is 8th mortal sin.
How can be pessimistic and depressed man, who so works to survive and so is responsible for their animals and people?
"...Sin of despondency comes from excessive employment over themselves, their experiences, failures, and as a result - the extinction of love for others, indifference towards the suffering of others, inability to rejoice in another's joys, born envy ...
Archimandrite Lazarus (Abashidze, the twentieth century)
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Bitter of course. He has cocooned himself from softer feelings lest he be hurt where it pains him most. But he is full of life vigor and can judge people well. He cares for Ibrahim, loves his horses and has a personal unique bond with his bahadur.

How can he be a pessimist when he sees perfection where everyone else see disability? Don't pessimists see and expect the worst in everything?

Neither traits are endearing actually. But a bitter person has hope and can anyway be appreciated if he has inherent goodness. He can even get interesting if he has dry humor or wit. But a pessimist is incorrigible.

Our AMK is no pessimist.😎


Pul arikkira explanation ma😉... Hindi translation (Dil ko choo gayaa types)... English (hit the bullseye!)

You're right... neither would a pessimist be able to form a bond with friends and animals... nor would he see 'perfection where everyone else sees a disability'

My bad for calling him a pessimist at all...


@ Zhanna
the despondency is 8th mortal sin.
Really? 😲
How can be pessimistic and depressed man, who so works to survive and so is responsible for their animals and people?
True 😳
"...Sin of despondency comes from excessive employment over themselves, their experiences, failures, and as a result - the extinction of love for others, indifference towards the suffering of others, inability to rejoice in another's joys, born envy ...
Archimandrite Lazarus (Abashidze, the twentieth century)
Makes total sense... 👏


BTW, I LOVE how you give a Russian twist to the title Shehzaade, by referring to him as Shachzade
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