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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ghalibmirza

radhika, i know that akbar has his gray shades as well before he became akbar and honestly i would rather see the truth and if he was ruthless and if chittor was just a war of egos and powers and to prove who is right then i would like to watch that side too!..but i cannot accept the NR shown in the show that Akbar ever needed a woman to protect him at battlefield! i am willing to see his gray side and then his white once he realized how he can be accepted by the people of hindustan..his reforms, policies, his navratans was something i feel proud of being his fan!..and he was a complex personality and that is what makes him interesting and people like me are eager to know more about this extraordinary man who had an extraordinary memory power and who was so fearless that men watching him do some stunts would pee in their pants and admire his courage and bravery!...yes! i wanted to know more about his various shades than just one!

mandy the akbar we want to see, is not possible to be shown un indian television.. Maybe epic channel can fulfill our hopes... But rest of the channels cant sponsor such kind of shows,where the main character has so many shades and layers... Yes and also some foreign producer or director can also do so...
Thats y i think the old historicals on dd national were the best and still incomparable... They did not show crap and masala and the content was too appropriate and just... Mandy now i only watch epic channel as it is the only hindi channel that talks sense !! 😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: shivis18

mandy the akbar we want to see, is not possible to be shown un indian television.. Maybe epic channel can fulfill our hopes... But rest of the channels cant sponsor such kind of shows,where the main character has so many shades and layers... Yes and also some foreign producer or director can also do so...
Thats y i think the old historicals on dd national were the best and still incomparable... They did not show crap and masala and the content was too appropriate and just... Mandy now i only watch epic channel as it is the only hindi channel that talks sense !! 😆



shivi, true that! unfortunately i cannot watch it as it is not online anymore😕
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ghalibmirza



my suggestion is if you are akabr's fan do not watch it you will regret!


I appreciate that. However, I would still be grateful if somebody could tell me how far back do I have to go in order to watch and decide for myself.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: ghalibmirza



shivi, true that! unfortunately i cannot watch it as it is not online anymore😕

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: AKT.JA


I appreciate that. However, I would still be grateful if somebody could tell me how far back do I have to go in order to watch and decide for myself.


If you like Akbar - NOTHING. He did nothing other than to praise his bwgum without whom he wouldn't have been alive. He praised her hunars, gave her a bath and did her seva. RT too was below average throughout except in the final goodbye to Ruqaiya.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Coolpree



Well said Radhika! My point to Donjas was exactly that. Showing Akbar as ruthless doesn't always become bigotry


Wish Akbar WAS shown ruthless. Yes. He was ruthless in Chittor like Ashoka was in Kalinga.Nobody says these men were doodh se dhule perfection personified personalities. But what made these kings great is their journey post their worst.

Let Akbar's worst be shown in Chittor. But that would have been better than show him a spineless fool who needs his begum to save him from every tight spot. Showing him like the king of Dolakpur turning to Chotta Bheem for every little problem he faces is abominable.🤢

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Devki

I like the Jalal in JA, despite the many frustrating sub-plots. But I liked the Akbar in the "other" show too, in the Chittor track.

I do not understand hero-worship. Can we selectively like some aspects of a person and decide he is our hero, and so we will close our senses to anything that goes against the image we have of him?

I respect and admire Akbar. I think most people in India do. We have all grown up reading only about the positive impact Akbar had on India, his "golden rule", his navratnas etc.

But now I am mature enough to read the darker side of Akbar too. Heroes do have feet of clay.

If we adopt an ostrich-like attitude and always let sleeping dogs lie peacefully, we would never learn about a lot of our past and why some communities feel / think the way they do. Which can seriously hamper our understanding of present issues and ways to address them.

Chittor happened and it is painful to go through the Fathnama-i-Chittor.

I believe I still have a lot to read before I can understand the puzzle called Akbar. He was much too complex a man to be classified in simplistic terms like white, black or even grey.

I felt sick to the core when i read the accounts of the Chittor war and what has been shown in the other show is barely a patch on what happened then.

It is unbelievable what those people in Chittor went through, each and every one of them. Yes, you are right. For them, Akbar was nothing short of an outsider, at least in Rajputana. Though he is very much Indian for us in the modern context.

Their history has to be told too. Not for political or religious reasons, but for historical reasons. We need to remember that here was a brave warrior class that was ready to fight till death for its homeland against one of the mightiest empires in the world.

Was MP fighting for Mewar or India? Well, don't we call 1857 the first war of independence (for india)? This war can be questioned too. Were those people fighting for India or their own respective kingdoms? Most of our historical legends have been associated with their own dynasties / empires. Yet we don't hesitate to call them India's heroes / heroines and our icons. So just as Shivaji is a national icon for some, so is MP for some others. (The other show is from his perspective and how HE saw Akbar. )

Some say Akbar was trying to establish an integrated India. Was he? Wasn't he also fighting for his own kingdom?

I respect MP for his commitment to his ideals and his desire for self-respect and independence.

And I respect Akbar for his stupendous journey from Chittor to become Akbar the Great. It takes a rare man to overcome his nature, the values indoctrinated in him and stiff opposition from the religious orthodoxy of his time to preach sul-i-kul and embrace din-i-ilahi.

Not everyone who supports Akbar is a pseudo-secular person nor everyone who criticises him a bigot. I think we need to look beyond labels and try to understand and accept differing viewpoints.



Radhika,

I agree that we cannot decide who our heroes are by just taking some aspects of the person.
I come from the land of Shivaji Maharaj, I am a Pune girl (born and raised). Shivaji is not just a national icon for us, he is our identity. Diwali for us as kids was about sweets and firecrackers like anybody else but more than that it was about building mud forts and placing figurines of Shivaji and his Mavlas fighting the Mughals.(oh, how I miss those days). You would be hard pressed to find anything negative about Shivaji in Maharashtra and especially Pune, where he was raised.

A few months ago I was talking to friends of mine from Gujarat who told me that he was not popular in the Surat area😲 and people there called him a not so pleasant name. THis was due to the fact that he and his men had looted and plundered in the region. Now this info you will not find in our history books. Did my respect and love for Shivaji Maharaj go down? No. I am now mature enough to understand that that was the way back then and people in general and rulers more than ordinary people have different sides to them.

What I am trying to say is that Akbar is not the only ruler/leader that is shown in the positive light, most other rulers are unless they were really unpopular like Aurungzeb(where the reverse is true).
To think that MP was all about just his land and morals and self respect and did not have any negatives would be naive. But do we know anything else about him apart from his upright moral nature?

I do not think that we should look for a daily soap which is meant for all ages, some viewers not mature enough(in age or otherwise) to understand certain things, to shed light on each and every aspect of an iconic personality like Akbar. People who are interested enough(like many of us here) can do so on their own.

The serial did show quite a few things about Akbar. His bravery, fairness, ruthlessness(to some extent), his interests, were all touched upon one time or the other. Importance was given to his family life and especially to his relationship with Jodha which I guess what the show was supposed to be about to begin with.
I am glad that the other show touches upon the more ambitious, aggressive side of Akbar. As long as it is shown in a way that does not brainwash young kids into believing that Akbar was only that and nothing else. My friend who watches that show with her kids calls Akbar a "villian" in the show.

@bold: agree. And that goes for all national icons.

Devki

Edited by devkidmd - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: shivis18

mandy the akbar we want to see, is not possible to be shown un indian television.. Maybe epic channel can fulfill our hopes... But rest of the channels cant sponsor such kind of shows,where the main character has so many shades and layers... Yes and also some foreign producer or director can also do so...
Thats y i think the old historicals on dd national were the best and still incomparable... They did not show crap and masala and the content was too appropriate and just... Mandy now i only watch epic channel as it is the only hindi channel that talks sense !! 😆


@bold: That maybe true but in the serial "Akbar the Great", the only thing missing in that Akbar is a Halo around his head. He looks like he came out as a saint from his mother's womb. 😊

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: devkidmd



@bold: That maybe true but in the serial "Akbar the Great", the only thing missing in that Akbar is a Halo around his head. He looks like he came out as a saint from his mother's womb.😊

Devki

well devki iam not talking abt that show as i did not watch it. Rest there were many other historicals like chanakya, bahadur shah zafar,noorjahan , bharat ek khoj etc. Etc.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Hi Srilu, long time! How are you? looks like you changed your ID.
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