Downfall of SD, Updt on BB Pg 9, Abhay Updt Pg 18-DT NT Pg21&31 - Page 4

Originally posted by: history_geek

Radhika,

Nice Post...I loved reading it...It's good that we both are touching upon Different aspects of the Serial...

To answer your query, without inviting any trouble , let me reply in short...

1. Whatever you have written about the Protocols is absolutely True...

2. No buddy, there is NO Evidence to suggest that Sharif did all this "lecherous(can i get a better word to express my anger😊) stuff of hand holding" and went to her hojra for his Night Trips..

3. HK, being a DIGNIFIED lady -- " Uske Haath ko Chuna to Dur, Uski Parchai ko bhi Chune ki Himakat nahi kar sakta Koi.."..



Following Post...>>>
I have written all this in a free flowing manner and i am sorry if there are any errors in this writeup...I repeat , i simply went with the Flow...


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First of all hearty congratulations to all of "US" here.. ;p
Do i need to tell the reason.?. Arre...We stood at FIRST position for 2 consecutive weeks in the TRP race, and i am really happy that DABH went down. ( Sorry, i am HUGELY biased towards JA serial..) ...

Also, Hats Off to the Crew of JA for giving us such good Episodes Last Week..Except MA's act, it was a NO-nonsense presentation.. *Claps* ... I think they can learn a message that even the TRP Audience ENJOY well-chalked out / directed scenes, devoid of FILLER scenes..

Filler Scenes se yaad aaya, Did anyone Notice that - Atleast now, we do NOT get the faltu scenes of Javeda-MA, or Resham-MA-Javeda which used to take away lot of screen space earlier..??..Aur, Resham se yaad aaya, that MA's servant can attack Akbar / or Sharif...Let us see how this happens...

This week started with Jalal pledging to renounce his throne, and he had to be reminded of WHO HE WAS, by his Wife... I did not like "certain aspects" of that episode due to too much crying of Jalal (courtesy-Creatives of JA) , but i appreciate that Jodha acted in tandem that time...She was JUST OK...She did not cross the line and stayed true to "HER" WORD to "HIM" the last night(when he burnt the throne), that she will be with him in every facet of his life...They are "2 Dil Ek Jaan"...{ Where is Tamy.?.😆.. You can Explain this...No need to quote Rumi today..😉 }


Friends,
I am majorly predicting what CAN HAPPEN in coming Epidodes, based on what is happening in the Episode + spoilers ""coupled with my understanding"" , which the CV's are following, albeit in a dramatized manner...Akbar break down after MA's EXPOSE...More shocking will the fact if he comes to know that his Kids were 'eliminated' by his Foster Mother(who calls him his son, yet cursed his UN-Born Twins.!!..) ... Though, considering the flow of events as per today's episode, it seems that MA's Track has been put on a back-burner as of now..(She is not going away soon..Right now we are witnessing Sharif's track..)...I think at the end of this track, Akbar will announce equal share in property for Girl Child also...'Coz the Zee's tagline also says that J-J will fight "Ling Bhed", i.e., "Gender Bias"..

Either Sharif "OR" MA's servant can be shown attacking Akbar..Akbar getting wounded "seriously" ... And, we all can expect some TLC scenes.. 😉 Before that, Sharif's flight from Agra...We were given a HINT in this regard, when Akbar announced in DEK that Sharif will get the Subedari of Nagaur...He will revolt from there only...We hope, that some War sequences will be shown to us... { CV's have some mercy on us...Atleast koi jung to Dikha do..!!!!!. } .. And then, we all know from JA movie that Sujamal will be eliminated from the scene(though i do not think he will be shown supporting Sharif in his revolt OPENLY)...But all this, will happen "Slowly"..As Twins Demise track also needs to come in picture and we have to witness the Salim Chisti's trip too after the demise...CV's do show it as it is only...

Note :: >>
After reading all this, do you think that there "STILL" can be any chance of a Leap in JA to Salim-Anarkali.?. ROFL... It seemed to be a totally Non-Sense "Afwaah"..

BTW, i have mentioned all this^^^^ in my last episode discussion thread already..


Well.!!!!. Coming to Today's Episode...The Episode was Nice enough...


Jodha:: "Hota Wahi Hai, Jo Ishwar ne Socha hota hai.."

Stayed True to her Character and her Words to Jalal the other night, when she said >> "Hota Wahi Hai, Jo Ishwar ne Socha hota hai" . This reminded of of the Jodha of "Akbar-The Great Serial".. I really wish, CV's give her the same dialogue and she AGAIN EMERGES as Jalal's Strength, after the demise of Twins, and makes him understand the same that all this is no due to MA's curse...Though, it will be Difficult for her also...{.But just hoping.}...

Jodha's Stand before Ruqs about, Why should Birth of a Female Child should not be welcomed, reminded me of Salim's daughter, whose Birth had been celebrated with great pomp by Mariam Makani, Hamida Bano Begum, by announcing a GRAND FEAST...I think, this shows that these people were well ahead in their thinking those times also and hence Jodha's act today was TOTALLY JUSTIFIED as far as i infer based on my understanding, and i have given the example above...Jodha was just perfect, and achi baat yeh hai ki, she was not made an " Human Rights activist" by the Creatives, that too, ALL ALONE.. Salima Begum was equally present to give the example of Razia Sultana, who ruled Delhi...Ruqaiya was also correct as far as she thinks - that a Male Child sits on the throne...But Jodha and Salima's stand was based on the NOTION that " NOTHING IS A WRITING ON THE WALL " ... And, hence they quoted some examples in this regard... Salima Begum's example about Paigambar Sahab was again a good point raised by the CV's...

You know friends, i am loving this aspect of the CV's... They are routinely invoking some spiritual and divine aspects from both the cultures...Last time it was a Shloka of Jodha and now an example of Salima Begum...And, after that Jodha gave one example from Ruqs' culture only about the Female Child(which i could not understand)... {{ NOTE THAT ALL THIS WAS SHOWN IN THE SERIAL BY THE CREATIVES OF JODHA AKBAR, HENCE I AM WRITING THIS.. }}


Jalal:: "Ek Sipahi apni Taaqat/Kamjori samne wale Sipahi ko kabhi nahi batata , aur aapne to wahi galati kar di Raja Sahab.."

OMG..!!!!...Kya Bolun Main..??...The scene where he acts in a subtle YET calm manner during the negotiations with the Rival King bore a Striking Similarity with Bruce Lee's composure in 'Enter the Dragon(1970's.?.)' , before that Last Fight in the Room of Mirrors...I don't know how many know about him or how many know the scene i am talking about in that movie...But, really Jalal's face resembled that LOOK in the scene...He knew that HE HAD won the BATTLE before FIGHTING it..The "Killing Calm Ferociousness" was evident on his face...

But i request CV's to be a bit "realistic" in their measurement when they give dialogues pertaining to number of soldiers and elephants concerned... ;p
Also, i request them , to show and give respectable (if not Equal) treatment to the BRAINS of Rival Kings also...


Is this the NEW Beginning.?.

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The FAMOUS Duo of Akbar and Man Singh has started to take shape now...When Man Singh was LEFT to decide the terms of Negotiations with the Rival King, while Akbar left...Such was the degree of belief/warmth between Man Singh and Akbar...I remember Man Singh's Dialogue to Jalal in DEK that - "Agar Amer ki Sena Bhi hamare samne aa gayi to bhi humari talwaar aapke liye uthegi.." Oh Man..!!!..Hats Off and Salutes to your Loyalty and to your WORD to YOUR Shahenshah...How can i forget you are the same person to challenge and fight to the LAST MAN STANDING, with Mirza Hakim despite NEGLIGIBLE forces... This man really means a LOT to me... For his FIERCE LOYALty to Akbar...

Along with the famous duo, i am eagerly waiting for the FAMOUS TRIPLET of Man Singh-Akbar-TodarMal...And today , these three were present during the negotiation talks... I request the Creatives that they develop this BOND further, and also BRING BACK Raja Bhagwan Das...I know the actor playing BD has left, hence the CV's are not bringing him in the picture, but without BD, Akbar's "Team" looks incomplete....Lets hope that some good actor will be roped by the PH to play Bhagwan Das...


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Along with this, Jodha and Salima Begum have developed a like minded thinking on almost all matters...This is another relationship developing within the precincts of the Mughal Harem...It will be very interesting to see , how this "friendship" is moulded in future..!!..



About The Rest of Episodes this Week / Future ::

The precap has decided the fate of future events...Jalal is informed by Jodha that, BB delivered a girl, and hence he will come to know the "A-Sharif" acts of "Sharif" with BB...And, then Khauf-e-Jalal..The Wrath of a Brother Coupled with the Sense of Justice of an Emperor, is going to RIP Apart the Ever-'Deserving' Sharif.." I am just waiting for him getting stripped of powers and his subsequent flight to Naguar/Ajmer Suba...And, the Future Track we all know...I wish CV's do not try their Over-Dramatization here...

Overall, as i said before, i DO BELIEVE, that the CV's are taking care of their show (barring few non-sense scenes, like not following some protocols, esp. how DARE Sharif touched/rubbed against Jodha's hands.?.)...

Till now this week was nice for me...It contains an equal partnership of the Wise thinking of an Empire expanding Emperor ABLY supported with a maturely thinking Empress...

So friends, how was your experience today, and what you all feel for the Future Episodes..?...

Originally posted by: JAfanCharu

Awesome post Radhika .

I would like to share my views about Bakshi Bano's mindset and her behavior . I would also like to emphasize on the fact I am not sympathizing with Bakshi's state of affairs or with the blunder that she has committed . I am only analyzing her mindset . The readers are free to agree or disagree . Each one has their own thinking that should be respected .

Bakshi Bano was a widow who was married by Sharifuddin at Jalal's insistence . Jalal's intentions behind this union was a good one . He wanted Bakshi to be happy since she had seen a lot of grief being widowed so early in life .

Both Jalal and Bakshi had no clue about Sharifuddin's actual personality . This rat had his own agenda set , in wanting to marry Bakshi . Marrying Jalal's sister had its pluses . 1) Wealth , power and position in the Mughal court . 2) Misusing the same position to gather inside information to plot against Jalal and 3) Easier access to Jodha for ogling at and flirting with her .

Having been widowed so early in life , Bakshi thinks that Sharifuddin has given her a new lease in life . She is ready to go to any extent to please him . One can recall the incident where she was instrumental in giving the "potion" to Jodha that made her appear pregnant , at the insistence of her husband . The rogue Sharifuddin used her as a puppet to get his job done . One may wonder as to why Bakshi played along with him .

A weak traumatized mind oftentimes says and does things that can cause grief to the own self and to others . A weak person can be easily bullied and made to travel the wrong path and can become a victim of circumstance them-self . This is exactly the case of Bakshi Bano .

She was pardoned by the kindhearted Jodha , who also informed the royal family about her pregnancy and convinced Jalal to bring her out of isolation . She also convinced Jalal to pardon SD since it would be most necessary for him to spend time with his pregnant wife . Jalal obliged , Sharifuddin found this as an opportunity to ogle at Jodha . One call recall the scene when he was leching at Jodha in the swimming pool playing with little Rahim , Bakshi catches him redhanded .

How did Bakshi react towards Sharifuddin's behavior ? She did tell him that it was inappropriate , she faced physical abuse for pointing it out . She was fearful to show anymore verbal defiance , so became resentful towards the subject of SD's attentions , namely Jodha . Instead of even attempting to point out his mistakes she directs her anger at the unsuspecting Jodha . She already has a meek and docile personality . Added to this , feelings of inferiority have settled in , causing her to be jealous towards Jodha . Bakshi is not a bad person . She does not hate Jodha . It was the very same Bakshi who came running from prison to pray for Jodha , when she was lying unconscious as a result of the poison . It is only the resentment towards the attention that SD is showing Jodha , that forces her not to cast her vote for Jodha , during the harem elections .

Being fearful , anxiety ridden , getting abused and tolerating it has become part of her personality . She does not have the courage to stand up against the abuser i.e. her husband Sharifuddin . .

This part of her persona is exactly the reason for her lying about the gender of her baby . It was not intentional or pre-planned . She was petrified of SD's reaction to siring a baby girl , she said the first thing that came to mind without thinking of its consequences .

It makes me wonder how she , who couldn't defend herself , defend a baby girl that her monster husband was dead against having . Her motherly instincts made her choose the first thought that came to mind which sadly backfired in the worst way possible . In today's episode , she even tearfully acknowledges that she was scared of SD's reaction to the birth of a girl and that is why she lied .

A fearful and stressed mind does not think clearly or rationally . It only panics .

One may ask why she did not confide in HB, SB or even Jalal . Again , she desperately wanted only her husband's affections not any other family members' . She did not want to expose SD , for fear of being alienated by him . Her lying and getting caught clearly signify her cry for help . All of her fears , insecurities and the beast SD's impossible behavior will come out in the open . Both Jodha and Salima Begum will provide Bakshi with the emotional strength that she desperately needs .

This segment of JA is not just focussing on justice for the girl child , but also brings to light the plight of emotionally, verbally and physically abused women throughout the world . No woman should put up with any form of abuse is what we need to learn .

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Charu

I was only reading everyone's thoughts / views. Busy right now to reply.

But this post made me stop in my tracks. It is so clearly written and you have brought out Bakshi's character, personality and situation so well and so logically. Absolutely amazing post and some great points raised for discussion. I will get back to you as soon as I can.

Want to discuss in detail with you. 😊 Thanks so much for taking time out to post such a great post! 👏

I always love to read your take Radhika😛...Then when I read Abhay's, Maddy's, Tamy's, Preet, Sindhu's Ayushi's, Charu's take it makes it all the more interesting and entertaining😛...Each episode gives so many views, different way of thinking and writing --- some practical, some historical, some romantic, some philosophical, some spiritual, some sing their way thru our hearts😆 but it is worth the journey of our beloved Jalal and Jodha and JA😛

Originally posted by: nabiii

Very nice post Radhika.
1st of all Jalal is unfortunate bro despite loving ample to his sisters, he has no anyone sis to whose Jalal's respect, Jalal himself can b salient beyond anything as like as to sujmal, Jodha is always prominet. BB is not only a selfish lady but also a dumb lady. How could have she considered it that the man who slapped her continuously in her whole pregnancy period just to hear the word of baby gal, she could manage him in few days n this barbarous guy would b convinced who didn't give a bit importance of her in his life? Its shame for BB that being a daughter of royal family where she has gotten huge affection frm every family member for pampering n supporting on her hubby's every worse job. Along with sd, bb also deserves punishment for disrespect her family's love n family's reputation.
Radhika,i m unanimous with u abt jodha's yet naive perception on sd. Why Jodha yet doesn't understand despite seeing sd's redundantly touching her,sd's eagerness towards her,his facial gesture that sd's intention towards her isn't pure?
Another matter i want to add,i don't like the way cvs always show Jodha's apathy nature before continuous reprimand of ruq n bb towards her. Isn't Jodha a dignified royal mughal queen along with princess of amer then why does she sustain another lady frm her in laws family's taunt,shouting on her always without contradiction?

Originally posted by: JAfanCharu

Awesome post Radhika .

I would like to share my views about Bakshi Bano's mindset and her behavior . I would also like to emphasize on the fact I am not sympathizing with Bakshi's state of affairs or with the blunder that she has committed . I am only analyzing her mindset . The readers are free to agree or disagree . Each one has their own thinking that should be respected .

Bakshi Bano was a widow who was married by Sharifuddin at Jalal's insistence . Jalal's intentions behind this union was a good one . He wanted Bakshi to be happy since she had seen a lot of grief being widowed so early in life .

Both Jalal and Bakshi had no clue about Sharifuddin's actual personality . This rat had his own agenda set , in wanting to marry Bakshi . Marrying Jalal's sister had its pluses . 1) Wealth , power and position in the Mughal court . 2) Misusing the same position to gather inside information to plot against Jalal and 3) Easier access to Jodha for ogling at and flirting with her .

Having been widowed so early in life , Bakshi thinks that Sharifuddin has given her a new lease in life . She is ready to go to any extent to please him . One can recall the incident where she was instrumental in giving the "potion" to Jodha that made her appear pregnant , at the insistence of her husband . The rogue Sharifuddin used her as a puppet to get his job done . One may wonder as to why Bakshi played along with him .

A weak traumatized mind oftentimes says and does things that can cause grief to the own self and to others . A weak person can be easily bullied and made to travel the wrong path and can become a victim of circumstance them-self . This is exactly the case of Bakshi Bano .

She was pardoned by the kindhearted Jodha , who also informed the royal family about her pregnancy and convinced Jalal to bring her out of isolation . She also convinced Jalal to pardon SD since it would be most necessary for him to spend time with his pregnant wife . Jalal obliged , Sharifuddin found this as an opportunity to ogle at Jodha . One call recall the scene when he was leching at Jodha in the swimming pool playing with little Rahim , Bakshi catches him redhanded .

How did Bakshi react towards Sharifuddin's behavior ? She did tell him that it was inappropriate , she faced physical abuse for pointing it out . She was fearful to show anymore verbal defiance , so became resentful towards the subject of SD's attentions , namely Jodha . Instead of even attempting to point out his mistakes she directs her anger at the unsuspecting Jodha . She already has a meek and docile personality . Added to this , feelings of inferiority have settled in , causing her to be jealous towards Jodha . Bakshi is not a bad person . She does not hate Jodha . It was the very same Bakshi who came running from prison to pray for Jodha , when she was lying unconscious as a result of the poison . It is only the resentment towards the attention that SD is showing Jodha , that forces her not to cast her vote for Jodha , during the harem elections .

Being fearful , anxiety ridden , getting abused and tolerating it has become part of her personality . She does not have the courage to stand up against the abuser i.e. her husband Sharifuddin . .

This part of her persona is exactly the reason for her lying about the gender of her baby . It was not intentional or pre-planned . She was petrified of SD's reaction to siring a baby girl , she said the first thing that came to mind without thinking of its consequences .

It makes me wonder how she , who couldn't defend herself , defend a baby girl that her monster husband was dead against having . Her motherly instincts made her choose the first thought that came to mind which sadly backfired in the worst way possible . In today's episode , she even tearfully acknowledges that she was scared of SD's reaction to the birth of a girl and that is why she lied .

A fearful and stressed mind does not think clearly or rationally . It only panics .

One may ask why she did not confide in HB, SB or even Jalal . Again , she desperately wanted only her husband's affections not any other family members' . She did not want to expose SD , for fear of being alienated by him . Her lying and getting caught clearly signify her cry for help . All of her fears , insecurities and the beast SD's impossible behavior will come out in the open . Both Jodha and Salima Begum will provide Bakshi with the emotional strength that she desperately needs .

This segment of JA is not just focussing on justice for the girl child , but also brings to light the plight of emotionally, verbally and physically abused women throughout the world . No woman should put up with any form of abuse is what we need to learn .

Originally posted by: tamy267

nahi Ayushi maine abhi tak "do dil ek jaan" ke baare mein kuch nahi kaha"😳

2 din 1 jaan woh hote hai-

when one can be his/her real-self around the other,

when one can talk anything and sit by other's side in complete silence,

when one sees other's worst but talk about the best,

when one talks about his/her biggest achievements, but the other knows the deepest insecurities,

when one appreciate the other's uniqueness and cherish the divine union for an entire life time.❤️

Originally posted by: MaddyO

<font size="2">Nabiii - wonderful post.

Just a point about Jodha - to Jodha SD means NOTHING. He is BB's husband beyond which she never would even give him a thought. That he helped in Ben matter in saving Jalal's life is the ONLY reason she even talks with him.

All of Jodha's attention is on Jalal and especially now when she is pregnant and Jalal has been through such a traumatic time.

Jodha has started getting uneasy at SD's over attention but she cannot openly accuse him of anything as yet. Handing over the baby if fingers touched it was in front of BB, what could Jodha have said? When SD offered to walk her to her hojara Jodha every curtly brushed him off.

I really do not even want to see Jodha learn of SD's leeching about her. It should be Jalal who learns and thrashes SD. Why should Jodha have to face such creepy unwanted attention?
For all she knows Jodha might think it was not about HER but SD is a lecherous person with everybody. The point is SD means NOTHING to Jodha and she should not have to give him a thought also forget think about his leeching.

Hope Jalal just throws SD out from Agra.
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