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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: elasingh

Mishthi plz understand that I am not really blaming him ...but i feel sad for his behavior ...yaar woh hero hai hamara lekin jo ka kya?


took sumtimes we say sumthing but we dont mean it. sumtimes jodha's dialogues r also not proper. jalal is hurting himself, bcoz if jodha is not happy he wont be happy as well. he wants jodha to be away bcoz he feels he will loose his loved ones. is he enjoying his life??? no. he wants people to hate him, he wants jodha to hate him. more he will hurt her, more he will hurt himself. as per ruku goes he doesnt need to tell her anything bcoz she is not at all imp for him. the way he shouted at her its clear he doesnt even bothers her existence. he didnt said anything in words like HB & SB but he made it clear tht she is not imp.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Rashmi81

Ela,

This is all " ulta".
Everybody was saying Ruku was distanced but here it is Jo.
And then after twins death they had a daughter and son died so if he had distanced himself from her then how come babies were born ?



Reshmi they are not going to show that .. again child death viewers will not be interested.. Ruku is still the same & JO is the one loose everything for that one night, which is not her fault 😭
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: munnirony

the blame thing is simply complicated. he isnt blaming jodha, he is actually blaming the love. in a way he was blaming himself for to be in love. he didnt shifted the blame to jodha, he deliberately detached himself from her bcoz he feels if he will be close to her he will again loose sumthing. he wants jodha to hate him. he wants evryone to hate him. he had cut all his ties from evryone. yup he is wrong definitely & we had always seen whenever he is wrong he always pays the price. but is he happy??? no. is he leading a gud life???? no. he is actually hurting himself by hurting jodha, bcoz they r one. this is again a fight b/w heart & mind. im not defending him neither im saying he is right, im just trying to portray his way of thinking right now. he knows he is wrong, but he deliberately wants to be wrong to challenge god. he thinks tht despite he had done gud things like abolishing tirthkar or jagiya then also he lost his kids, so now he wants to see wht more can happen if he is bad. in a way he fears tht he will loose tht person whom he loves. so it was deliberate so tht jodha stays away from him. this is actually his reverse love which is really complicated & as they say we hurt tht person the most whom we love the most.

shreya I understand what you are trying to say...But now I want both of them to realise that no child and no grief and no happiness is above their love...Nothing can break their love...this seperation will make them realise each other's worth but the thing is it is too long...Will both of them be willing to start afresh? Jalal decided to stay away from Jo but will Jo decide to be with Jallu again after three years?
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: elasingh

Adi what a beautiful explaination you have given and I am touched too...not just by ur explaination but the way your personality comes out in ur post...OK Adi may be he is distancing himself for her sake...I guess they need to realise that koi guilt koi aulad koi khushi and koi dukh unke rishte se uper nahi hai...This is the lesson they need to learn...😭😭



Ela koi bhi aur kuch bhi Ishq, Mohabbat, Prem, Love se uper nahin hai - and if you remember way back after the Sukanya shaadi when the maulvis attack Akbar over the Kali maa temple issue and want Jodha to convert, Salim Chisti sends a paigaam that his stand of letting her practise her religion is correct he had add that Akbar's reward would be when he understood Ishq - and this is it - he will understand that woh Ishq mei iss tarah doob chuka hai ki abb woh khud bhi Ishq hi hai - and being benevolent does not mean he cannot be hard or take harsh decisions - Ishq is about balancing the soft with the hard, the gentle with the harsh, the benevolent with the ruthless - as an Emperor he has to be both for the sake of his people
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: chocobrownies

Hi ela, I was bit disappointed by Jalal'sactions towards Jodha.. Why he needs to blame themselves and creating guilty mode where Jodha already sailing in guilt feeling which was brewing inside her.. I could get Jalal's extreme emotional turmoil which can't even be paid over anymore but why no one consider Jodha's feelings as losted mother for two kids.. How she could have been passed all those days? Yes I could feel their love in last scene where Jalal's eyes expressed much visible... Ignoring, accepting, denying all this emotions will bring them a new revolution in their status.. It was very obvious to know that no body can heal or fill up Jodha's place in Jalal heart.. Right now he was failed to see his life but soon SB is on wat it seems.. Onlything did Jalal ignores Rukaiya in this way..? Loved SB perfect speech in punching back Ruku.. Again cv's failed to show a motherly emotions from a real mother but from a biological mother? Again Jalal back to cruel mode? Separation or leap between them?

Archu did not you realise that three years have passed since twins death...and still they have not got over it...I guess it was too painful for them ...I also liked the way SB and then Jallu snubbed Ruku but is it enough? No one remembers how Hassan died and his death remained a mystry...Ruku will never go away from this serial and most of all I feel cheated as a viewer...Justice was not done to babies...Yes Jallu still loves Jo and has not forgotten her...
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: elasingh

shreya I understand what you are trying to say...But now I want both of them to realise that no child and no grief and no happiness is above their love...Nothing can break their love...this seperation will make them realise each other's worth but the thing is it is too long...Will both of them be willing to start afresh? Jalal decided to stay away from Jo but will Jo decide to be with Jallu again after three years?


When Akbar distanced himself from Jodha, she too did the same - read Khushi's comment with the soul talk - both of them distanced themselves from the other
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: adiana12

Again let me say what I said yesterday - If Akbar was becoming heartless then he would have revoked all the reform measures he had passed - yet he did none of that - all he was becoming was ruthless towards the traitors to his empire and to those who were giving them sanctuary - and he was back to expanding his empire and building his empire - on the surface it seems he was being heartless but he was only sending the msg that he could be ruthless with those who revolted and benevolent with those who were loyal - lets not forget that his loyalists - TM, MS, BM, BB are all around him and with him - becoz even in his ruthlessness he did not become a tyrant to his Awaam


yup. his heartlessness was just for his enemies. unfortunately, CVs will never show chittor destruction from his point of view. but expanding the kingdom was a common trait of a king & even gr8 indian kings had also done the same. jalal just tried to capture chittor & other things were not in his hands. the war was aggressive bcoz neither jalal wanted to leave his ground nor the rajvanshis.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: munnirony


yup. his heartlessness was just for his enemies. unfortunately, CVs will never show chittor destruction from his point of view. but expanding the kingdom was a common trait of a king & even gr8 indian kings had also done the same. jalal just tried to capture chittor & other things were not in his hands. the war was aggressive bcoz neither jalal wanted to leave his ground nor the rajvanshis.



Absolutely, and I hope we dont see any repenting after Chittor becoz Ranthambor happened after Chittor and Ranthambor capitulated without a fight after knowing what happened to Chittor - so in a way Chittor did have the effect that Akbar had wanted in his expansions
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Posted: 11 years ago
i just thinking one song for this ugly track from movie HOLIDAY...
Blame the Night...
Blame the Night...
Blame the Night...
Blame it on the night..
na na na na na na na...
Blame suhaag raat...
Blame suhaag raat...
Blame suhaag raat...
Blame it on the suhaag raat...
na na na na na na na...
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: adiana12



Ela, it is Jodha who blamed herself and distanced herself and all Akbar did was to find out what she felt and her thinking - and once he knew she was blaming herself for spending the night with him, his self blame increased to blaming his loving and his dil - and the fact that his having felt love was taking all he loved away from him added to his self blame - and so he distanced himself from his love and from everyone else as well


No Adi, Jodha blamed herself but she didn't distance herself from him out of guilt otherwise she wouldn't have gone to him to console him. Jalal started distancing himself from her. She tried again. Do you remember the scene where she did pranam to him but he didn't respond. I agree Jodha was feeling guilty but she didn't distance herself from him. She wanted to be his strength this time but he refused her help. I m not blaming him. I know he's in pain but please wrong interpretation mat do.

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