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Posted: 10 years ago
Prithviraj Kapoor was OTT because, my dear Sri, he came for the old theatre background, rather like the great Sivaji in his early films. Plus he had a naturally heavy voice and a larger than life persona that was truly imperial in its aloof grandeur. . Not like the way poor Jalal is being made to act these days!

He was not egotistic. He thought first of the Mughal empire, that is all. The awaam would never have accepted a ex-dancing girl as the Malika-e-Hind, a vital fact that Jodha here glosses over with breathtaking naivete, and even Jalal does not state explicitly.

Shyamala Akka

Originally posted by: jayaks02

AAAHHH - This one was OTT in most scenes. But he was damn good in some emotional ones especially when he calls Dilip Kumar Sheiku before he wages war. And what an egoistic and no-nonsense Angry emperor he was. 👏

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Yes Akka - I realize it. They rely on an over pitched voice more . CInema as a Visual medium and a Director's forte came later - Those days, actors ruled the roost. But he managed to convey the turmoil still very well - One thing it sure does is to not degrade Mughal Era/custom etc. It infact glorifies it. I just came to know K Asif was 38 when MEA was released in 1960 !!!! By any stretch, this is a remarkable movie to be made at 38. Salute .


Originally posted by: sashashyam

Prithviraj Kapoor was OTT because, my dear Sri, he came for the old theatre background, rather like the great Sivaji in his early films. Plus he had a naturally heavy voice and a larger than life persona that was truly imperial in its aloof grandeur. . Not like the way poor Jalal is being made to act these days!

He was not egotistic. He thought first of the Mughal empire, that is all. The awaam would never have accepted a ex-dancing girl as the Malika-e-Hind, a vital fact that Jodha here glosses over with breathtaking naivete, and even Jalal does not state explicitly.

Shyamala Akka

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Posted: 10 years ago
My dear Donjas,

You are my one unfailing pick-me-up, and when I read your very enthusiastic and yet completely grounded posts, I am invigorated, and start thinking of more posts, no matter how weary I am.

Yes, it is character analysis that is the most fascinating, and it was so for me when I was writing the original episode analyses. But of course those are my own assessments, based on logic and my idea of rational human behaviour keeping the era in mind. However, when the CVs start standing the characters on their head, so to speak, and make them do things completely contrary to the way their characters had been developed till then, all my character analysis simply goes out of the window. When this sort of thing became the rule, not the exception, I quit.

Your staying with me and enjoying these posts so much is all the more welcome given that I have been rather disappointed in the no show by many of my old, regular readers, who seem to have become so disgusted with the serial of late that they do not want to have anything more to do with it, even with the fine, early episodes. It is a pity that their commitment to Rajat and his talent could not overcome this distaste for the work of the CVs in the second half of the show.

I do not know how many more parts I will be posting, for it is a very tiring exercise, though I will try and do as many as possible. But one thing I shall do without fail. That will be to post the full list of all the 99 episode analyses I put up in the IF Jodha Akbar forum, marking my personal favourites in deep blue. Then you can read any of those 99 posts in full, with all the funny and satirical bits, whereas the extracts I have included are necessarily selective, since they have to be Jalal-centric.

You will enjoy the full posts a lot, I can guarantee you that!

I was interested to learn that Jodha Akbar, even in its lousy second half, is doing much better in Indonesia than in India. I think it is largely due to the novelty, and perhaps the scarcity of glamorous shows on Indonesian TV. It might have been the same here in the 1980s. But the odd thing is that we had any number of high quality shows on Doordarshan in those days: Chanakya, Buniyaad, Kakkaji Kahin, Mr. Yogi, Yeh jo hai zindagi, Mirza Ghalib, Byomkesh Bakshi, the list is endless.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Donjas

I had an absolute blast reading the 4th series. Since I started in October, all of it was fresh and invigorating. As before the analysis of the feelings and motivations of the principal characters was what interested me most. It feels good to spend the last few days in this forum in this pleasurable activity, it seems to me that I am going to leave only when this splendid series ends.


As I read this and marveled at the great set of episodes we had in the beginning, I had a chuckle that we Indians are hard to please, the quality dipped and our interest dropped, not so in Indonesia, they are more forgiving ,there it will end a ratings topper, but maybe there are other factors at play there.

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Posted: 10 years ago
My dear Lavanya,

I am too old to blush, even at such extravagant praise, but consider it done ! And thanks ever so much, my dear, for such logical and credible compliments!

I have been under the weather these last 2 days, but I shall put up Part 5 on Sunday.So get set anew for that!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Sabdabhala


DEAR SHYAMALAJI

AS USUAL, YOUR ANALYSIS IS BANG ON. YOUR PRESENTATION IS SO DAMN CHRONOLOGICALLY PERFECT THAT IT WOULD PUT A WAFAADAAR MUNSHIJI'S REGISTER TO SHAME :) AND, FINALLY, YOUR LOGIC FOR EACH SCENE IS SO WELL REASONED OUT AND EXPLAINED, THAT MY MIND CHOOSES TO FORGET WHAT IT HAD THOUGHT ABOUT THE SCENE IN QUESTION COMPLETELY

BRILLIANT

THANKS SO MUCH.

PS - WHILE I WAS SEEING THE RELEVANT EPIS AND READING PART 3, I DID SEE THE EPIS THAT YOU COVERED IN PART 4.
SO I AM READY FOR THE NEXT INSTALMENT 🤗

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Posted: 10 years ago
Yes, and it was 5 years in the making, so he began at 33 with this horrendously expensive film, with umpteen retakes to cope with Dilip Kumar's excessive perfectionism, and actually finished it. The way in which Indian technicians resolved the problems of shooting the Sheesh Mahal scenes, with all those endless reflections of Anarkali dancing, something that Asif's western consultants had said could not be done, was also something to be really proud of.

However, the film was not so great a success when first released as it is made out to be nowadays, when it has become a cult favourite. The masses could not understand the heavy Urdu, and they opted for Pradeep Kumar's hamming and Bina Rai's blank face in the awful Anarkali.

I saw Mughal-e-Azam first day, first evening show, in the front seats in the balcony thru sheer happenstance. We were then living in Akola, near Nagpur, and the local Collector had reserved those three seats but did not turn up.So when we came to the box office window to enquire about advance bookings, they offered us those seats! So my mother, my brother and I had a ball, with all our shopping bags at our feet!😉

Shyamala Akka

Originally posted by: jayaks02

Yes Akka - I realize it. They rely on an over pitched voice more . CInema as a Visual medium and a Director's forte came later - Those days, actors ruled the roost. But he managed to convey the turmoil still very well - One thing it sure does is to not degrade Mughal Era/custom etc. It infact glorifies it. I just came to know K Asif was 38 when MEA was released in 1960 !!!! By any stretch, this is a remarkable movie to be made at 38. Salute .


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Posted: 10 years ago

More often than not the ott feel came up because their performance was perfect. They played such unique distinctive roles that only the likes of them could play, which was very much apart from the common man.

Aunty, I had once seen the playing of nadashwaram vidwans, real experts at the instrument and was stunned how much Shivaji's performance in 'Thillana Mohanambal' was flawless. The mannerisms, the breath control while playing, the finger movements, the accents, the attitude, i was totally bowled over. Except that the leads looked older than preferable the movie looked incredibly real though the first impression i had formed of the movie was that it was ott.

In MEA too PK looks rigid and too commanding. But then Akbar was commanding and self confident ( unlike our lallu panju). That is how it had to be played. Akbar waa a larger than life personna and the performance also had to be larger than life. It cannot be like that of the man next door.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Prithviraj Kapoor was OTT because, my dear Sri, he came for the old theatre background, rather like the great Sivaji in his early films. Plus he had a naturally heavy voice and a larger than life persona that was truly imperial in its aloof grandeur. . Not like the way poor Jalal is being made to act these days!

He was not egotistic. He thought first of the Mughal empire, that is all. The awaam would never have accepted a ex-dancing girl as the Malika-e-Hind, a vital fact that Jodha here glosses over with breathtaking naivete, and even Jalal does not state explicitly.

Shyamala Akka

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Posted: 10 years ago
Exactly, my dear. Akbar had to be like that.

And Salim too, he never forgot that he was a Mughal prince, and he never stooped, even in love. Remember the scene when Anarkali, fleeing in sheer terror from an advancing Akbar, runs to Salim's arms, but then, feeling the taap of the Shahenshah's fierce gaze even on her back, she slowly collapses at Salim's feet. Salim stares back at Akbar's angry glare, holding his own and never letting his gaze falter, till Akbar turns around and stomps off. But Salim never stoops to raise the fallen Anarkali, That is royalty for you!

As for Sivaji's perfectionism with the naadaswaram, that is the man all over. I was told that Dilip Kumar learn to play the sitar for that Madhuban mein Radha naache re song in Kohinoor, But that is much easier to master than the naadaswaram. Unfortunately, I have not seen the film Thillana Mohanaambal, though I think they should have had Vyjayantimala instead of Padmini for it.. But I have the whole story as it appeared in the Ananda Vikatan, all neatly bound in Chennai!

Shyamala Aunty


Originally posted by: Sandhya.A


More often than not the ott feel came up because their performance was perfect. They played such unique distinctive roles that only the likes of them could play, which was very much apart from the common man.

Aunty, I had once seen the playing of nadashwaram vidwans, real experts at the instrument and was stunned how much Shivaji's performance in 'Thillana Mohanambal' was flawless. The mannerisms, the breath control while playing, the finger movements, the accents, the attitude, i was totally bowled over. Except that the leads looked older than preferable the movie looked incredibly real though the first impression i had formed of the movie was that it was ott.

In MEA too PK looks rigid and too commanding. But then Akbar was commanding and self confident ( unlike our lallu panju). That is how it had to be played. Akbar waa a larger than life personna and the performance also had to be larger than life. It cannot be like that of the man next door.

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Posted: 10 years ago
DEAR SHYAMALA AUNTY


PLEASE TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF. THE LAST THING WE WOULD WANT WOULD BE THAT YOU FALL ILL FOR THIS ACTIVITY THAT YOU ARE SO PAINSTAKINGLY DOING FOR US :)

EAGER THOUGH WE MAY BE TO READ ON, PLS REST ASSURED THAT WEARE WILLING TO WAIT FOR YOU TO COMPLETELY RECOVER AND THEN RESUME.

AND, AUNTY, I DONT THINK ANYONE IS TOO OLD TO BLUSH :)

AND THE PRAISE IS HARDLY EXTRAVAGANT, IT IS YOUR WRITING THAT IS

WISHING THAT YOU FEEL BETTER, LAVANYA


Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Lavanya,

I am too old to blush, even at such extravagant praise, but consider it done ! And thanks ever so much, my dear, for such logical and credible compliments!

I have been under the weather these last 2 days, but I shall put up Part 5 on Sunday.So get set anew for that!

Shyamala Aunty

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Posted: 10 years ago
Shyamala,
You bring up completely valid points about the difference in the scenarios between the movie and the show w.r.t to the sword fighting scene. The movie JA ranks among my all time favorites ( especially the first half) and is one of the few movies I have purchased a set of high quality original DVD's of where I can watch it over and over again. The scene you described was mesmerizing especially when he catches first glimpse of her and then when he walks out of the hojra ...like he has been gobsmacked !!!

I was only awed that given the limited resources available to television and given the relatively unknown actors ...that they were able to recreate such a highly entertaining and intense scene

I am dismayed you may not continue with your original plan of posting although I understand the reasons. Shyamala the best is still to come though😭 I was looking forward to reliving some memorable scenes with you...like the time Jalal an Jodha are standing at the threshold of the other world ( post poisoning) when he yanks her back from the jaws of Yama and the episode post hasan's death ( I remember your amazing analysis though I don't remember if it was a separate post). And oh who can forget Gordian's knot and Shakespearean heights!!!!

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Posted: 10 years ago
Good Lord ! You too aunty. I thought that only my grandmom mom and aunts were such devout magazine story binders.😲 We have stacks of the original editions torn from the magazines esp Kalki and neatly bound. The Ponniyin Selvan, Kadal Pura and numerous other works by Kalki and Saandilyan. Historicals and non-historicals. My grandmother used to be proud of her collection.

You much watch TM movie aunty. Surely it must be on youtube. The make up was too loud and Padmini quite old looking. Else the movie is really good. The wicked shameless 'Vaithi' played by Nagesh is a treat to watch.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Exactly, my dear. Akbar had to be like that.

And Salim too, he never forgot that he was a Mughal prince, and he never stooped, even in love. Remember the scene when Anarkali, fleeing in sheer terror from an advancing Akbar, runs to Salim's arms, but then, feeling the taap of the Shahenshah's fierce gaze even on her back, she slowly collapses at Salim's feet. Salim stares back at Akbar's angry glare, holding his own and never letting his gaze falter, till Akbar turns around and stomps off. But Salim never stoops to raise the fallen Anarkali, That is royalty for you!

As for Sivaji's perfectionism with the naadaswaram, that is the man all over. I was told that Dilip Kumar learn to play the sitar for that Madhuban mein Radha naache re song in Kohinoor, But that is much easier to master than the naadaswaram. Unfortunately, I have not seen the film Thillana Mohanaambal, though I think they should have had Vyjayantimala instead of Padmini for it.. But I have the whole story as it appeared in the Ananda Vikatan, all neatly bound in Chennai!

Shyamala Aunty


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