Jodha Akbar 170-174: The magic of Camelot

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sashashyam

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Posted: 9 years ago

#51

Dear Donjas,

I can think of nothing to say by way of response to this but Thank you, thank you, thank you! There can be no greater gift for any writer, professional or amateur, than warm and intelligent praise, and this I get from you in abundance. I am truly grateful.

Your points are all well taken, especially No.2. I had not thought this thru.

As for No.3, the phrase, growing closeness but also hesitancy, is spot on. It is a great pity that after having created this Badal-Kajri idyll, the CVs lost their way and could not build on it properly, indeed at all. Though the sambraani dhoopam (incense for the hair) and the foot washing scenes, as also the one after the kashti mixup ruckus, were good, they were not a patch on the ones here, and soon enough, the delightful Kajri was gone for good and we were back with Jodha Mahaan. I have often wondered why.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Donjas
This post is a gift. A totally unexpected and joyous gift.
Life's greatest pleasure are the unexpected moments of joy. Maybe that is the philosophy of life too, in the midst of suffering and sorrow we march on to receive those unexpected moments of pleasure. We crave those moments, it motivates us to keep going on.

1 The first Sikri episode is delightful. It had so many charming moments. There is the boat scene, the palkhi scene, the Marwari dialect and then the happenings at the Sarai. I read your description of these with interest, top class.
2 As for the pilgrim tax, the hapless CV's had not been told yet of Ekta's rush for a time leap, had they known they would have finished it off right now. That would have made sense, but they were following the movie schedule here, hence the delay.
3 The roti scene was beautifully described by you. You brought out in words what the actors portrayed on screen, a growing closeness but also hesitancy. For both these are uncertain waters.
4 The prison scene when the prison puts his arm around Jalal and pesters him was fun.
5 The emotions on Jalal's face in the scene where he is about to be whipped were telling. Rajat was on form and convincingly portrayed guilt tinged with frustration.

I am following the sequence of the episodes so I will be back more. Thank you so so much for this post, you made my day.

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sashashyam

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Posted: 9 years ago

#52

I am delighted, my dear Raksha, that you enjoyed this one as much as I enjoyed writing it. Thank you!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: 1357raksha
Amazing review aunty. ...
Thanks for pm. ...

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sashashyam

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Posted: 9 years ago

#53

I am so glad that you really loved this one, my dear Amina. There are very few of my Jodha Akbar posts that I enjoyed writing as much as I did this one. Thank you, my dear.-

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: amina1
Oh what a delight Aunty,ja is a beautiful memory,yes after the fall of jalal but ill always be thankful to ekta for giving us such a show and ofcourse mmera bachha rajat🤗and this one if for you my dear Aunty

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sashashyam

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Posted: 9 years ago

#54

This is spot on, my dear Amina. One only has to add that she was a badly brought up. peevish, self-centred and instinctively nasty woman, to all but Jalal, that is, and at times to him as well. So much of the promise of Smiley's Ruqaiya 1 gone down the drain.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: amina1
Well Aunty this reel rukiya never grew up i was one who admired ruku and was a huge fan of hers but now realised a child who never grew up and jalal was her favourite toy,😆 so much for padhi likhi begume khas

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sashashyam

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Posted: 9 years ago

#55

My dear Zhanna,

I can see that you have effortlessly got to the main reason for this post of mine being so very enjoyable: it is perhaps my happiest post in the whole series of my Jodha Akbar analyses. It is not an analysis as much as it is a celebration of Jalal-Jodha as Badal and Kajri. And that feeling shines thru the whole of this 3 parter, and is immediately communicated to the reader.

It was a major effort given the present state of my right hand and arm, but I think it was worth it seeing the amount of pleasure it has given you all.

I loved the passages in your comments that I have put in blue. Yes, it is gentle and soothing like the sound of faraway music, and yes, I was afraid, even as I wrote the original posts in February 2014 (they have been partially rewritten here) that this new Jodha-Kajri ko meri hi nazar na lag jaye ( that my own pleasure at the this new Jodha-Kajri might cast an evil eye on her), and that was exactly what happened, alas!

As for Jalal disrespecting women, that is simply not true, and there is not a single instance of this in the whole show. Jodha first accuses him, but not to his face, of this because, I think, she believes that he personally authorised and approved the attempted kidnapping of Moti by his soldiers and other such outrages about which she must have heard as gossip. That is why, as I have noted at the end of Part 1, in the PS, the pilgrimage tax business must have been an eye-opener for Jodha.

She says that to him during the Shivani marriage track, when she is contrasting Jalal with Mirza Hakim to Jalal's disadvantage. Then, I think she means his humiliating her publicly by asking her to leave the Tansen concert at which Benazir is first introduced to the court, and follow up instances during her returning the baajuband, and during his supposed dalliance with Benazir. I can think of nothing else.

As for your remark about polygamy, I do not know. It is all a question of conditioning and of the extent to which a wife is possessive and ambitious. In those days, it was the norm, and I am sure most wives would have learnt to accept it and deal with it gracefully.

Zhanna, this is about as much as I can do for today, for my fingers are screaming for a halt. I shall have to tackle the rest of my responses tomorrow. But I am very pleased to have you around again; I have missed you!

Shyamala Di

Originally posted by: alffim
Dear Shyamala Di!
It is the most palpitating, gentle and affectionate your analysis(espeshialy for Jodha 😊)! If you take the sound association, like a beautiful soft music String Orchestra in the palace park sounding from afar... so that not to frighten. As the first feeling of love that a person can be even does not know about this. Just the feeling of happiness. It seemed even to me that you are afraid to scare off this new Jodha. 😊

Your ability to notice and pay attention to the slightest semitones and shades of emotions and feelings Jalal - delightful. As well as the incredible subtlety and intuitive embodiment of all these fine as gossamer feelings Rajat Tokas.

I would like to ask the question: Jodha very often said (in scenes with Suryabhan too), not only about the attack on the temple, but even more often that she hates Jalal, because he doesn't respect women. I thought it was because of polygamy, but it turns out, the Rajputs too were not monogamous. Then what is she saying? Maybe in our version of the show cut out some scenes? In what disrespect of women Jalal is guilty?

And about Rukaya ... Maybe it is my Western mind. But even the secret extramarital affairs seem to me less immoral and less lethal for women, men, families than polygamy. It breaks psyche and disfigures a person, especially a woman. She is either the victim or - fury.

Thank you dear Shyamala! I wish you many, many health.

Edited by sashashyam - 9 years ago

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Sabdabhala

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Posted: 9 years ago

#56

HI AUNTY

I WAS PLANNING TO WRITE A RESPONSE ABOUT THE OTHER PARTS AS WELL. IT GOT A BIT DELAYED COZ I WAS NOT ABLE TO SEE THE RECORDED EPISODES AND I DID NOT WANT TO WRITE ANYTHING WITHOUT SEEING THEM.

HAVING SEEN THE EPISODES TILL YESTERDAY, I RE READ YOUR POST AND FOUND, AS USUAL, THAT THEY ARE PERFECT AND THERE IS, FRANKLY, NOT A SINGLE COMMENT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD

EACH EXPRESSION, EACH VOLUNTARY AND INVOLUNTARY MOVEMENT, EACH DIALGUE, EACH LOOK HAS BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT.

I LOVED THE WRITE UP WHEN JALAL AND JODHA ARE GETTING BLESSINGS FROM THE SAINT. THE LINES OF THE POEM WERE AWESOME. I ALSO LOVED THE EK HI DHAAGA PART AND EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT THESE EPISODES THAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN.

I TOO AGREE THAT JODHA IS ON THE WAY TO BECOMING A TRUE SANGINI. THEIR COMMUNICATING THROUGH EYE CONTACT IS SUCH A TREAT TO WATCH, AS WAS THE GAON KI GORI ACT BY JODHA. REFRESHING AND UNEXPECTED

I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN FOR JALAL'S REACTION WHEN RUKKAIAH BARGES IN ON THEM, THAT HE CAN NOT DO "TAUHEEN" OF HIS OLDEST ASSOCIATION. THATS A WONDERFUL EXPLANATION. I ALSO APPRECIATE THE POINT THAT JODHA, ALTHOUGH DISAPPOINTED BY RUKKAIAH'S AREIVAL, TOOK EVERYTHING IN HER STRIDE, COZ SHE DID NOT WANT JALAL TO BE EMBARASSED BY RUKKAIAH OR, WORSE, BURDENED FURTHER BY HER FLARE UPS.

AND YES THE RUKKAIAH SCENES ARE JUST TO SHOW HER IN A BAD LIGHT, AND TO BRING OUT THE STARK DIFFERENCES BETWEEN HER CHARACTER AND JODHA'S MAHAANTA. HER DIALOGUES TO JODHA WHILE SHE IS COOKING AND IN THE KHEMA, BOTH WERE EXTREMELY CRASS.

THANKS AUNTY FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL VALENTINE GIFT. IT IS CERTAINLY ONE TO KEEP AND TO CHERISH EVERY NOW AND THEN.

AND AUNTY, LIKE YOU CHOSE THIS TRACK, I HOPE YOU CHOOSE AT LEAST A COUPLE MORE TO REVIEW AND ANALYZE AND POST AT YOUR LEISURE, MAKING SURE THAT YOU DO NOT EXERT YOUR FINGERS.

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sashashyam

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Posted: 9 years ago

#57

Thank you so much, my dearest Lavanya. I can see how much you enjoyed the latter 2 parts too, and that is, for me, the best comment of all.

As I wrote to Donjas above, it is a great pity that after having created this Badal-Kajri idyll, the CVs lost their way and could not build on it properly, indeed at all. Though the sambraani dhoopam and the foot washing scenes, as also the one after the kashti mixup ruckus, were good, they were not a patch on the ones here, and soon enough, the delightful Kajri was gone for good and we were back with Jodha Mahaan.

I have often wondered why. Probably because Ekta felt that the mahaanta quotient for Jodha Begum was not high enough, whence the Bakshi-Sharifuddin quality of mercy exercise, and then the (undoubtedly noble) abolition of bonded labour in the harem. As Jodha had to have the exclusive credit for all these good (1) and foolish (1) deeds, there was no space left any more for Jodha as the lover, as distinct from the beloved. Otherwise, the Sujamal imbroglio would never have occurred.

See how we, the viewers, are almost always at the mercy of the CVs!

Well, my dear, this is it for me for today, for I can do no more. I am going to my orthopaedist tomorrrow, and when I get back, depending on how I feel, I will try and complete my responses to the remaining comments on this thread.

As I had noted at the end of this post, I will try and do bits on the really good Jalal-Jodha scenes from now on, and then one on the end of the Sujamal track, which would be Episode 210, and this 5 weeks away. After that, let me see.

Take care, child, and if you have time, do see my posts on Siya ke Ram on pages 114-118 on my last thread, at https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/4535250/jodha-akbar-105-114-of-human-bondage-ja-165-69-pg-96?pn=114

If my hands were not in such bad shape, I would start a CC on this version of the Ramayana, which is very, very interesting, and invite all of you to join me there. Not in the main Siya ke Ram forum, where I would very likely be tarred and feathered! 😉

If you are not already watching it, do try and see the episodes 80 and 81, of Tuesday and Wednesday, not just for both the superlative scenes between Rama and Sita, but also for the one between Sita and her preceptor Gargi, the great female philosopher and guru, where the shishya becomes, for once, the guru. A very good segment between Rama and Vishwamitra is due tonight.

It is a mistake to analyse this Ramayana from the angle of whether or not the actors look their roles. The real hero here is the script.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Sabdabhala
HI AUNTY
I WAS PLANNING TO WRITE A RESPONSE ABOUT THE OTHER PARTS AS WELL. IT GOT A BIT DELAYED COZ I WAS NOT ABLE TO SEE THE RECORDED EPISODES AND I DID NOT WANT TO WRITE ANYTHING WITHOUT SEEING THEM.

HAVING SEEN THE EPISODES TILL YESTERDAY, I RE READ YOUR POST AND FOUND, AS USUAL, THAT THEY ARE PERFECT AND THERE IS, FRANKLY, NOT A SINGLE COMMENT THAT I WOULD LIKE TO ADD

EACH EXPRESSION, EACH VOLUNTARY AND INVOLUNTARY MOVEMENT, EACH DIALGUE, EACH LOOK HAS BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT.

I LOVED THE WRITE UP WHEN JALAL AND JODHA ARE GETTING BLESSINGS FROM THE SAINT. THE LINES OF THE POEM WERE AWESOME. I ALSO LOVED THE EK HI DHAAGA PART AND EVERYTHING ELSE ABOUT THESE EPISODES THAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN.

I TOO AGREE THAT JODHA IS ON THE WAY TO BECOMING A TRUE SANGINI. THEIR COMMUNICATING THROUGH EYE CONTACT IS SUCH A TREAT TO WATCH, AS WAS THE GAON KI GORI ACT BY JODHA. REFRESHING AND UNEXPECTED

I APPRECIATE THE EXPLANATION THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN FOR JALAL'S REACTION WHEN RUKKAIAH BARGES IN ON THEM, THAT HE CAN NOT DO "TAUHEEN" OF HIS OLDEST ASSOCIATION. THATS A WONDERFUL EXPLANATION. I ALSO APPRECIATE THE POINT THAT JODHA, ALTHOUGH DISAPPOINTED BY RUKKAIAH'S AREIVAL, TOOK EVERYTHING IN HER STRIDE, COZ SHE DID NOT WANT JALAL TO BE EMBARASSED BY RUKKAIAH OR, WORSE, BURDENED FURTHER BY HER FLARE UPS.

AND YES THE RUKKAIAH SCENES ARE JUST TO SHOW HER IN A BAD LIGHT, AND TO BRING OUT THE STARK DIFFERENCES BETWEEN HER CHARACTER AND JODHA'S MAHAANTA. HER DIALOGUES TO JODHA WHILE SHE IS COOKING AND IN THE KHEMA, BOTH WERE EXTREMELY CRASS.

THANKS AUNTY FOR THIS BEAUTIFUL VALENTINE GIFT. IT IS CERTAINLY ONE TO KEEP AND TO CHERISH EVERY NOW AND THEN.

AND AUNTY, LIKE YOU CHOSE THIS TRACK, I HOPE YOU CHOOSE AT LEAST A COUPLE MORE TO REVIEW AND ANALYZE AND POST AT YOUR LEISURE, MAKING SURE THAT YOU DO NOT EXERT YOUR FINGERS.

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shreya roy

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Posted: 9 years ago

#58

Honestly aunty it was always the sad case where to uplift one character other characters were terribly degraded. I don't mind jodha's mahanta but why at the cost of jalal? After a certain point of time it almost one sided. The title is jodha akbar so obviously equality is expected. Acc to me benz track is not just a lesson for jalal but also for jo as well. In fact it was also shown tht jo was actually talking about point of views nd trying to understand jalal's point of view as well. But even in this also OTT things like jodha pur sikri or jodha devi nd all were shown. Still it was bearable bcoz the badal kajri track was balanced. But then the show was all about mahan jodha. Even when jo was wrong during shehnaaz fake rape case then also jalal was established as the dumb shahehsha nd jo the mahan. Why jo can't be wrong? Does strong heroine means a dumb nd weak hero? Honestly I don't understand this trp system bcoz I feel my views definitely don't match with the trp audience.

Edited by munni_rajatfan - 9 years ago

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myviewprem

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Posted: 9 years ago

#59

I usually do not read forum posts as am busy but had to reply on this one

I have forgotten who wanted to be on pilgrimage jodha or jalal. Anyways to start off a King lives in rich palaces has rarely any idea of what his citizens face in day to day life. So the best way to know what troubles they face is to become one.

The dakka scene troubles Akbar many times on this journey i do not know why? Has not jodha proved her love by drinking poison for him. Yes all life he will be scared to make first move after that dakka but then he has to forgive her and not raise this point again and again. I think it looks very akwards for jodha and very non trusting of jalla after what jodha did for him makes him look ungrateful.

The citizens seem to be warming up to their young emperor and your rajputh princess love story. They are being compared to satyavan and savitri. And Akbar gave odha adilyon ki rani title. Jodha is adiyal but in lesser way and it does not harm others till now but Akbar oh my God he is dumb adiyal and lands others life in trouble.

But this time Akbar took an entourage of maids and body gaurds only to be stopped by the Subedhar or whatever of a city for pilgrimage tax or teerth kar. Now here i am surprised how does Akbar not know his own rules - does that not prove he is lax and incompetent. Any King has to read or know his own rules of land first else how shall he better them or correct them.

This also shows that Akbar is so overshaowed by Maham in administration. Its like the secretary knows more than the boss and its tough to get through the secretary than the boss. So Maham and others have convinently not brought any issues which citizens face in front of Akbar and he too has been lax and enjoying royal life. Time to wake up Shahenshah.

Akbar is shocked to know the truth and refuses to accept its his law so obiviously the gaurds will be angry he is questioning their emperor and want to punish him. Luckily Jodha had jewels to barter for his release. But why did they forget poor maids and gaurds in lock up. That is worst part of serial scenes and story was always left incomplete or ended abruptly. Later on after this track i thought Akbar knows about pilgrimage tax and shall cancel it after reaching agra he and jodha conveniently forgot that part.

Best part was the jail scene between another thief and Akbar- he feels Akbar has stolen Jodha and run off and hence caught. 😆 But honestly Akbar ne bahut papad behele hain jodha ko pane ke liye first Sharifu did war and captured her brothers, Sharifu was eyeing jodha but Akbar literally snatched her from him, Akbar left all her brothers and returned all loot ka maal, Akbar married off Sukanya and gave away his fort.

Tere pyar main kya kya na bana Jodha kabhi saudayi kabhi teda

Tere pyar main kya kya na koya Jodha kabhi fort kabhi izzat(in Shivani case)

Tere deewangi main kya kya mila mujhe Jodha kabhi dakka kabhi bashan

Tere peeche peeche jakkar kya kya na hua Jodha mujhe kabhi abul mali(ka attack) kabhi Sharifu(ki dushmani)

Tere baat na mankar kya kya na karna mujhe Jodha kabhi kali ka peecha kabhi Surajmal ka peecha

Edited by myviewprem - 9 years ago

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amina1

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Posted: 9 years ago

#60

Well prem this empirer has no cloths sounnds god to me and at last jodha came as a saviour and saved him from all ill maham made him cruel and jodha made him great end of story

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