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Posted: 10 years ago
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Interesting information. But no need to shock.. Still nowadays too only sons are eligible to enjoy their inherited properties but not daughters instead they send off their daughters with dowry and son's children are considered as Waris not daughters.

Thanks for sharing Donjas and Prem!!!
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Posted: 10 years ago
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My dear Donjas and Prem,

First of all, this is a fascinating bit of information, Donjas. Thank you so much for bringing it to our notice. I think you should PM at least a few of our friends in this forum about this post of yours.

They would surely be very much interested. After all, it explodes the canard that the Mughal emperors wanted this to a one way affair and a way of asserting their suzerainty over the Rajputs! I shall try and get hold of this book.

I had no idea about it at all. It is amazing how one does not know about even such major elements in the social life of the 16th century and the relations between two different races in Hindustan, at least in the north. The South was insulated from all this, more or less, with the Deccan sultanates as a barrier.

Now, as for the reasons for such Rajput standoffishness vis a vis Mughal princesses, I feel the two sets of reasons Prem has offered - the first operating on the Rajputs and the second on the Mughals - seem to me likely to be the correct ones.

As for the first one, more than the difference of religions - they could have made a Mughal princess adopt Rajput religious customs - , the idea of the purity of blood is likely to have been the dominant issue. All blood is basically the same - A, B, O, AB, Rh+ve or Rh-ve - but then still some people talk of the blood of one or the other race - Nazi generals captured by the Russian army in World War II would refuse to have blood transfusions from Jewish donors as it would somehow "pollute" their Aryan blood! And the Russian Army generals indulged them and accommodated them!

All the more reason for 16th century Rajputs to cling to their notion that the blood of the Rajput nasl should not be diluted thru a Mughal daughter in law. As Prem has explained, this issue does not arise with a daughter, who is anyway seen as paraya dhan to be given away (to the greatest benefit of her maternal family, in these cases!)

The second one is also very plausible. The very notion of sati must have terrified any potential candidates for marriage to the Rajputs, even if the boy's side agreed. On their side, the Rajput royalty might have been worried that the Mughal daughters in law might demand more freedom and disrupt the households of their in-laws.

So it must have been a double, mutually reinforcing set of objections that ruled the very idea out fairly soon. Fascinating!

Shyamala

Originally posted by: myviewprem

If you read history books and articles on mughal-rajputh alliance there are many reasons given for this

1) The most important fact was that Rajputh royals wanted to maintain purity of their race. So they would never allow their sons to marry a mughal or muslim ruler. This way they preserved their race without any inter religion or inter caste mix. Then why did they marry their daughters freely to mughals even till 18th century- this was basically for political gains. They wanted to have their kingdom secured for their sons and grandsons so they had political tie ups and agreed to be vassals first of mughals and next of British. Some of the major reasons to lose the 1857 war of independence was that the North indian kingdoms like Gwalior, pataudi etc who had promised to send the troops and money to the warriors led by tantya tope etc (to mughal emperor Bahadur shah zafar) joined hands with britishers in last minute and did not send the money. Daughters did not really matter in carrying forward the family name etc only sons mattered hence daughters could be married off to buy peace or buy gaurantee to kingdoms with enemies and that included afghand and mughals too. Mahmood Shah an afghan too was married to a marwar princess.
2) Second factor was that the muslims customs varied a lot and muslim woman had much more freedom in those times compared to an hindu wife, Like muslim widows could remarry, could divorce, need not wear white only after husband death and also need not burn with husband in funeral pyre. Hence the mughal emperors themselves were wary of marrying their daughters and sisters to rajpuths. (Aram Bano was not married to anyone for this same reason that Akbar had faced issues with his brother in laws who were contending for the emperor throne, the same with his other son in laws, as aram was youngest he did not want her to face the issues his sisters and daughters faced hence he and salim decided that she need not marry and stay with salim all life)
3) The mughal rajputh wives converted to islam to marry but could freely follow their hindu customs in house but the rajputh would not allow that.
So all these factors and more(that i cannot remember right off) are reasons for rajputh not marrying mughal



Originally posted by: Donjas

Many of us have wondered, why only Rajput Princesses married Mughal Kings and not the other way around, that is Mughal princesses marrying Rajput Kings.


The answer will astonish you as it did me. According to the book Maharana Pratap by Dr Bhagwan Singh Rana, it is written in Rajput records called the Vir Vinod that Akbar had put several marriage proposals of Mughal princesses before Rajput kings, but to maintain purity of blood or for some other reasons, they were refused.

Now you know, Akbar wanted two-way matrimonial alliance. This is vital knowledge because it explodes the argument that Mughal Emperors forced Rajput Kings to hand their daughters in marriage when they were not willing to do the same with their own daughters.

The author Dr Bhagwan Singh Rana writes 'It is sad that the Rajput Kings of that era did not feel much shame in marrying off their sisters/daughters to the Mughal kings, but they developed a sense of shame on the issue of marrying Mughal princesses.'

By the way, I highly recommend this book if you want to know more about the life history of the Great warrior Maharana Pratap.


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Posted: 10 years ago
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No, no, my dear, you are all wet on this one!

Under the Hindu Succession Act, 1956,females were, for the first time, granted ownership of all property acquired either before or after the signing of the Act, abolishing their "limited owner" status, ie that of holding it only for their lifetime but unable to dispose of it if they so desired. They were now the absolute owners of their property, to do with as they wanted.

But it took nearly 50 years more for daughters to get an equal share of the property of their father with their brothers. The 2005 Amendment gave daughters equal rights to the property of their deceased father , as with sons.

There was a lot of resistance to this, arguing that this would lead of a splintering of the property and to property going outside the family to the daughters' husbands and in laws. But it was finally passed.

It should be remembered, however, that the above applies only to Hindus who die intestate, that is without making a will. If a man or woman makes a will for the disposal of their property, they can divide it up as they like.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Kalgi22

Interesting information. But no need to shock.. Still nowadays too only sons are eligible to enjoy their inherited properties but not daughters instead they send off their daughters with dowry and son's children are considered as Waris not daughters.

Thanks for sharing Donjas and Prem!!!

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

No, no, my dear, you are all wet on this one!

Under the Hindu Succession Act, 1956,females were, for the first time, granted ownership of all property acquired either before or after the signing of the Act, abolishing their "limited owner" status, ie that of holding it only for their lifetime but unable to dispose of it if they so desired. They were now the absolute owners of their property, to do with as they wanted.

But it took nearly 50 years more for daughters to get an equal share of the property of their father with their brothers. The 2005 Amendment gave daughters equal rights to the property of their deceased father , as with sons.

There was a lot of resistance to this, arguing that this would lead of a splintering of the property and to property going outside the family to the daughters' husbands and in laws. But it was finally passed.

It should be remembered, however, that the above applies only to Hindus who die intestate, that is without making a will. If a man or woman makes a will for the disposal of their property, they can divide it up as they like.

Shyamala Aunty

Yeah... There can be laws but people mentality is not changed as much i think.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

No, no, my dear, you are all wet on this one!

Under the Hindu Succession Act, 1956,females were, for the first time, granted ownership of all property acquired either before or after the signing of the Act, abolishing their "limited owner" status, ie that of holding it only for their lifetime but unable to dispose of it if they so desired. They were now the absolute owners of their property, to do with as they wanted.

But it took nearly 50 years more for daughters to get an equal share of the property of their father with their brothers. The 2005 Amendment gave daughters equal rights to the property of their deceased father , as with sons.

There was a lot of resistance to this, arguing that this would lead of a splintering of the property and to property going outside the family to the daughters' husbands and in laws. But it was finally passed.

It should be remembered, however, that the above applies only to Hindus who die intestate, that is without making a will. If a man or woman makes a will for the disposal of their property, they can divide it up as they like.

Shyamala Aunty

There is a Law and it must be followed in case of no will but how many parents do that while making the will. If they do what will be the reaction of other members.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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The importance of a law is that the daughter, or more likely the son-in-law, can sue for her share of the property. The mentality of the sons might remain unchanged, but they would have to comply with the court order.

This is a huge advantage that cannot be slurred over.

Dowry is of course illegal, and the 1961 Dowry Prohibition Act is periodically tightened up. But it still persists in various camouflaged forms. How can a daughter get both the dowry AND a property share? But they often want both!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Kalgi22


Yeah... There can be laws but people mentality is not changed as much i think.



Originally posted by: sashashyam

No, no, my dear, you are all wet on this one!

Under the Hindu Succession Act, 1956,females were, for the first time, granted ownership of all property acquired either before or after the signing of the Act, abolishing their "limited owner" status, ie that of holding it only for their lifetime but unable to dispose of it if they so desired. They were now the absolute owners of their property, to do with as they wanted.

But it took nearly 50 years more for daughters to get an equal share of the property of their father with their brothers. The 2005 Amendment gave daughters equal rights to the property of their deceased father , as with sons.

There was a lot of resistance to this, arguing that this would lead of a splintering of the property and to property going outside the family to the daughters' husbands and in laws. But it was finally passed.

It should be remembered, however, that the above applies only to Hindus who die intestate, that is without making a will. If a man or woman makes a will for the disposal of their property, they can divide it up as they like.

Shyamala Aunty

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Posted: 10 years ago
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My dear Mital,

The distribution of their property by will is the sole right of the will maker, and no one can question that.

Now dowry is of course illegal, and the 1961 Dowry Prohibition Act is periodically tightened up. But it still persists in various camouflaged forms. How can a daughter get both the dowry AND a property share? But they often want both!

So when it comes to making a will, the father probably favours his son or sons.

Shyamala Aunty


Originally posted by: melovesja


There is a Law and it must be followed in case of no will but how many parents do that while making the will. If they do what will be the reaction of other members.


Originally posted by: sashashyam

No, no, my dear, you are all wet on this one!

Under the Hindu Succession Act, 1956,females were, for the first time, granted ownership of all property acquired either before or after the signing of the Act, abolishing their "limited owner" status, ie that of holding it only for their lifetime but unable to dispose of it if they so desired. They were now the absolute owners of their property, to do with as they wanted.

But it took nearly 50 years more for daughters to get an equal share of the property of their father with their brothers. The 2005 Amendment gave daughters equal rights to the property of their deceased father , as with sons.

There was a lot of resistance to this, arguing that this would lead of a splintering of the property and to property going outside the family to the daughters' husbands and in laws. But it was finally passed.

It should be remembered, however, that the above applies only to Hindus who die intestate, that is without making a will. If a man or woman makes a will for the disposal of their property, they can divide it up as they like.

Shyamala Aunty


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

The importance of a law is that the daughter, or more likely the son-in-law, can sue for her share of the property. The mentality of the sons might remain unchanged, but they would have to comply with the court order.

This is a huge advantage that cannot be slurred over.

Dowry is of course illegal, and the 1961 Dowry Prohibition Act is periodically tightened up. But it still persists in various camouflaged forms. How can a daughter get both the dowry AND a property share? But they often want both!

Shyamala Aunty

Aunty.. Approaching our country's judiciary system😲😲 and the years it takes to get justice 😆😆 Impossible. Rather spending time with those procedures we can earn more😆

But it's good point How can a daughter get both the dowry and a property share?? 👏
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Posted: 10 years ago
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No, no, my dear, you are all wet on this one!

Under the Hindu Succession Act, 1956,females were, for the first time, granted ownership of all property acquired either before or after the signing of the Act, abolishing their "limited owner" status, ie that of holding it only for their lifetime but unable to dispose of it if they so desired. They were now the absolute owners of their property, to do with as they wanted.

But it took nearly 50 years more for daughters to get an equal share of the property of their father with their brothers. The 2005 Amendment gave daughters equal rights to the property of their deceased father , as with sons.

There was a lot of resistance to this, arguing that this would lead of a splintering of the property and to property going outside the family to the daughters' husbands and in laws. But it was finally passed.

It should be remembered, however, that the above applies only to Hindus who die intestate, that is without making a will. If a man or woman makes a will for the disposal of their property, they can divide it up as they like.

Shyamala Aunty

All these laws very much exist on paper Aunty,but what we actually witness is different.There are many parents who still feel only sons have right to enjoy the property and daughters are sent away by giving dowry,which disturbs me.
If everyone really feels daughter and son are equal in all respects,I don't think these legislations were required at all.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Mital,

The distribution of their property by will is the sole right of the will maker, and no one can question that.

Now dowry is of course illegal, and the 1961 Dowry Prohibition Act is periodically tightened up. But it still persists in various camouflaged forms. How can a daughter get both the dowry AND a property share? But they often want both!

So when it comes to making a will, the father probably favours his son or sons.

Shyamala Aunty




yeah that's also true this type of mentality is there in many case.

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