Jodha Akbar 3 March 2015..Check Note and Common Reply to all on Page-8 - Page 6

Originally posted by: jojaparijat

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Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

So far, MUZ has been a most SUPPORTIVE wife ONLY and been taking care of her husband in getting well. She has not done anything in the nature of sultanat work.

Even going ahead, her work will mostly be of assisting the needy kind and not administration. So there is no need to speculate MUZ becoming more powerful than the emperor and fretting about it.

Having said this, I will say that MUZ WAS a powerful woman who had the complete backing of her husband in ALL her endeavors. Her husband was the one who ensured that she had the right to issue farmans, had her own haj business, had 12000 cavalry, was given gifts (by the nobles) along with him on the New Year's day.

Like someone said here, she and Akbar were soulmates. They never compared notes to see who was more powerful between them. They supported each other's growth and helped each other rise as high as possible. One person's rise does NOT mean the other person's fall. It is possible for BOTH to rise together. :)) That is the essence of a true marriage.

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Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

So far, MUZ has been a most SUPPORTIVE wife ONLY and been taking care of her husband in getting well. She has not done anything in the nature of sultanat work.

Even going ahead, her work will mostly be of assisting the needy kind and not administration. So there is no need to speculate MUZ becoming more powerful than the emperor and fretting about it.

Having said this, I will say that MUZ WAS a powerful woman who had the complete backing of her husband in ALL her endeavors. Her husband was the one who ensured that she had the right to issue farmans, had her own haj business, had 12000 cavalry, was given gifts (by the nobles) along with him on the New Year's day.

Like someone said here, she and Akbar were soulmates. They never compared notes to see who was more powerful between them. They supported each other's growth and helped each other rise as high as possible. One person's rise does NOT mean the other person's fall. It is possible for BOTH to rise together. :)) That is the essence of a true marriage.

My friends and i have read many books on akbar but nothing about his personal life and i have yet to come across all the NRs shown! And you all are mentioning as if you were there to witness it...i would leave it all up to one's speculation and perception!

And as far as my post on ruk is concerned i mentioned that Akbar was not a one woman man and gave equal love and respect to his main consorts be it ruk salima or jodha and never in public he showered affection on one more than the other and proof that he gave importance to ruk is that he gave khurram to her on her wish without thinking what jagat would feel and if he never cared why would he do that and also to specify my point here is regarding polygamy and its norms and since the show is about jj the focus has to be them but in order to show them divine they do not have to butcher ruk to such an extent...my point here needs a mature sense of polygamy status and not some kiddish discussions that who has won the tug of war. ..lol...sorry abhay for the little deviation from the main point!

@All..
I have replied to everyone in the first 5 comments here on this page. :)


@Donjas..
Completely agree . Perfect.!
The mystic experience in Vrindavan happened in 1573, which crosses our timeline of show even if we consider the leap, but the makers can show this as well, as we are in 1570's only, this would be a fantastic event. Construction of minimum 4 temples which were dedicated to Lord Krishna were permitted by Akbar, few years after that time to the Hindu rulers, in Vrindavan. One of the temples was contructed under Raja Man Singh and the architect of temple was the renowned Govindaas. Thanks a lot for reminding this event. :)
And you are right. The timing is perfect for Jodha's elevation now., even if we consider the need to garner TRP's, its high time she is shown as strong in engaging herself in affairs like welfare, business, etc.

@Mehak..
Your theory is quite possible. Jodha might take the welfare of health/women responsibility. BTW, In reality also, She DID get a well constructed for the people. It has been mentioned in Jahangir's memoirs {i can give the references with Page numbers if anyone doubts it :-P } and even contemporary travellers accounts. This part of welfare related activities can not be called NR, if given to MUZ.

@Harshu..
Agree. It's high time, Jodha and Akbar BOTH work like an Emperor and an Empress, enough of husband - wife angle has been shown. Just like Akbar was an Emperor she was ALSO an Empress, and you can read glimpse of one work at least in my reply to Mehak above. And what you are saying is correct. MUZ did have that ship Rahimi, the same ship was used for Haj in 1570's by the Royal Women Folk. It's not wrong to show that angle. Check this -> LINK

@Sindhu..
I know i am going to get a strong headed Akbar in this track, as he is going to be in conflict with many authorities. Just see. Only Thing i wish is a strong MUZ as well. Not the always crying, pleading, and Kanha bhajan(no offense) singing MUZ. Assign her some responsibilities also.! I want to see a balance in characterization. That too a "sensible" one. I dont want CV's to make her use her farman rights for some non-sensical reasons. Akbar knows what his roles are as an Emperor and i want MUZ also to be shown realizing that she is the Queen of Hindustan and has her responsibilities. I want some Balance. Till now in this track Akbar is acting on his own. Same i want them to depict for MUZ.

@Revathi..
Nice review. I want to say one thing - I have a hunch that we will get some intelligent move by Jodha tomorrow as regards Ruqs. Hope CV's won't show MUZ getting fooled again and again by Ruqs.! From what i saw in precap, both Ruqs and Jodha were right in "their opinions". Ruqs wanted to protect OTHER inmates from spread of disease, but Jodha was also right as a sick person will go in hospital only. :-P Lets wait and watch.

@Nanayaa..
Really beautiful post. Completely balanced, you are right, his wives can be shown as giving their inputs in some activities. I am sure CV's have balanced the roles for them as well.
If anyone missed then, Nanayaa's Posts can be read on Page-3.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/120113837

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Abhay

Lovely WU 👏 I missed the first half of the episode but your WU made up for it :)

So you think Akbar's disillusionment with God will lead him to look for answers in other religions and from there, it will be a short step to Din-i-ilahi? I would love to see the inter-religious debates, though I feel they won't be shown.

According to my hunch, Akbar is disillusioned with God. He will project himself as a spiritual master (pir) and seek to show the right path to those who accept him as their master. The debates will be skipped. Let's see what Ekta has in store for us. :))

Akbar may face revolts in this regard (^^^) and have a tough time getting back his lost standing among the public.

Do you remember the dream of Jodha where she saw Akbar in tattered clothes and a sadhu helps him cover up with a blanket? I think the dream means that Akbar's image will be in tatters and then some spiritual person will help him rebuild the image.

I would be EXTREMELY happy to see rise of MUZ. God knows I have been WAITING for this day ever since she got the title of MUZ and the crown. 😃

And if she achieves some growth in her personality on HER OWN without any push from Akbar, then that would be the cherry on the cake. 👍🏼

She may go out among the masses and help them rebuild their lives and in the process, turn their hatred for Akbar into respect again. She may open a hospital for the really sick people after Ruq challenges her about the lady with the infectious diseases (leprosy?).

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

So far, MUZ has been a most SUPPORTIVE wife ONLY and been taking care of her husband in getting well. She has not done anything in the nature of sultanat work.

Even going ahead, her work will mostly be of assisting the needy kind and not administration. So there is no need to speculate MUZ becoming more powerful than the emperor and fretting about it.

Having said this, I will say that MUZ WAS a powerful woman who had the complete backing of her husband in ALL her endeavors. Her husband was the one who ensured that she had the right to issue farmans, had her own haj business, had 12000 cavalry, was given gifts (by the nobles) along with him on the New Year's day.

Like someone said here, she and Akbar were soulmates. They never compared notes to see who was more powerful between them. They supported each other's growth and helped each other rise as high as possible. One person's rise does NOT mean the other person's fall. It is possible for BOTH to rise together. :)) That is the essence of a true marriage.

Radhika,
I completely agree with this assessment of yours.

@Bold...This has to happen. Remember Akbar assumed supreme powers to interpret the "Personal Law" in cases of dispute and that was the FINAL trigger to the revolt. :)

@Bold underline... I think this is what Donjas was also saying. Perhaps the NR of Vrindavan mysticism would be presented here. :))

@Italics...I mentioned same thing in above reply. Like Akbar i want Jodha also to be shown as self-realizing of her role in the Sultanate. When we have read farmans issued by Hamida Begum and MUZ , then why can not these ladies be shown issuing them in the show at least ?

Totally agreed with your second comment. It was Akbar's greatness also that he ensured she had those rights and powers, no doubt MUZ also ATTAINED all that by her qualities.How many 16th Century monarchs did so other than Akbar ? He was confident of the qualities of his harem folks.! After defeat of Hakim he gave the throne to his sister.?
I am yet to see a King treating a woman at par with him that he even gave throne to a lady in THAT AGE !!!

I would prefer to call MUZ talented rather than powerful. Infact, Her talent earned that power to her. She got all those positions due to her distinguished qualities. :)

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Hi Mandy...
A Common candid reply to all your comments in chronological order. :)

I don't know if you watched the episode before making the first comment. No where it was shown that Jodha took any responsibility from Akbar. Instead she was sitting beside Akbar while he was unwell .!

I would mention that Jodha was NOT ONLY a Wife, who sat in harem. She had her business and as you have read a lot i am sure, you might have probably come across incidences "about her travel" outside the harem also. At least i have come across.

Her accomplishments and business are NOT at ALL LESS considering the times she lived in, when women were not given prominence ; and especially her origin. She was not a "native Mughal" but someone who came from outside and carved a niche for herself in Mughal household. I think you will agree it was not so easy for a 16 year old girl to marry someone else who was different from her clan against her wishes and BEING THE FIRST such wife without any acquaintance. At least those who married later had a thought that there are previous Rajvanshi wives in harem, but she was alone at that place as she was the first .!

I won't presume beforehand that Jodha's rise will be Akbar's fall. Let it play out in the show.
BTW, I don't want to go in details, Nur was powerful, but Noor did NOT rule right from day-1 in Salim's Empire ; coins were struck in her name one year before death of MUZ, when Salim and MUZ BOTH were at their end and critically ill.

This ants part is NR, i have been mentioning this in all the updates on episodes. The writer on Twitter is facing wrath of viewers for that nonsense of ants which was unrealistic.

I would never ever compare Akbar with Henry VIII and insult the former. On one hand, Akbar believed in equality on many fronts for both sexes, i gave some examples in above comments, while the latter was no where close to Akbar. BTW, Henry executed 2 wives not because they were more powerful than him ; but because they were charged for adultery and treason ; there was some issue with his clash with the Church also. This is a basic known fact. Not mentioning details as Henry VIII is not part of discussion of JA Forum.

Lastly about the topic of Akbar-MUZ or any other wife. None of us was present here. :-P
What we say is what we read or hear in texts or folkLores. For me, i would not repeat again as i have been repeating the same since 2013 when i joined IF, i have posted enough articles on my blog. There is No single Line, No single page, No single book, No single place from where we can get conclusive details.

I have mentioned enough sources on Akbar-MUZ , be its folklores/contemporary texts/travelers accounts ; even taking their scans, BUT I genuinely want to know about the source which says something about any of the other wives, even if it is a folklore about any other wife i will believe it, but at least there should be one.! :)

PS : Akbar did not give any of his Kids to Ruqs though she was childless for over 50 years, though he gave kids to HB and Salima to raise in this same time. What do i think.?. Giving kids was a NORMAL Timurid custom. There are more points. I don't want to prove anything about Ruqs by writing this, but i am just writing this point, as this is also a different face of same coin. I appreciate your opinion but it's good to read the other side also. :))

PPS : About the serial, i would say, it is Dramatized version of events. Hence i leave the REAL people at rest. I was busy in some work and came back to see such an interesting debate/discussion here. So replied. It's 5:30 AM here in Delhi, next day already began.!

Thank you all for the wonderful comments. :)))

Originally posted by: ...rio...

ABHAY DA!! First of all thankz fa a beautiful update!!yah!when dis God track startd i thought may b Akbar will create a new sec of religion thatz mentiond in d history..hmh!! I agree with u..Aram nd jodha's scenes always make us smile..such cute..nd i was sad by watchng d cndtn of awaam..jalal woke..nd jajo bond awesme..jalal is still nt realizing his mistake..*smh* now the tigress is awakened!letz see what jodha does..ehhe! Maan is caught red handed!urgh!! Nd rukz nd jodha didnt fi8..thank God..nd exciting precap!! All of em, a mix impression wala epi..gd track going on.. Letz hope fa d best !

Originally posted by: ...rio...

BUT AKBAR WAS REALLY INTELLIGENT!SO Y ISNT HE UNDRSTNDING DAT SHAH MAANSOOR IS PROVOKING HIM ND HEZ DOING WRONG IN HIS EGO?

Rio,
It also depends how the CV's mould the track. They could have shown him "against God explicitly" , but till now i am happy they are giving reasons for all this actions. And also, showing him in positive light, someone who cares for his aawaam.. The culmination will be Din e Illahi but that has time to come. :))

Lets hope for some revival of the fortunes of MUZ also. I am happy Akbar is shown in POSITIVE Light till now.

Yes Akbar was intelligent but About Mansoor, he was the leader of conspiracy in the court, and Akbar had made him his Wazir also. :-P
Hence, we are watching it in this manner. :)