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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: -AkDha.Lover-

Lovely analysis Harshu di.👏

Coming here after almost a week. Feels great. Had been so busy in the past few days.🥱

As for the episode, it was a nice one.

The first scene. Jalal was in the angry young man mode, as you said. But that was needed here. His assumption seemed completely plausible here. The Hakima could have been hand in gloves with the culprit. It is another thing, that here it was not so. So, Jalal was awesome here, in interrogating the Hakima strictly, and wanting to know the entire truth.⭐️

What importance she holds in his life, need not be proved now. When he came to know about her pregnancy, he could have told everyone that he had never even come close to her. But he didn't. Whatever said or heard, he himself couldn't doubt her outright. And now, see how he tries every possible way to bring out the truth, and end both of theirs misery.

I really don't want to comment on the Jo - HB scene.🤢It seems as if HB is also having that kaan ka kaccha syndrome. Wasn't she too hasty in confronting Jodha? Contrast it to SB's reaction. Salima Begum had so much trust on Jodha. Despit the fact that Jodha has been much more close to HB, than to Salima Begum. This is only because Salima Begum has a much greater understanding of human nature, it seems. Whereas HB is believing whatever she heard, even without any sort of cross - checking or confirmation. She is such an experienced person, and such actions of her really puzzle me. If Jalal had reacted the same way, it could have been understood. He is a young emperor, still in process of understanding his wife, who claims to hate him. But he still came out much better than HB. He too confronted her, but that was kinda expected of him, as I said above. But not for HB, she is someone so close to Jodha, and she loved her so much. Imagine what would have Jo felt like. Her support in Agra, seemed to shatter in front of her own eyes.

Loved Jalal in this scene. He tried to save her from public humiliation, even before the actual truth was out. That is because, his inner self had already told him the truth. The result of the Hakima's test was only to satisfy his brain's, and the others' doubts. His heart already knew the truth. I was really confused in this scene, for whom should I feel pity here? Both Jalal and Jodha are in so much pain, and bearing so much. Jalal, to save her, from all these allegations, is taking up everything on himself. Knowing that both Jodha nd his Ammijaan, and all of the rest too, are going to hate him after this. If this is not love, then I don't know what is.👏And Jodha, cursing her fate, thinking what kind of a life she has been made to live. Is this the same person, she had started understanding in Amer? Her pain and hurt, is really immeasurable.

Loved how Jalal is ignoring Ruks in this matter. Because as he said, she won't be able to understand this, even if she wanted to.

The Ruks - Salima scene. I loved Salima Begum all throughout this track. Here, see how she stops Ruks, and says, " Gustaakhi Maaf, Ruqaiya Begum." Awesome!👏This is the kind of response I have always wanted from Jodha to Ruks. Dignified, yet insulting. SB is one person in Agra, I so love besides AkDha and Rahim.

As you said, the best part is here. I don't really know why Jodha came there. Only to announce once again, how much she hated him. Jokes apart, a very symbolic scene this was. See the way, he balances both the sides of the balance with rings, one of Jodha's, and one of his own. And then, says, " Aap ki nafrat humare liye jaayaz hai, Jodha Begum. Humein aapki nafart qubool hai." OMG...This is a kind of moment, which can't be expressed in words. Kind of goosebumps feeling. 😳❤️I mean, there are numerous love stories, we have heard and seen on TV, that begin with hate. But, have we ever seen someone accepting the other's hate for him? I guess not. This is what makes this story special, acceptance of each other. Loved loved loved Jalal here...👏⭐️This story, is really special, in many aspects, and many of them will unfold in this track itself.😳




thnx shagun... 😊 good 2 see u bk wid awum analysis... 😛 hmm d epi was good...I loved dis jalal d way he was yelling at hakima dat she had to blur out d truth if she had taken any bribe to give fake news... 😳 bt luckily she was innocent... 😃 I agree wid u abt d HB -jo scene...HB has always been supportive jodha in goody goody times but wen really d time had come to test her intelligence and her support for jodha she was no where in d picture... 😕 dats wat jodha told to HB dat her only support in agra was HB and now she too was questioning her character... 😕 but d best part of dis scene was jalal... ⭐️ he just wanted jodha's dignity to b maintained in front of HB's eyes and so he was ready to bear all d hatred including jodha...I really felt bad for him... thou we cant blame jodha too...but I felt more pity for him... ruk salima scene was really class...I loved salima she was just fab in giving a fitting ans to ruku... ⭐️ I agree wid ur last part... 😳 dis story is something really v spl and parijat makes it more spl...jalal was amazing here too he did understand her situation and hence he accepted her hatred... 👏 and it wasn't enuf for jodha to declare her hatred openly for jalal in front of all like HB and maham here she came and repeated d same thing...for what...? 😕
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: hely

missed epi
power cut🤢🤢


ohhh u can watch it online... 😉
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Harshu di, Me too didn't understand Jodha's coming there.
That was the necessity of the scene, perhaps. If Jodha didn't have come there and announced her nafrat for him, the next parts of the scene may not have happened.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Suganya.S

It's weird if one seems completely ridiculous at past and the very same thing now being re-watched can cast some lingering questions in ur mind 😆

This track is definitely such a track 😉 And harshu ur write up is asusual dhamekhedaar ⭐️

1) Both Jalal n jodha , victims of their own perspective n thoughts had their own part of turmoil due to the severity of this situation

2) Again the inconsistency of the dialogs n characterisation ( hb for instance 😡 ) . But thank god that cvs had some heart to show someone intelligent ( our calm n convincing SB) though initially 😉

3) Ma again become synonymous to fox , at her vicious best to tarnish jodha's dignity 😡

4) Amidst everything absurd n logical , This track was watchable thanks to our adoring lead couple RTPS 👏 👏 Their display of emotions at various instants from fury to confusion , from disgust to haplessness was very well enacted in each n every scene ⭐️ Kudoes again to them 👏


hi sugu..good to see ur comment on my thread... 😳 xactly during d original run I couldn't get most of d scenes but now m understanding it for some m getting some queries also whch initially it had slipped off frm my mind... 😆 thnx anyways... 😉 akdha have been a victim of d saazish done by sharif... 🥱 d good thing abt dis track is we have jalal personally doing d investigation and d icing on d cake is salima being his major support where other fools r kept aloof like ruku... 😉 so its really interesting to watch it.. 😉 regarding HB I too felt it weird being a MM she should have used her own sense rather than believing on maham 😕 wats d use of dat position wen u r a puppet of other's talk... 😕 I agree RT PS has been awsum thru out d track wid their superb performance wid perfectly emoting their feelings... ⭐️
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: sonnet87

As usual wonderful update harshu 👍🏼 I too liked today's episode with little tolerance on ruk's over jealousy nd gloating not only on jo usually but also on Salima 😡

whatever, I loved today's episode for three reasons. First for jalal's stand not on her side but in front of her, due to dat he had to face Hamida's wrath on him for da first time in da serial. In da beginning he even couldn't tolerate Hamida tying taveez to him. But now how he is changing, I think it's only because of jo's effect.
secondly how he declares his acceptance of her hatred for him in da last scene. I just loved that scene. if I remember correctly when he was drunk nd entered Jo's room on their first night in Agra, he had said to jo that he would teach such a lesson to her that she would regret for hating him. now he accepts her hatred. such a contrast phase their relationship
is now
😉 this is da proof that they r getting close to each other but emotionlly. But how come our ruk baby understands this with her hukka brain, hence she gloats our akdha were never with each other to get separate before Salima
😆

thirdly, I loved jo bashing jalal. this is da first time till now in da serial that jalal is listening jo's taunts without giving witty replies with his signature smirks 😉


thnx suntiha... 😳 d epi was good...if we ignore ruku dn it would d best thing as she will never ever chnge... 😆 I agree wid u ...jalal was d best thru out d epi as he was firmly standing to support jodha and had to bear all d hatred from HB and jodha too... ⭐️ last scene was d best again near tarazu... 😉 loved jalal's dialog... ⭐️ he is accepting her hatred as he is aware of her situation... 😳 and regarding ruku she gloats dat she knw jalal v well...but its her wrong impression she has never ever known jalal... 🤪 jalal has been calm thru out as he now knows d truth rather his mind and heart r accepting it and hence he remains to b calm even if jodha is spiting fire ... 😉
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Donjas

Harshu, sorry but missed the episode today. I will base my writeup on your incredibly detailed and entertaining writeup and my memory.

Two scenes I cannot forget-
1 Jalal goes to Jodha's protection like a Knight in shining armour. A few minutes more and Jodha would have been a total wreck considering the barrage of accusations she was facing from Hamida, Maham and the rest of the ladies. Jalal came, he diverted all attention towards himself and became a magnet for all hatred swirling in that room, even Jodha's. Now if that is not a noble gesture, then what is?

2 Jalal at the scales, biding time. Jodha comes there and Jalal has to bear her verbal onslaught. He takes all in a gallant fashion. There was definitely something chivalrous of the way Jalal withstood Jodha's tirade.

It was a nice scene with Paridhi excelling in angry gestures and Rajat doing as well in stoic silence.


no probs bt anyways u managed to give awum analysis as usual... 😃 I agree wid u had not jalal been der to save jodha frm d accusations from HB she would have collapsed there itself...frm here xpressions we could feel she would collapse at any moment...but thnk to jalal... ⭐️ he came as a savior and poor fellow had to be d center of hatred for all including jodha... 😕 near d scales jalal was as before calm and quiet.. and was bearing all d hatred which she had already said it before in front of all...but I think he understood her plight and hence his dialog where he says that her hatred was genuine and he accepts it proved it all... 😳 RT PS were xcellent here too... ⭐️
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: ayushimehra

Harshu not got time today, i will post tomorrow.


no prob take ur time... 😊
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: RamSiyaRam

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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2" color="#990000">Jalal threatens the Hakima and asks her why did she say Jodha is pregnant when he did not touch her and he suspected her but she stood up for herself and confronted back to him, he saw that her eyes and heart spoke the truth. Because of her alleged judgment, Jodha's life is in mess and he is lying around to hide the whole thing. Hakima then says its possible someone gave Jodha herbs which give this kind of effect and recites past incident about a MIL hating her DIL. Shehenshah has many enemies so any on them may be Jodha the herbs. Jalal asks how to verify it and stop it. Hakima gives a herb and tells that if Jodha isnt pregnant then she would vomit out blue🤣🤣. Ekta and her colorful vomits.🤣🤣Salima decides to give it to Jodha.</font>
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2" color="#990000">Here Jalal showed his concern for Jodha's honor and Salima supported him. His anger towards Hakima was high since he told her he would chop off her head.</font>
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2" color="#990000">Distrusting Jodha,Hamida as marium makani wants to know who is the father of baby, as Jalal did not touch her. She committed a serious offense and will have to leave mughal sultanate and go away. She will tell the world that Jodha died. Hearing all this Jodha is tearful and heartbroken, whimpers "aamijan" she had thought in agra, she was the only one who understood her completely but alas thats not so but Hamida is in no mood to listen and tells her Jalal would not lie about this. Maham is elated and almost jumping.</font>
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2" color="#990000">In the nick of time, Jalal arrives and looking on the ground, tells Hamida she is wrong and he had infact spend night with Jodha. He was in doubt whether a woman can become pregnant just by spending one night. Jodha, Hamida are shocked and at this Maham alleges that Jalal is trying to protect Jodha. Jodha is angry and informs that she hates the moment her hand was given to him in marriage, she hates the time when he took undue advantage of her, she hates the unborn child. Jalal now says that he just wanted to know whether Jodha had relations with anyone else so he raised his doubt. He wanted to be sure that the baby is his. Hamida gets furious that he mocked the relations and made her doubt Jodha and ask her painful ques. Hamida gets very angry and tells him he has let down the mughal takht and he should leave before she insults the shehenshah. Hamida then apologies to Jodha and Maham is annoyed as her evil plan failed😆😆😆</font>
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2" color="#990000">The whole scene showed the toughness needed by Jalal to take the blame on himself so as to protect Jodha. And Jodha bearing all the brunt earlier and pain of knowing his reason.</font>
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Ruq_Jalal scene just showed the haughty nature of Ruq, who is unsupportivebut wanted to take adv of situation so she wants to know about the issue but Jalal was cool and calculative who simply told Ruq that he is investigating the matter.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2" color="#990000">Salima comes to meet Jodha to give her the herb mixed in rose drink and next wait for the result😆Rahim is playing with Salima and gives her false medicine since she had vomited, Ruq who has come to meet her, taunts that in harem, begums are showing such symptoms like Jodha has. Salima wards it off and tells her it does not suit her royal blood to say it for another royal blood. But Ruq is Ruq- haughty.</font>
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2" color="#990000">Jalal is near tarazu, thinking about the truth and he is restless to know the result of the herb on Jodha. And there comes Jodha full angry mode and tells him that she did not come to argue about his changing decision but just to tell him that she hates him (ghrina karte hai).</font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2" color="#990000">Jalal quietly listens to her and next keeps the ring on the balance and another ring on the other side. He says that he had to lie to save her and he accepts her hatred. Ishq hai woh ahsaas plays. Perhaps indicating changing heart/feelings of Jalal for Jodha.</font>


thnx siya bt I loved ur detailing too... 👏 ya d ghrina one na it has been now patented by jodha... 😆 😉 hakima's solution 2 d prob was good bt dat blue vomit seriously cracked me during its original run... 😆 but now I ignored it as I already knew it wat hakima wants to convey... 😆 😉 colorful vomits yeah...ekta maiya comes up wid her own fanciful imaginations... 😆 😉 maham was delighted to see her plan was working till now where jodha was accused by HB bt wen jalal arrived and he became d centre of all d hatred her plan backfired her... 😉 and expressions were worth watching... 😆 😉 d tarazu scene was as usual had weightage where jodha comes to spit fire again telling him that how he hates him...but jalal was really serene here and wid whole heartedly and open mind accepted her hatred taking it as a genuine reason...I loved his calmness and d bgm also d dialog was really bang on... 😳 ⭐️
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: BeaBea

<font color="#0000FF" size="4" face="Comic Sans MS, Times, serif">Thanks Harshu for the awesome update. 😊

A lot have been said about HB already so I would not bother with her but contrary to the belief that she was inconsistent in her actions I would say she was who she was to the very end " the kind of person that as long as you do their biding or what they expect of you then they would love you" and she proved that side of her at the end of the Serial during the conversion track so well that's her; we see the kinds of her in our bosses at work. They just expect you to be good and meet their expectation anything less is not good enough.

They say 'silence is golden' and that is the place where Jalal is now he and in this situation it is the best remedy as he is the kind of person that workers with facts and evidence.

Jodha has gone back to one point only and that's why she is lashing out on Jalal without holding back: she was almost believing that she and Jalal could find a way to be friends and get along and then this issue strikes so to her it is all a game and has always been a game of Jalal to show his 'hate' for her. And that has been her fear all along when he started showing so much care, attraction and importance towards her and she refuse to open up to him. Jalal somehow acknowledged this fact that he has made her to believe in this 'game of hate' so her state of hate towards him is justified.

But soon Jodha would realized it stopped being a game to him a long time ago and all he wants now is her, acceptance, closeness, love and trust.
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ur welcum... 😊 I agree wid u completely abt HB...nothing to say much abt her... 😕 thru out d epi jalal shined his calm and ready to bear everything was really v depicted... ⭐️ jodha will soon come to knw wen d truth is out where bakshi will confess from her own mouth jodha will repent for her behavior...so fr now we will have to wait for d epis... 😳 but till now we saw both were in pain bt yest I felt a more pity towards jalal...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Donjas


Very thought provoking analysis. My response-
1 Your analysis of Hamida's behaviour is spot on. In my opinion, she is a fair weather friend, always there when everything is fine but disappears when trouble hits. Of course, in fairness she did help out Jodha in the conversion issue.

2 That game viewpoint also seems logical. The number of flip flops that Jalal has had to do regarding that infamous stormy night must have confirmed Jodha's suspicions.


Thanks Donjas,

I was not referring to the just ended conversion track, but the one that she insisted Jodha should convert to prevent war just before the Serial ended.

The way I see her she is just the mother in law who expect so much from her daughter in law and anything less is not good enough, however that doesn't mean she doesn't love her dearly either.

HB maintained two stands to the very end.

Her first stand was that she saw the relationship between Jo and Ja as a prophecy come true so anytime the relationship is under threat her actions are different.

Secondly she saw Jodha as the daughter in law she has hope for or pray for her son and when she came she was more than she expected so anytime Jodha's character or action is question she reacts differently. And that was her stand to the very end. With Jo she expected so much but with the relationship she expected all to be well.

So we see her praying, scolding and advising both when the relation is at stake but with Jo she expected total submission and good character as a daughter in law and she got thst and much more to the very end. It was when Jalal demanded his rights over Jodha and ask her to obey him in that later conversion track with regards to Salem that we saw HB very well. Annd things got ugly; until Jalal used the threat of the relationship ending by divorce that brought her back from her demands from Jo.



An example of what am saying would come during Sujamal track and Jo left Agra and we see for the first time HB lash out on Jalal and then when Jo was pregnant and out of jealous Ruky was trying to make HB believe she was not taking good care of herself.

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