Jodha Akbar 16th March 2015 ...Page-12 - Page 8

Originally posted by: history_geek

Mandy,

Kitna bada comment kar dia. It was very short initially :-P

I am not entering this J vs J debate back again. I have agreed earlier with you on this front as per presentation which was not nice, BUT My views differ "some what" on this topic and we already discussed this before in another thread. :-P
Link:
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/120303576

We have even discussed about Ruqs and Jodha and Akbar. Link:
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/120248618

Rest is the issue of Sati Reform..
About Sati reform, yes i agree completely with you. They can show Jodha here, and even in Akbar THE Great serial they had shown it. Was going to post soon on this topic. Will be writing there.

Finally my views about the Friday episode / present track:

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Finally my views about the Friday episode / present track:

Disclaimer: Not seen epi except last 5-10 mins since the lep scene. Basing my views on what I read here.

First, thanks for update, Abhay and the warnings. That was good anticipatory bail but you still had to take a few "knocks". 😆

NR: From Natakiya Rupantar to Nautanki Rupantar

The CVs seemed to have reformed when they started this (God) track and we were all hopeful of a revival of the show with more focus on history and JA. But as the episodes pass, there is that familiar sinking feeling again and that unexplainable feeling of nausea in the pit of the stomach seeing the nautanki that is being dished out in the name of NR.

I agree Akbar used to go out as a commoner to discover the problems faced by his people BUT...it used to be a SHORT trip where he would simply go, observe and return to the palace. I DO NOT believe he ever actually LIVED like a commoner for such a long period in a single place.

I was ready to go along with the commoner track if we could see some fruitful result of it - namely the realization of Akbar that God was much more powerful than him and that he was in no way equal to God.

While this realization has dawned on Akbar somewhat, the track instead of ending here, is meandering down cheap vaudeville streets.

I could accept somewhat Akbar agreeing to be whipped in the pilgrim tax track. Though even there, the real Akbar would not have gone for the whiplash but given one to the erring official!

But here, the entire track is more convoluted than a whirlpool.

Suppose Akbar found out about Jagdev hoarding grain with the intent to send them to Mirza Hakim. What would he (the real Akbar) do?

He is in constant touch with his officials. He would simply send them a message and get Jagdev arrested and all the grain bags confiscated.

Why would HE confront the villain with the help of Jodha turned Sarpanch? Earlier only Jodha was shown to be foolish enough to confront vamps and alert them. Now even Akbar has plunged to those levels of naivete! The other day, JA were made to confront Jagdev about the sacks with the Mughal logo. He must have got alerted then only. (Though why he didn't change his godown or better still, change the sacks to plain ones, is a mystery.)

What was Akbar thinking? That Jodha as Radha was so powerful that she would accuse Jagdev and that would be enough to get the villagers to lynch the villain? The sheer idiocy of the plan boggles the mind!

Why would the real Akbar take the punishment? Akbar was concerned about his awaam and could have been blessed with a conscience too. But I DO NOT believe the real Akbar would have taken the punishment. He would have revealed his identity and forced the villain to own up.

If the real Akbar took the punishment for some strange reason, he would take it manly. He would not fall to the ground, let alone at anyone's feet, at the end of just 10 whiplashes. Heck, he was stronger when Abul Mali beat him black and blue. Even then, he didn't bend to his knees. Then why was he falling flat to the ground this time?

After having endured Friday's episode, I refuse to believe Akbar / AkDha has ANY plan to trap Jagdev. The CVs have officially declared AkDha to be helpless, clueless and utterly lacking in any sense of planning / forethought.

Why I feel this way is due to the promo of Jodha getting captured and Jalal declaring vengeance.

The lady getting colored in the precap would most likely be Jodha. Why would Jodha / Radha allow Jagdev to color her? Don't ask - the CVs wanted to forcibly insert a Holi sequence in the track AND show a JEALOUS JAlal --> the result? --> The precap scene. 🤢

Note to the CVs: Dramatization does not mean passing off anything in the name of NR, without regard to the historical characters, the reel characters' personalities, or the logical outcome of the incidents that already happened in the present track. Dramatization is only using actors to enact / recreate what could have happened back then with appropriate fillers in the gaps in history. It does NOT entail FABRICATING incidents or assassinating the historical characters in a highly ILLOGICAL manner.

Many friends have already asked why Ruk is not punished for her past deeds, if Akbar can be. Well, my dear friends, she is being punished already. A woman who was not used to lifting a single manicured finger ever in her life is being forced to do menial work now. Isn't that punishment TERRIBLE for a Padshah Begum / Badshahi Begum? No hot hamams, no bandis to press her feet, OMG, no hukkah even, not getting the chance to throw one of her royal tantrums and generally break things and no one to order around except the hapless AkDha.

But why did God remember to punish Akbar for burning the houses of the poor people for building the fort? Why was Akbar not punished for his jallad phase or for his carnage in Chittor?

Truth is stranger than fiction but sometimes fiction is weirder than truth, esp if one works VERY HARD at creating such fiction a la the CVs of JA. Kudos to them for reducing one of the greatest stories in the world to a nautanki - only Ekta's team can achieve this great feat through their BRILLIANT screenplay! 👏

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Hey Abhay

I feel if Jodha is shown telling Akbar about the Sati incident and THEN Akbar goes off to stop it, again some fans may feel Jodha is being glorified and all credit for stopping the sati is being given to her when it was Akbar who had been the real hero.

I think to keep all Jodha and JAlal fans happy, the two should be kept totally separated - each doing his / her own thing and their spheres of influence should never interject. 😆

@bold: Yep, I totally agree with you. Dont know what to say about JJ fans...

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Finally my views about the Friday episode / present track:

Disclaimer: Not seen epi except last 5-10 mins since the lep scene. Basing my views on what I read here.

First, thanks for update, Abhay and the warnings. That was good anticipatory bail but you still had to take a few "knocks". 😆

NR: From Natakiya Rupantar to Nautanki Rupantar

The CVs seemed to have reformed when they started this (God) track and we were all hopeful of a revival of the show with more focus on history and JA. But as the episodes pass, there is that familiar sinking feeling again and that unexplainable feeling of nausea in the pit of the stomach seeing the nautanki that is being dished out in the name of NR.

I agree Akbar used to go out as a commoner to discover the problems faced by his people BUT...it used to be a SHORT trip where he would simply go, observe and return to the palace. I DO NOT believe he ever actually LIVED like a commoner for such a long period in a single place.

I was ready to go along with the commoner track if we could see some fruitful result of it - namely the realization of Akbar that God was much more powerful than him and that he was in no way equal to God.

While this realization has dawned on Akbar somewhat, the track instead of ending here, is meandering down cheap vaudeville streets.

I could accept somewhat Akbar agreeing to be whipped in the pilgrim tax track. Though even there, the real Akbar would not have gone for the whiplash but given one to the erring official!

But here, the entire track is more convoluted than a whirlpool.

Suppose Akbar found out about Jagdev hoarding grain with the intent to send them to Mirza Hakim. What would he (the real Akbar) do?

He is in constant touch with his officials. He would simply send them a message and get Jagdev arrested and all the grain bags confiscated.

Why would HE confront the villain with the help of Jodha turned Sarpanch? Earlier only Jodha was shown to be foolish enough to confront vamps and alert them. Now even Akbar has plunged to those levels of naivete! The other day, JA were made to confront Jagdev about the sacks with the Mughal logo. He must have got alerted then only. (Though why he didn't change his godown or better still, change the sacks to plain ones, is a mystery.)

What was Akbar thinking? That Jodha as Radha was so powerful that she would accuse Jagdev and that would be enough to get the villagers to lynch the villain? The sheer idiocy of the plan boggles the mind!

Why would the real Akbar take the punishment? Akbar was concerned about his awaam and could have been blessed with a conscience too. But I DO NOT believe the real Akbar would have taken the punishment. He would have revealed his identity and forced the villain to own up.

If the real Akbar took the punishment for some strange reason, he would take it manly. He would not fall to the ground, let alone at anyone's feet, at the end of just 10 whiplashes. Heck, he was stronger when Abul Mali beat him black and blue. Even then, he didn't bend to his knees. Then why was he falling flat to the ground this time?

After having endured Friday's episode, I refuse to believe Akbar / AkDha has ANY plan to trap Jagdev. The CVs have officially declared AkDha to be helpless, clueless and utterly lacking in any sense of planning / forethought.

Why I feel this way is due to the promo of Jodha getting captured and Jalal declaring vengeance.

The lady getting colored in the precap would most likely be Jodha. Why would Jodha / Radha allow Jagdev to color her? Don't ask - the CVs wanted to forcibly insert a Holi sequence in the track AND show a JEALOUS JAlal --> the result? --> The precap scene. 🤢

Note to the CVs: Dramatization does not mean passing off anything in the name of NR, without regard to the historical characters, the reel characters' personalities, or the logical outcome of the incidents that already happened in the present track. Dramatization is only using actors to enact / recreate what could have happened back then with appropriate fillers in the gaps in history. It does NOT entail FABRICATING incidents or assassinating the historical characters in a highly ILLOGICAL manner.

Many friends have already asked why Ruk is not punished for her past deeds, if Akbar can be. Well, my dear friends, she is being punished already. A woman who was not used to lifting a single manicured finger ever in her life is being forced to do menial work now. Isn't that punishment TERRIBLE for a Padshah Begum / Badshahi Begum? No hot hamams, no bandis to press her feet, OMG, no hukkah even, not getting the chance to throw one of her royal tantrums and generally break things and no one to order around except the hapless AkDha.

But why did God remember to punish Akbar for burning the houses of the poor people for building the fort? Why was Akbar not punished for his jallad phase or for his carnage in Chittor?

Truth is stranger than fiction but sometimes fiction is weirder than truth, esp if one works VERY HARD at creating such fiction a la the CVs of JA. Kudos to them for reducing one of the greatest stories in the world to a nautanki - only Ekta's team can achieve this great feat through their BRILLIANT screenplay! 👏

awesome and well Written Radhika...

hi abhay and radhika since you two respond to my comments...

abhay..i think you asked for the trouble😆..i thought you wanted more..abhay there can be no jodha versus akbar in reality..akbar was the invincible and jodha his third wife..akbar was the most richest and the powerful emperor in the world during last half of the 16th century and again jodha his third wife.! there is no comparison indeed..i just addressed my concern that the show should have shown some reality and balance in terms of their portrayal and not one sided like an imbalanced balance!..so the gadbad was in balance! and whatever akbar did in terms of being secular it was his far sightedness and him being a visionary!..and jodha might have been his true companion and a loyal wife which undoubtedly must have given him the strength!

radhika..i think the incidents such as satti or many more that involved harem ladies if shown properly could have looked convincing and real but again as i said such things are acceptable if balance is shown..if they show akbar fool in every track and jodha doing the marg darshan to the dumb akbar then where is the balance?..jodha and jalal lovers would have been happy if the essence of the story was left untouched that akbar was the invincible and jodha his strength..in other words jodha had powers becasue of akbar and not the other way round..but the show showed something else..and that is all from my side😃

..and abhay coming to the show i think its done with! i doubt if it will be redeemed or trps will go up..i highly doubt it!

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Finally my views about the Friday episode / present track:

Disclaimer: Not seen epi except last 5-10 mins since the lep scene. Basing my views on what I read here.

First, thanks for update, Abhay and the warnings. That was good anticipatory bail but you still had to take a few "knocks". 😆

NR: From Natakiya Rupantar to Nautanki Rupantar

The CVs seemed to have reformed when they started this (God) track and we were all hopeful of a revival of the show with more focus on history and JA. But as the episodes pass, there is that familiar sinking feeling again and that unexplainable feeling of nausea in the pit of the stomach seeing the nautanki that is being dished out in the name of NR.

I agree Akbar used to go out as a commoner to discover the problems faced by his people BUT...it used to be a SHORT trip where he would simply go, observe and return to the palace. I DO NOT believe he ever actually LIVED like a commoner for such a long period in a single place.

I was ready to go along with the commoner track if we could see some fruitful result of it - namely the realization of Akbar that God was much more powerful than him and that he was in no way equal to God.

While this realization has dawned on Akbar somewhat, the track instead of ending here, is meandering down cheap vaudeville streets.

I could accept somewhat Akbar agreeing to be whipped in the pilgrim tax track. Though even there, the real Akbar would not have gone for the whiplash but given one to the erring official!

But here, the entire track is more convoluted than a whirlpool.

Suppose Akbar found out about Jagdev hoarding grain with the intent to send them to Mirza Hakim. What would he (the real Akbar) do?

He is in constant touch with his officials. He would simply send them a message and get Jagdev arrested and all the grain bags confiscated.

Why would HE confront the villain with the help of Jodha turned Sarpanch? Earlier only Jodha was shown to be foolish enough to confront vamps and alert them. Now even Akbar has plunged to those levels of naivete! The other day, JA were made to confront Jagdev about the sacks with the Mughal logo. He must have got alerted then only. (Though why he didn't change his godown or better still, change the sacks to plain ones, is a mystery.)

What was Akbar thinking? That Jodha as Radha was so powerful that she would accuse Jagdev and that would be enough to get the villagers to lynch the villain? The sheer idiocy of the plan boggles the mind!

Why would the real Akbar take the punishment? Akbar was concerned about his awaam and could have been blessed with a conscience too. But I DO NOT believe the real Akbar would have taken the punishment. He would have revealed his identity and forced the villain to own up.

If the real Akbar took the punishment for some strange reason, he would take it manly. He would not fall to the ground, let alone at anyone's feet, at the end of just 10 whiplashes. Heck, he was stronger when Abul Mali beat him black and blue. Even then, he didn't bend to his knees. Then why was he falling flat to the ground this time?

After having endured Friday's episode, I refuse to believe Akbar / AkDha has ANY plan to trap Jagdev. The CVs have officially declared AkDha to be helpless, clueless and utterly lacking in any sense of planning / forethought.

Why I feel this way is due to the promo of Jodha getting captured and Jalal declaring vengeance.

The lady getting colored in the precap would most likely be Jodha. Why would Jodha / Radha allow Jagdev to color her? Don't ask - the CVs wanted to forcibly insert a Holi sequence in the track AND show a JEALOUS JAlal --> the result? --> The precap scene. 🤢

Note to the CVs: Dramatization does not mean passing off anything in the name of NR, without regard to the historical characters, the reel characters' personalities, or the logical outcome of the incidents that already happened in the present track. Dramatization is only using actors to enact / recreate what could have happened back then with appropriate fillers in the gaps in history. It does NOT entail FABRICATING incidents or assassinating the historical characters in a highly ILLOGICAL manner.

Many friends have already asked why Ruk is not punished for her past deeds, if Akbar can be. Well, my dear friends, she is being punished already. A woman who was not used to lifting a single manicured finger ever in her life is being forced to do menial work now. Isn't that punishment TERRIBLE for a Padshah Begum / Badshahi Begum? No hot hamams, no bandis to press her feet, OMG, no hukkah even, not getting the chance to throw one of her royal tantrums and generally break things and no one to order around except the hapless AkDha.

But why did God remember to punish Akbar for burning the houses of the poor people for building the fort? Why was Akbar not punished for his jallad phase or for his carnage in Chittor?

Truth is stranger than fiction but sometimes fiction is weirder than truth, esp if one works VERY HARD at creating such fiction a la the CVs of JA. Kudos to them for reducing one of the greatest stories in the world to a nautanki - only Ekta's team can achieve this great feat through their BRILLIANT screenplay! 👏

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Finally my views about the Friday episode / present track:

Disclaimer: Not seen epi except last 5-10 mins since the lep scene. Basing my views on what I read here.

First, thanks for update, Abhay and the warnings. That was good anticipatory bail but you still had to take a few "knocks".😆

<font size="3">NR: From Natakiya Rupantar to Nautanki Rupantar</font>

The CVs seemed to have reformed when they started this (God) track and we were all hopeful of a revival of the show with more focus on history and JA. But as the episodes pass, there is that familiar sinking feeling again and that unexplainable feeling of nausea in the pit of the stomach seeing the nautanki that is being dished out in the name of NR.

I agree Akbar used to go out as a commoner to discover the problems faced by his people BUT...it used to be a SHORT trip where he would simply go, observe and return to the palace. I DO NOT believe he ever actually LIVED like a commoner for such a long period in a single place.

I was ready to go along with the commoner track if we could see some fruitful result of it - namely the realization of Akbar that God was much more powerful than him and that he was in no way equal to God.

While this realization has dawned on Akbar somewhat, the track instead of ending here, is meandering down cheap vaudeville streets.

I could accept somewhat Akbar agreeing to be whipped in the pilgrim tax track. Though even there, the real Akbar would not have gone for the whiplash but given one to the erring official!

But here, the entire track is more convoluted than a whirlpool.

Suppose Akbar found out about Jagdev hoarding grain with the intent to send them to Mirza Hakim. What would he (the real Akbar) do?

He is in constant touch with his officials. He would simply send them a message and get Jagdev arrested and all the grain bags confiscated.

Why would HE confront the villain with the help of Jodha turned Sarpanch? Earlier only Jodha was shown to be foolish enough to confront vamps and alert them. Now even Akbar has plunged to those levels of naivete! The other day, JA were made to confront Jagdev about the sacks with the Mughal logo. He must have got alerted then only. (Though why he didn't change his godown or better still, change the sacks to plain ones, is a mystery.)

What was Akbar thinking? That Jodha as Radha was so powerful that she would accuse Jagdev and that would be enough to get the villagers to lynch the villain? The sheer idiocy of the plan boggles the mind!

Why would the real Akbar take the punishment? Akbar was concerned about his awaam and could have been blessed with a conscience too. But I DO NOT believe the real Akbar would have taken the punishment. He would have revealed his identity and forced the villain to own up.

If the real Akbar took the punishment for some strange reason, he would take it manly. He would not fall to the ground, let alone at anyone's feet, at the end of just 10 whiplashes. Heck, he was stronger when Abul Mali beat him black and blue. Even then, he didn't bend to his knees. Then why was he falling flat to the ground this time?

After having endured Friday's episode, I refuse to believe Akbar / AkDha has ANY plan to trap Jagdev. The CVs have officially declared AkDha to be helpless, clueless and utterly lacking in any sense of planning / forethought.

Why I feel this way is due to the promo of Jodha getting captured and Jalal declaring vengeance.

The lady getting colored in the precap would most likely be Jodha. Why would Jodha / Radha allow Jagdev to color her? Don't ask - the CVs wanted to forcibly insert a Holi sequence in the track AND show a JEALOUS JAlal --> the result? --> The precap scene. 🤢

Note to the CVs: Dramatization does not mean passing off anything in the name of NR, without regard to the historical characters, the reel characters' personalities, or the logical outcome of the incidents that already happened in the present track. Dramatization is only using actors to enact / recreate what could have happened back then with appropriate fillers in the gaps in history. It does NOT entail FABRICATING incidents or assassinating the historical characters in a highly ILLOGICAL manner.

Many friends have already asked why Ruk is not punished for her past deeds, if Akbar can be. Well, my dear friends, she is being punished already. A woman who was not used to lifting a single manicured finger ever in her life is being forced to do menial work now. Isn't that punishment TERRIBLE for a Padshah Begum / Badshahi Begum? No hot hamams, no bandis to press her feet, OMG, no hukkah even, not getting the chance to throw one of her royal tantrums and generally break things and no one to order around except the hapless AkDha.

But why did God remember to punish Akbar for burning the houses of the poor people for building the fort? Why was Akbar not punished for his jallad phase or for his carnage in Chittor?

Truth is stranger than fiction but sometimes fiction is weirder than truth, esp if one works VERY HARD at creating such fiction a la the CVs of JA. Kudos to them for reducing one of the greatest stories in the world to a nautanki - only Ekta's team can achieve this great feat through their BRILLIANT screenplay! 👏

fantastic view I agree wid u absolutely d CVs hav kept up der high spirits or u cn say tkn a pledge fr degrading such wonderful historical characters who really did exist sum 400-500 yrs ago and did wonderful wrk fr d ppl bt unfortunately d cvs luks lik r nt used 2 writing script fr historical shows and dnt hav a tinch of knowledge of history spcly Mughal histry and therefore its goin in d drains instd of gting bettr its bcuming worst day by day by seeing d promo I realized dat d kidnapping of d main female lead ws also shown in one of d othr ekta's show whch also airs on zeetv in short ekta's all shows hav similar stry der is absolutely no freshness in hr concept bt dis particlur serial I feel here cvs shold hav hd sense dat d script der r writing fr is based on real historical characters and nt sum tom dick and harry 2 show all humbugiri bt luks lik dey wil show wat dey feel and nt wat is logical or sensical...

Originally posted by: history_geek

Suganya,
It seems you enjoyed the episode. :D
Hope for the best in future. I agree with your concluding lines.

Originally posted by: ghalibmirza

hi abhay and radhika since you two respond to my comments...

abhay..i think you asked for the trouble😆..i thought you wanted more..abhay there can be no jodha versus akbar in reality..akbar was the invincible and jodha his third wife..akbar was the most richest and the powerful emperor in the world during last half of the 16th century and again jodha his third wife.! there is no comparison indeed..i just addressed my concern that the show should have shown some reality and balance in terms of their portrayal and not one sided like an imbalanced balance!..so the gadbad was in balance! and whatever akbar did in terms of being secular it was his far sightedness and him being a visionary!..and jodha might have been his true companion and a loyal wife which undoubtedly must have given him the strength!

radhika..i think the incidents such as satti or many more that involved harem ladies if shown properly could have looked convincing and real but again as i said such things are acceptable if balance is shown..if they show akbar fool in every track and jodha doing the marg darshan to the dumb akbar then where is the balance?..jodha and jalal lovers would have been happy if the essence of the story was left untouched that akbar was the invincible and jodha his strength..in other words jodha had powers becasue of akbar and not the other way round..but the show showed something else..and that is all from my side😃

..and abhay coming to the show i think its done with! i doubt if it will be redeemed or trps will go up..i highly doubt it!

Mandy,

No problems. No trouble invited. Seen many more troubles already. :-P

There are many historicals running on TV. Now, i sometimes visit other such forums also. And, i firmly believe that majority of people do not watch this show for HISTORY. It's good that some here want history to be shown. But, majority care about the entertainment part only, and since that was gone, hence the fall in TRP's. I really have not seen any where such type of discussion being made about the comparison of leads.

As i said earlier, i do not want to compare Jodha with Jalal, and i won't enter this debate again. I perceive this story in a different sense. Let Ekta show anything, or any one believe as per their wish. I have a different understanding of JA on my part, i stick to that only. Only lament is that, Ekta could not bring that thing on screen. The thing we were promised is a love story of 2 people. Not of any one else, i mean not their son. :(

Viewers have remained attached to this show for the worst of the tracks. Right now, you and I also, and many here might not be enjoying the track, or Akbar falling at feet of his wife twice in Friday's episode. But the reality is that, Friday's episode was LIKED by many , i saw on Twitter. There are all sorts of viewers. Their issue is NOT a DUMB Akbar shown marg darshan by Jodha. That is not the thing majority of people think, in my opinion. The fall is NOT due to butchering of history. Most viewers dont care about Akbar vs Jodha or any NR or reforms. For them, this is any other show with a difference, they watched it as a story of two people from different BG's, who adjusted and scripted some thing different from rest of the stories. It was supposed to be special with a dash of royalty, which did not exist after some months, as we discussed..The start of SA really trigerred some serious issues for the show. I have never heard any historical coming at number-1 position in TRP charts. JA came here, and even that time, it was not because of reforms or history of Akbar, but because of the USP of this show - Love Story of a Different Era, with a royal stamp..