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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Donjas and Prem,

First of all, this is a fascinating bit of information, Donjas. Thank you so much for bringing it to our notice. I think you should PM at least a few of our friends in this forum about this post of yours.

They would surely be very much interested. After all, it explodes the canard that the Mughal emperors wanted this to a one way affair and a way of asserting their suzerainty over the Rajputs! I shall try and get hold of this book.

I had no idea about it at all. It is amazing how one does not know about even such major elements in the social life of the 16th century and the relations between two different races in Hindustan, at least in the north. The South was insulated from all this, more or less, with the Deccan sultanates as a barrier.

Now, as for the reasons for such Rajput standoffishness vis a vis Mughal princesses, I feel the two sets of reasons Prem has offered - the first operating on the Rajputs and the second on the Mughals - seem to me likely to be the correct ones.

As for the first one, more than the difference of religions - they could have made a Mughal princess adopt Rajput religious customs - , the idea of the purity of blood is likely to have been the dominant issue. All blood is basically the same - A, B, O, AB, Rh+ve or Rh-ve - but then still some people talk of the blood of one or the other race - Nazi generals captured by the Russian army in World War II would refuse to have blood transfusions from Jewish donors as it would somehow "pollute" their Aryan blood! And the Russian Army generals indulged them and accommodated them!

All the more reason for 16th century Rajputs to cling to their notion that the blood of the Rajput nasl should not be diluted thru a Mughal daughter in law. As Prem has explained, this issue does not arise with a daughter, who is anyway seen as paraya dhan to be given away (to the greatest benefit of her maternal family, in these cases!)

The second one is also very plausible. The very notion of sati must have terrified any potential candidates for marriage to the Rajputs, even if the boy's side agreed. On their side, the Rajput royalty might have been worried that the Mughal daughters in law might demand more freedom and disrupt the households of their in-laws.

So it must have been a double, mutually reinforcing set of objections that ruled the very idea out fairly soon. Fascinating!

Shyamala





Shyamala, thank you so much for your detailed and descriptive response. In my opinion this is the most cherished post I have done in my two years on this forum. I learned something which blew away many of my preconceptions.

I agree with you that the first two reasons seem plausible. Blood and Sati are good enough explanations.
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Posted: 10 years ago
#22
From the views/information shared by Donjas,Prem and Shyamal aunty,I feel its difficult to state who opposed whose proposals.

If Mughals didn't want their daughters to face problems with an entirely different culture and traditions(including Sati),that's absolutely fine.In fact it shows they valued their daughters freedom and individuality more than political benefits.

As far as Rajputs' funda regarding not marrying Mughals is considered,given the orthodox values followed in that era,their fear of deviation from the religious beliefs and customs is justified to an extent.
They were okay in giving their daughters bcoz Mughals were relatively liberal in these issues and the most important thing was the political benefits.

Like Shyamala aunty said,both the parties had some reservations which ruled out the idea of Rajput kings marrying Mughal princesses.

I didn't get why Akbar decided to leave Aram unmarried!!If not to the Rajputs,she could have been married to Mughals right?

Thanks to all the three of you😃

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Posted: 10 years ago
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That, my dear Bindu, was because all of Akbar's sons in law and brothers in law were, at one time or another, plotting to seize his throne. So I think - Prem correct me if I am wrong - that after Akbar, the Mughal emperors did not get their daughters married at all, to avoid such problems!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Bindu_nhbr

From the views/information shared by Donjas,Prem and Shyamal aunty,I feel its difficult to state who opposed whose proposals.


If Mughals didn't want their daughters to face problems with an entirely different culture and traditions(including Sati),that's absolutely fine.In fact it shows they valued their daughters freedom and individuality more than political benefits.

As far as Rajputs' funda regarding not marrying Mughals is considered,given the orthodox values followed in that era,their fear of deviation from the religious beliefs and customs is justified to an extent.
They were okay in giving their daughters bcoz Mughals were relatively liberal in these issues and the most important thing was the political benefits.

Like Shyamala aunty said,both the parties had some reservations which ruled out the idea of Rajput kings marrying Mughal princesses.

I didn't get why Akbar decided to leave Aram unmarried!!If not to the Rajputs,she could have been married to Mughals right?

Thanks to all the three of you😃

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Posted: 10 years ago
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That, my dear Bindu, was because all of Akbar's sons in law and brothers in law were, at one time or another, plotting to seize his throne. So I think - Prem correct me if I am wrong - that after Akbar, the Mughal emperors did not get their daughters married at all, to avoid such problems!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Bindu_nhbr

From the views/information shared by Donjas,Prem and Shyamal aunty,I feel its difficult to state who opposed whose proposals.


If Mughals didn't want their daughters to face problems with an entirely different culture and traditions(including Sati),that's absolutely fine.In fact it shows they valued their daughters freedom and individuality more than political benefits.

As far as Rajputs' funda regarding not marrying Mughals is considered,given the orthodox values followed in that era,their fear of deviation from the religious beliefs and customs is justified to an extent.
They were okay in giving their daughters bcoz Mughals were relatively liberal in these issues and the most important thing was the political benefits.

Like Shyamala aunty said,both the parties had some reservations which ruled out the idea of Rajput kings marrying Mughal princesses.

I didn't get why Akbar decided to leave Aram unmarried!!If not to the Rajputs,she could have been married to Mughals right?

Thanks to all the three of you😃

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Thanks a lot Aunty🤗,now I got it.But I feel bad for the princesses who remained unmarried just bcoz their father/brother was an Emperor.
The royal life and power has its own disadvantages too The best example is Jodha herself who was married to Jalal,for the political reasons.She being fortunate to get married to Akbar,who loves her and whom she loved later is a different issue.
When Akbar had a power hungry son like Salim😡😡,he actually shouldn't have bothered abt sons-in-law and brothers-in-law.

Pls correct me if I'm wrong.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

That, my dear Bindu, was because all of Akbar's sons in law and brothers in law were, at one time or another, plotting to seize his throne. So I think - Prem correct me if I am wrong - that after Akbar, the Mughal emperors did not get their daughters married at all, to avoid such problems!
Shyamala Aunty

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Posted: 10 years ago
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INTERESTING TOPIC DONJAS AND PREM, AND I TOO DID NOT HAVE MUCH IDEA ABOUT IT


AFTER READING THROUGH ALL THE COMMENTS TILL NOW I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT ONE THING - THIS PRACTICE OF MUGHALS MARRYING RAJPUT WOMEN WAS I GUESS STARTED BY AKBAR WITH A VIEW TO MAKE HIS " JADEIN IN HINDUSTAN MAZBOOT" I GUESS IT WAS A WIN WIN FOR BOTH PARTIES, IN THAT MUGHALS GAINED LOYAL ALLIES AND RAJPUTS GAINED MUGHAL SUPPORT AND PATRONAGE

AKBAR, JEHANGIR HAD HINDU WIVES AND I THINK EVEN AURANGZEB DID HAVE AT LEAST ONE.


IT IS QUITE INTRIGUING THAT NO MUGHAL DAUGHTERS MARRIED RAJPUT SONS. AND I TEND TO AGREE WITH DONJAS ABOUT THE PURITY OF BLOOD ISSUE.


AUNTY REGARDING THE PURITY OF BLOOD ISSUE IN TODAY'S TIMES, WOULD YOU HAVE SOME IDEA ABOUT JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES. I AM TOLD THEY TOO ARE VERY PARTICULAR ABOUT PROCESSES LIKE BLOOD TRANSFUSION TO KEEP THEIR BLOOD PURE, SOMETIMES, EVEN AT THE COST OF THEIR LIFE
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Thanks for sharing Donjas..
Even I have this question but never bothered about it much..
Even now it is practised I feel..there not many examples where a Muslim girl marrying a Hindu..no offence.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Bindu_nhbr

TFS Donjas 😊
This is really interesting piece of information.
Akbar's broad mindedness is clearly seen here.
Those Rajput kings who didn't accept Mughal princesses might not have given their sisters and daughters too.
But if the Rajput clan felt marrying Mughal princess is unacceptable and the other way round is fine..their thought process is not agreeable.
After all blood has no religion.


Yep Akbar broadmindedness clearly visible here.
He was the first who married from different religions.
Its really interesting piece of information.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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No, Lavanya, the refusal of Jehovah's Witnesses to have any blood tranfusion is not to keep their blood racially pure,but to keep it free of sin, odd as it may sound. Rather like the Christian Scientists (of whom Tim Cruise is one) refusing all medical treatment as being against the will of God.

The following extract from an article on the subject should be interesting.

"The Jehovah's Witnesses are a group of non-conventional fundamentalist Christians who believe literally the "Word of the Lord" reported in the Gideon Bible, which is a part of the actual Catholic and Reformed Protestant Bibles. They pay great attention to the last Book, called "Revelation", and otherwise known as the "Apocalypse". In the main body of the Bible, especially the Old Testament,

There are words against the absorption of, or contact with blood, a widespread cultural thought among the Hebraic and ancient Judaic populations. This is in sharp contrast to the credence of conventional Christians, who value the salvaging power of the Holy Blood (of Jesus Christ) differently.

All blood apart from Christ's blood is considered by Jehovah's Witnesses to be a vector of sin. In contrast to conventional Christians, they do not believe in the forgiveness of sins by confession or self-conscience examination. Sinning thus irremediably compromises the eternal life (of the soul).

Jehovah's Witnesses believe that a very limited number (144,000) of believers will be saved, which is an infinitesimal proportion if one considers the number of human beings having ever existed on earth. Any compromise regarding sinning abolishes the rare chance of being saved: "What means 80 years of life on earth, i.e., in this valley of tears, compared to an eternity in paradise (as opposed to hell)?"

One has to understand that this view is deeply entrenched among Jehovah's Witnesses and they sincerely believe there is no matter of debate or compromise or otherwise there would be absolutely no chance for redemption. Unbelievers sometimes have trouble understanding what religious faith means, but Jehovah's Witnesses' faith is extremely strong.

Respect for this faith is sometimes challenged in the case of Jehovah's Witnesses because, depending on the country, their religion is either considered legal (e.g., in the USA), or a sect. Various intermediate cases exist; in France, for example, the Jehovah's Witness faith is considered a religious cult with sectarian drifting, imposing particular surveillance by the ad hoc legal establishment."

Was that useful?

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Sabdabhala



INTERESTING TOPIC DONJAS AND PREM, AND I TOO DID NOT HAVE MUCH IDEA ABOUT IT

AFTER READING THROUGH ALL THE COMMENTS TILL NOW I WOULD LIKE TO POINT OUT ONE THING - THIS PRACTICE OF MUGHALS MARRYING RAJPUT WOMEN WAS I GUESS STARTED BY AKBAR WITH A VIEW TO MAKE HIS " JADEIN IN HINDUSTAN MAZBOOT" I GUESS IT WAS A WIN WIN FOR BOTH PARTIES, IN THAT MUGHALS GAINED LOYAL ALLIES AND RAJPUTS GAINED MUGHAL SUPPORT AND PATRONAGE

AKBAR, JEHANGIR HAD HINDU WIVES AND I THINK EVEN AURANGZEB DID HAVE AT LEAST ONE.
IT IS QUITE INTRIGUING THAT NO MUGHAL DAUGHTERS MARRIED RAJPUT SONS. AND I TEND TO AGREE WITH DONJAS ABOUT THE PURITY OF BLOOD ISSUE.

AUNTY REGARDING THE PURITY OF BLOOD ISSUE IN TODAY'S TIMES, WOULD YOU HAVE SOME IDEA ABOUT JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES. I AM TOLD THEY TOO ARE VERY PARTICULAR ABOUT PROCESSES LIKE BLOOD TRANSFUSION TO KEEP THEIR BLOOD PURE, SOMETIMES, EVEN AT THE COST OF THEIR LIFE

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Posted: 10 years ago
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interesting donjas! i will respond after collecting some more info on it!

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