Jodha Akbar 3 March 2015..Check Note and Common Reply to all on Page-8 - Page 8

Originally posted by: SindhuMenon

Abhay, I am curious to know how Jodha has been credited for what ever Akbar has done. The mirchi war, Akbar said it was partly won not fully because of his begums fighting. Here they were shown to protect themselves.

AKbar said he changed for better because of Jodha. Does this not happen in every family after marriage. Both husband and wife change for better.

AKbar sending Salim away was his decision, he did not even listen to Jodha. Also he is not shown as a baby listening to his 9 gems, there are many occasions where he took decisions on his own.

The jaziya Tax, Akbar appreciated Jodha for some suggestions but he did not say she did it all. In fact Jodha complimented both AKbar and Birbal. It was clearly said Akbar implemented it.

So far Jodha has been shown to be so dumb and at receiving end of Rukaiya. She was shown fiery initially, post leap its only singing Loris, torn between Salim and Akbar, being ignorant to all plots by Rukaiya.

May be I am watching a totally different serial as I am yet to see what credits Jodha took of AKbar...


Also this GOd track, no where it is said or pointed that it is Jodha going to do it all or going to be credited. Its ridiculous to be speculating about something that has not happened yet. By helping Poor , sick people how on earth is Jodha going to be credited of what AKbar did. AKbar also has fed poor people, helped poor people. It was shown. So showing what AKbar does is Okay, but nothing of Jodhas should be mentioned. Why would that be? Also how can helping poor/sick people be called Nari Shakthi or stealing credits of Akbar

This Serial is About Jodha and Akbar and not AKBAR THE GREAT Emperor. So footage has to be given to both equally. People are watching this only for Jodha and AKbar and not Just AKbar.

Even the MUZ title given, it was nothing. It was shown that Ruks drawing a portrait of Jodha with Salim.

In fact after 2 months of AKbar being sick nothing was resolved and Akbar seemed to be worried for his awaam and is trying to resolve it and he is being helped by his 9 gems and Salim. So far here Jodha was shown to be taking care of Akbar...

Of course Akbar is one among the greatest emperors, I have great respect for him, but i dont think he was a SUPERMAN to be doing it all by himself. As u said we need to Look at both sides of the coin and not just focus on one side.

Originally posted by: history_geek

@Samanika..
Completely agree with your thoughts. Hope you watched at 8 today ?

Originally posted by: history_geek

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Originally posted by: Sabdabhala

ABHAY THE INTEREST THAT YOU SHOW IN DIGGING UP HISTORY IS REALLY COMMENDABLE

BUT THE PARALLELS THAT YOU SEEM TO WANT TO DRAW WITH THE CURRENT TRACK IS SOMETHING THAT THE CVS ARE NOT HELPING YOU WITH.

I JUST WISH THEY DID LISTEN TO YOU AND ACTED ACCORDINGLY

The CVs are presenting a dramatized version of some events from history and there are many tangents shooting off from the main plot which also relate to actual political developments of the time. Abhay is only helping to point out the real events from all this NR so that we do not miss out on identifying them. Naturally, as Abhay also has said many times, the CVs cannot present historic facts as is, for that would not make for riveting entertainment. So it might look like the CVs are going in a different direction, but, if you look carefully, they are also showing the same things but in their own manner.

TO ME YOUR EFFORTS SEEM DETAILED AND FACTUAL.

UNFORTUNATELY CVS ARE ON THEIR OWN TRIP AND HAVE NOT GOT THEIR HANDS ON A HISTORY BOOK, AS YOU HAD MENTIONED EARLIER

PLS COMMENT ON THE FOLLOWING POINTS -

1. YES JODHA WAS A POWERFUL AND POPULAR QUEEN MUZ. BUT WAS SHE EVER A POWER CENTRE AGAINST AKBAR? THE ANSWER AS PER YOUR RESEARCH AND MY OPINION IS AN EMPHATIC NO

No one is saying that Jodha was a power center against Akbar. She was not against anything related to Akbar or Akbar himself. Abhay has also clearly mentioned that the two will NOT clash in this track but will work together. So why this confusion?

2. CVS HAVE SHOWN AKBAR TO BE UNCONSCIOUS FOR TWO MONTHS, AND IN THESE TWO MONTHS JODHA HAS NOT TAKEN ANY STEP FOR THE BETTERMENT OF THE AWAAM. SHOULD SHE NOT HAVE DONE SO WHILE AKBAR WAS LYING UNCONSCIOUS?

Your first and second questions are clashing. Jodha, so far, has been shown to be a supportive wife who has taken extremely personal and wonderful care of her husband while he was in a coma. This is what any wife would do. If you remember the Ben track, when Jodha had taken the poison and was lying unconscious, Akbar too dropped everything and was by her side only till she recovered.

There are other people like Raja Birbal and the other gems and nobles and even the wali-ahad to take care of the day-to-day running of the administration in the eventuality of the Emperor being unwell.

Actually this Q made me ponder about Jodha's fate - you asked why Jodha didn't do anything for the awaam when Jalal was not conscious. Others are afraid she may start taking over Akbar's duties towards his awaam while he is not well. Poor Jodha - she is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't!!

3. IT IS MY GUT FEELING THAT NOW IF THE CVS SHOW JODHA TAKING UP HER POWER AS MUZ, IT WILL BE IN DIRECT CONFLICT OF THE EMPEROR. WOULD THIS NOT THEN CREATE A RIFT BETWEEN THE TWO?

Why do you feel that if Jodha does something as the MUZ, it will clash with the Emperor's work? The Emperor thought out all these possibilities BEFORE creating the position of MUZ and gave her a role that supported his own work and not conflicted with it. If you read the farmans of MUZ and HB, they have always supported the Emperor and NEVER gone against him.

Jodha and Akbar are not babies anymore nor hot-headed youngsters. They are mature and dedicated to the awaam and will work without any rift between them for the welfare of their people. Just wait and watch instead of worrying about something that MAY never happen.:)

4. YES DIN E ILAHI SHOULD BE IN THE PROCESS OF BEING INTRODUCED AND YOUR OPTIMISM REGARDING THIS IS COMMENDABLE. BUT IS THIS THE FRAME OF MIND WITH WHICH AKBAR THOUGHT OF DIN E ILAHI - AS SOME SORT OF REVENGE TOWARDS THE EXISTING ALMIGHTY WHO DID NOT HEED WHEN HE WANTED?

THE SCENE SHOWED YESTERDAY SEEMS TO INDICATE THE HATRED THAT AKBAR HAD FOR GOD. TO ME AT LEAST IT DOES NOT SEEM LIKE THE PROPER FRAME OF MIND TO CREATE A NEW RELIGION THAT CONTAINS THE POSITIVES OF ALL EXISTING RELIGIONS.

First of all, AKbar does not hate God. He is only questioning Him. Which is a natural thing that many people do in their lives when they are emotionally wrought. If you remember, Akbar had questioned God before the Chittor war too. But soon returned to God's path.

This time too he is only questioning God as to why he is facing so much trouble all at once when he was always a good devotee.

Secondly, Din-i-ilahi is not a religion but only emphasizes the pir-murid relationship between Akbar and his disciples. If you read the Persian texts, neither Fazl nor Badayuni have ever called it a religion.

Akbar may defeat the Mirza Hakim-Shah Mansoor-Shareef nexus before he starts off with Din-i-ilahi. Abhay has been stressing this is a long track. It's not like Akbar will announce Din-i-ilahi in the next episode. A lot of things have to happen before he reaches that stage. In reality too, he was disillusioned by how some ulema interpreted religion and hence started interacting with people from other faiths to understand the best way to serve God. All this, he collated together and tried to convey to his "followers". Abhay is only hinting that this track may head towards the founding of the Din-i-ilahi.

Just keep watching this track. It will show one of the best internal journeys of Akbar, peppered with some divine experiences --- his whole personality and thinking underwent a sea change after this period.

Lastly, Akbar was a highly complex man who never ever let anyone completely KNOW him even in his lifetime. There are many conflicting accounts of him, none of which gives the true or complete picture. You have to read many of these versions and then try to figure out just who Akbar was and what he was trying to achieve.

DO COMMENT

Originally posted by: vinitaj27

Hey abhay! Thanx for the update.
i just wanted o give a special mention to the scene where jodha is holding an unconcious akbars hand n telling him what they would do oncehe wakes up. I think that was the most touching scene yesterdy. Her in tears trying to keep hope alive n thinking of all the good times before. I think paridhi acted very well.
as for credit i would say that what made akbar great was that he was open to listening to other peoples opinion n accept them.unlike other kings he did not dismiss ideas n opinion which defied tradition or his personal thinking and jodh being his first wife from another religion n background opened his ideas to a world different from what he was used to. She played a big role be it from behind the scenes but it did affect the way he treated his public specially non muslims. I believe they were a team who supported each other n adviced each other for the betterment of their kingdom like a treu royal couple.

just a question abhay. In the older serial on akbar i saw that akbar on finding out what sati custom is forbade jodha by making her give a promise that she would not follow the custom upon his death. Any idea u have on that?

Originally posted by: crazydiya2291

AKBAR D GRT REALLY HAD GRT THINKING... BFR JODHA/HEER KUWARI BEING MUZ AKBAR BROUGHT IN TRADING BIZ AND SHE EXPANDED HER BIZ EXCELLENTLY... EVN I READ IT ...AND IF SHE WS POWERFULL DOESNT MEAN AKBAR WS LESS COMPARE TO HER...AFTER ALL HE WS AKBAR D GRT... SUPPORTING WIFE AND PROTECTING HER FRM HARDLES DOESNT MEAN HARDCORE LOVER... ITS CALLED CARING .. AND LOVE DOESNT NEED TO B SHOWED .. IT CN B SEEN

KUDUOS TO AKBAR WO NEVER THOUGHT HIS WIFE VL B MORE POWERFULL DAN HIM ... INFACT HE WS PROUD OF HER👏👏👏

Originally posted by: history_geek

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Hi Mandy...
A Common candid reply to all your comments in chronological order. :)

I
don't know if you watched the episode before making the first comment.
No where it was shown that Jodha took any responsibility from Akbar.
Instead she was sitting beside Akbar while he was unwell .!

I
would mention that Jodha was NOT ONLY a Wife, who sat in harem. She had
her business and as you have read a lot i am sure, you might have
probably come across incidences "about her travel" outside the harem
also. At least i have come across.

Her accomplishments and
business are NOT at ALL LESS considering the times she lived in, when
women were not given prominence ; and especially her origin. She was not
a "native Mughal" but someone who came from outside and carved a niche
for herself in Mughal household. I think you will agree it was not so
easy for a 16 year old girl to marry someone else who was different from
her clan against her wishes and BEING THE FIRST such wife without any
acquaintance. At least those who married later had a thought that there
are previous Rajvanshi wives in harem, but she was alone at that place
as she was the first .!

I won't presume beforehand that Jodha's rise will be Akbar's fall. Let it play out in the show.
BTW,
I don't want to go in details, Nur was powerful, but Noor did NOT rule
right from day-1 in Salim's Empire ; coins were struck in her name one
year before death of MUZ, when Salim and MUZ BOTH were at their end and
critically ill.

This ants part is NR, i have been mentioning this
in all the updates on episodes. The writer on Twitter is facing wrath
of viewers for that nonsense of ants which was unrealistic.

I
would never ever compare Akbar with Henry VIII and insult the former. On
one hand, Akbar believed in equality on many fronts for both sexes, i
gave some examples in above comments, while the latter was no where
close to Akbar. BTW, Henry executed 2 wives not because they were more
powerful than him ; but because they were charged for adultery and
treason ; there was some issue with his clash with the Church also. This
is a basic known fact. Not mentioning details as Henry VIII is not part
of discussion of JA Forum.

Lastly about the topic of Akbar-MUZ or any other wife. None of us was present here. :-P
What
we say is what we read or hear in texts or folkLores. For me, i would
not repeat again as i have been repeating the same since 2013 when i
joined IF, i have posted enough articles on my blog. There is No single
Line, No single page, No single book, No single place from where we can get
conclusive details.

I have mentioned enough sources on Akbar-MUZ
, be its folklores/contemporary texts/travelers accounts ; even taking
their scans, BUT I genuinely want to know about the source which says
something about any of the other wives, even if it is a folklore about
any other wife i will believe it, but at least there should be one.! :)

PS
: Akbar did not give any of his Kids to Ruqs though she was childless
for over 50 years, though he gave kids to HB and Salima to raise in this
same time. What do i think.?. Giving kids was a NORMAL Timurid custom.
There are more points. I don't want to prove anything about Ruqs by
writing this, but i am just writing this point, as this is also a
different face of same coin. I appreciate your opinion but it's good to
read the other side also. :))

PPS : About the serial, i would
say, it is Dramatized version of events. Hence i leave the REAL people
at rest. I was busy in some work and came back to see such an
interesting debate/discussion here. So replied. It's 5:30 AM here in
Delhi, next day already began.!

Thank you all for the wonderful comments. :)))
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