Downfall of SD, Updt on BB Pg 9, Abhay Updt Pg 18-DT NT Pg21&31 - Page 19

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: SindhuMenon

@Radhika, @Abhay, impiya, JAFanCharu, MaddyO, Cleo, Rashmi, tamy, chitterati, neeshaa16, @all

Just came online to relax and went through each and every posts here.There's Nothing Like An Intellectual, balanced , positive, thought provoking Conversations. Loved everyone's post here and a big thanks to all of you. all of u were just awesome...

@Abhay - pls include me in all your PM's. I do make sure daily I do not miss any of your posts but still..

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Thank you Sindhu .

I would like to wish you and all other forum members from Kerala , A VERY HAPPY ONAM !


CHARU .
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: JAfanCharu


Thank you Sindhu .

I would like to wish you and all other forum members from Kerala , A VERY HAPPY ONAM !


CHARU .



Thank u..Morning actually was busy getting ready for tomorrow..
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

On Tuesday, a new track started - that of the downfall of Sharifuddin.



Just as Maya preceded Krishna's birth and warned Kansa about his imminent downfall, a little girl is born to Bakshi to sound the "death knell" of SD.

On Tuesday, we saw SD pronouncing ominously to Bakshi that she had to deliver a boy child and that she shouldn't even think of a girl at that moment. She tried to tell him that it was not in the hands of a woman to decide whether the child would be a girl or a boy and that it was all decided by Allah. But he would hear none of it.

A frightened Bakshi informs SD that she has delivered a boy, just to buy time, hoping that he will get attached to the child and will gradually accept her as his own. Little does she know her husband and his narrow-minded thinking.😕

She pleads with the Hakima to keep the gender of the child a secret till she herself reveals all. The good-natured Hakima agrees reluctantly.

God knows how long Bakshi intended to carry on her act, hoping in Fate not to get caught. Unfortunately for her, the best-laid plans of mice and men often go awry. So does her poorly thought out one. For Jodha, (who else, ?), discovers the secret in just her second visit to the child. Bakshi tries to gag her by a zubaan, but, Krishna has other plans. And without intending to, Jodha lets out to Salima BEgum about Bakshi's secret. 👏

The ever-practical Salima Begum first wants to inform Jalal immediately. But he is away. She then decides to approach Malika-e-azam, Hamida Bano. All the royal ladies are shocked by both Bakshi's misrepresentation of facts and SD's antipathy towards girls. Hamida leads a delegation to Bakshi's hojra to confront her on this issue.

At the same time, SD takes the child for a ritual (circumcision ?) and discovers the secret, to his shock and anger. Tonight we will see what happens when all of these parties congregate in Bakshi's room. The story is interestingly poised. 😊

I am leaving the discussion open with regard to Bakshi's behavior in this situation. Please post freely whether you agree or disagree with what Bakshi has done.

Personally I do not approve of it. But some may say that she did it to save the child from SD's wrath and possible harm. Should she have taken her brother or mother into confidence or did she do right in safeguarding the reputation of her husband?

Does saving the life of an innocent child justify cheating one's family, including the emperor, and the awaam? One day, the truth will be out and then what will be Jalal's reputation in front of his people?

Isn't this lady being extremely selfish in only thinking of her own life, marriage and child first and always? Earlier too, she had easily acquiesced to SD's plan to implicate Jodha in the FP case, just to please her husband.

Even now, she has no plan in her mind. She is just trusting to Allah that her idea will work. It's really amazing how this royal lady behaves. She never thinks of her family's honour and is never worried about hurting any of her family members, esp her loving brother. She is totally cut off from them, in spite of living in the harem and never bothers about their problems. She should consider herself lucky that she has such a loving and caring family who take such good care of her, in spite of her self-centred ways. Ignoring them, she shows complete devotion to SD who only treats her with contempt.


Oh! What a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive!

To cover her lie, she is forcing others around her to be deceitful and cheat Jalal and Hamida. The poor Hakima cannot be dishonest with her profession or king, yet she cannot disobey the sister of the king.

Jodha is tied with a zubaan - she is torn between her desire to be completely honest and transparent with Jalal and the word she has given Bakshi. Luckily she is delivered from this subterfuge by Kanha.

But now it seems that Bakshi is vexed with Jodha for revealing the truth to Hamida. It would be interesting to see what she does "to get even with Jodha". As it is, she is uncomfortable with Jodha because of her husband's obsession with the latter. She is afraid to say anything to her husband and is OK with watching her husband misbehaving with her bhabhi (equal to her mother, in our culture), even when the latter is pregnant. But she doesn't mind being sharp-tongued with Jodha and ask her not to come to her hojra.

At first, I thought that this is because she is concerned for Jodha and doesn't want her falling prey to SD's antics. But this sudden concern doesn't gel with her earlier rudeness with Jodha. Then I understood that she is only faking concern to keep Jodha away from her husband.

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This track is obnoxious because once again the CVs are lowering the image of a legendary queen. After the ignominious Khyber track in which they showed Jodha running off with Khyber and spending the night with him in a hut, now this!

Why????

In the olden days, there was a lot of protocol that was followed wrt how people behaved around royalty, esp the king and queen. I remember Jalal had once curtly told Ben that no one could sit near him till he said so. In fact, during the Ben track, Jalal asked Jodha also to follow protocol around him a few times.

When a queen visits someone in their hojra, an announcement is made and the place is cleared of all males, apart from her husband, brother, son or father. It is impossible for someone like SD to be standing next to her and touching her so easily.

There is a limit to NR. I can understand showing the girl child track in the name of NR. But showing someone behaving so grossly with a Queen, that too, a Chief Queen who is expecting babies, is beyond permissible etiquette.

How did the portrait of Jodha land in SD's custody again? Or is it a new one? Even if SD had to be shown obsessing with Jodha, it could have been more decently shown without actual facial expressions and groping with hands. Isn't this supposed to be a family show?

When will Jalal learn about the surung to Jodha's hojra and confront SD? Tomorrow in the proposed MahaShukravar?

I really wish Jalal gives him a befitting punishment for behaving so crassly with the queen and his wife and to-be MUZ. And also for abusing Bakshi and pressurising her to deliver only a boy. (as if a woman can just ask God for a boy and pay for it!)

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More than anything, I want this track to be wound up tomorrow - whether SD is punished or he flees - this track should end.

I cannot see a woman and a queen be so degraded by the CVs for the sake of TRPs. 🤢

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A sincere request to Abhay

Please tell me that this track isn't true! That would be the worst possible snippet of history for me.



PS: I also cannot forgive the CVs for showing Jodha to be so naive that she cannot guess SD's intentions.😡



Dear Radhika,

congratulations!!! For making such a thought provoking thread...I can see that it has already turned into a 100 crore blockbuster😉

Excellent posts by other members...loved reading all POVs.

I have already written about my POV on BB and gender discrimination...now I want to talk about Jo's reaction (or lack of it) to SDs lecherous behavior. I agree with you here...how could anyone have the balls to do it to a MUZ to be? But since the CVs have chosen to degrade her one more time, I will make an attempt to understand screen Jo's mindset and situation. This is somewhat similar to what I posted on another thread earlier this week.

I loved Chittrati's comment on the other thread in response to a question about Jo's inaction...pretty much sums up what I want to say.
it is too huge of an accusation to be made by a woman against a man in any century!
True...

Look at it from a female perspective. I spent the final yrs of school as well as college in India. Like most Indian women, I am also familiar with eve teasing, crass comments, inappropriate touching , lustful looks etc etc etc. How many of us reported everything to our parents or the police? Probably only a handful of times when a situation really started getting out of hand...If the person is a relative, it becomes all the more difficult. If we, 21st century educated strong women with supportive parents, were reluctant to take a drastic action the moment we realized that the person was lecherous, how can we expect Jo to do it right away?

So let us look at Jo's situation practically.

Her BIL ( daamad of the family) develops a crush on her...and starts acting on it subtly.

She will go through what any woman goes through...

Stage of DENIAL( no, I am mistaken...he is family) ...
Stage of CONFUSION ( am I being oversensitive? ...am I overreacting?)
Stage of ACCEPTANCE ( something is definitely wrong...I was repulsed when he touched me... He is not as nice as I thought he was)
stage of ANGER ( how dare he? )
stage of FEAR( omg...what will happen if I bring it up? It is my word against his...will they believe me? my sis in law will be devastated...my husband will be devastated)...
Stage of HELPLESSNESS (they believe me but why is no one is doing anything about it? ...what if my SIL gets divorced because of me).

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Jo may not be thinking about all this right now but what options does a woman in Jo's situation have after reaching the stage of acceptance?

1. Avoid SD.. But this is a temporary solution. It will only make him more desperate.
2. Confront SD...now this is a huge deal. This will make him hostile...Such men go to " I'll each her a lesson" mode after a rejection. He will start conspiring against her and do everything to make people doubt her credibility. She will land up in a more vulnerable situation.
3. Share it with BB...Are you kidding me? Has BB given Jo any reason to make her comfortable that she can share her innermost fears with her?. A woman who did not hesitate from hurting a brother who dotes on her for the sake of her husband's "love" will understand Jodha's situation and be supportive? No way... Very few wives are able to overcome their jealousy and make an attempt to accept that their " perfect marriage " is not so perfect afterall. It is very difficult for their mind to accept the husband is attracted to someone else...they refuse to confront him for emotional and social reasons. They find it easier to blame this " other woman" (who is infact a victim in this situation)..".She must have done something to entice him. He loves me...She cant be better than me."
4. Share it with Jalal...most husbands are not supportive right away. Their first reaction is insecurity and jealousy (and dont forget that a jealous Jalal is a dangerous Jalal) It is difficult for any husband to suddenly accept that a member of their family could stoop this low. Even when husbands know that their wife is innocent, most don't hv the guts to go against the family and confront the man right away... It is their wife's word against this man's. They need a proof before they do that. Easier to take out their frustration on the wife in the meantime. Not sure what Jalal will do after he finds out ...but let us admit that he hasn't been the most calm and composed husband when threatened by the presence of another man in his love life. Jo has a resaon to be cautious before she tells him ( especially after she witnessed how brutally he just murdered his own dudh bhai). She has to be a 110% sure before she shares something as scandalous as this with him.
5. Share it with HB...no way...she loves Jo but is emotionally challenged and unpredictable. Wanted Jo to commit suicide during Jo's FP track. Doesnt even make an attempt to understand her daughter's emotions.
6. Share it with SB...I like SB...She is sane but she lacks guts... Didn't utter a word in protest or get up from her seat to stop Jodha from drinking poison during Ben track. Didn't make an attempt to keep Shehnaaz away from Rahim when she was clear danger to the poor kid's life. Can't count on her open support. And cant expect her to go against the family for Jodha.
7. Borrow Jalal's narnaal and shoot the lecher. I wouldnt advise her to do so
(unless the situation is desperate)...certainly not before proving his guilt. He will become the victim and she will be an outcast in Agra .

Some wonder why the same Jo was so firm with Jalal whenever he tried to come close to her.
Well SD situation is different from Jalal's...Jalal never concealed his attraction for her...She hated him but knew that he wanted her...also knew that it was his right...she didnt have to go through denial, confusion or acceptance. She had reasons to go to the stages of anger, fear and helplessness right away... And she did her best
(all kinds of drama and dialogues) to keep him away from herl

Some wonder what happened to the fiery Jo who took a stand against Adham (tasneem track) and TM (nonsense track)... Why doesn't she react the in same way to SD? two reasons
1. human nature...it is a lot easier for people with Jo personality type ( idealistic to the fault) to stand up for others than for herself.
2. Besides the victim's testimony, the other two cases also had more circumstantial evidence.

So far, I dont have a good reason to blame Jo for inaction. She is on her way from the stage of confusion to the stage of acceptance. Hopefully, we will see a fiery Jo back in action...very soon.😊





Edited by Cleo12345 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Rashmi81

I want to see now ,how they got that emotional strength which helped them to face all the problems.They faced infant deaths that too not once but thrice .This will surely make somebody like me crazy ,But still they faced this and how did they get all this optimism .if this was through spirituality then I want to see this spiritual journey.And cvs should handle this properly.They shouldn't show that Jajo went to10 temples and 10 masjids and prayed.As we all know spirituality is far more than visiting temples and doing pooja .Its the strength we derive from God,Spirituality for me is the journey of a person from god fearing( which most people are) to god loving.That total faith in god and his doings.


Very well written👏
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Posted: 11 years ago


Awesome post , Cleo ! Superb arguments .

Jodha ( I think ) will definitely teach Lecheruddin a lesson . She has had only two minor interactions with him to give her a hint of his inappropriate behavior . She instantly rebutted SD's advances both times . This shrewd Rajvanshi princess will soon figure out the reason behind Bakshi's resentment towards her and handle Sharifuddin herself . She may not directly talk about it to Jalal for fear of him attacking SD immediately . I feel the Creatives may reveal that Sharifuddin had his eyes on Jodha even before she married Jalal during a fight sequence between Jalal and Sharif when the lech may himself blurt it out to Jalal in anger . He will end up getting wounded or asking for forgiveness .
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: SindhuMenon



Thank u..Morning actually was busy getting ready for tomorrow..

Happy Onam Charu and Sindhu.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Cleo12345


Very well written👏

Thanks dear
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Cleo12345


Very well written👏



Beautifully written Rashmi . I loved your last sentence " Spirituality is the journey of one going from God fearing to God loving . Immensely profound . I think the same way too .

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: JAfanCharu



Beautifully written Rashmi . I loved your last sentence " Spirituality is the journey of one going from God fearing to God loving . Immensely profound . I think the same way too .

Thanks dear.
I feel so it is a very difficult journey but in the end the result will be the enlightenment of one's self.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: myviewprem

You have superbly written my thoughts in this post

Thanks!

when all those women came to bakshi room they all were talking as if she is guilty and sharif is right
Even jalal when he came to room was angry with her or miffed but the moment he felt something amiss he was in rage
and this is 16th century folks not 21st century.

Because it was the 16th century, so the attitudes were such. A man, esp a son-in-law, was considered always right. My nana ji used to say that even if the son-in-law is a rickshaw puller, we have to wash his feet and respect him because of his position in the family. No offence here to any class / community. I am not supporting my grandfather's views either. I am just stating the position of a son-in-law in Indian culture.

We have seen even a ruthless warrior like Akbar being unable to kill his brothers-in-law for this reason, even though they deserve nothing short of death.

So, women supporting the son-in-law against the daughter of the family is to be expected. Jalal was enraged to think he had been fooled yet again by his dearest sister, esp as he is still recovering from the shock of the betrayals of Maham and Adham. It was to Jodha's credit that she met him alone (and before anyone else had a chance to poison his mind and) apprised him of the real situation.She cooled him down and ensured through direct and indirect talk / facial expressions, use of specific words and tonal modulation that Bakshi was the victim and not the perpetrator of any offence here. I think, Jodha understands perfectly how to act like a bridge between her husband and the other members of the family. This is an oft overlooked but very important role most women carry out in their families.
a jahanara who nursed her father to health and took care of him for 36 years after her mom death was spoken as having an affair with her father in street bazaars and foreign visitors letters. So you can understand how brutal society even foreigners thinking was of a single girl. And a jahanara was powerful she was empress of Mughal empire, she had support of dad, dara sikoh, Aurangzeb and her other brothers yet these type of gossips
I do not have knowledge of this part of history. And also, such discussion is out of the scope of this thread. So no comments. 😊

So what chance innocent and not worldly wise may be stupid bakshi has against this ruthless society. hence she is taking all this nonsense. secondly after becoming a mother girls feel guilty to separate blaming themselves for keeping their kids away from father
And in india no one really supports, if you leave husband they tolerate you for a few weeks or months than society start speaking as if girl is not good hence may be husband left, otherwise why wife leave husband, something wrong with wife only blah blah. Slowly parents will feel their respect and standing in society lowered because of their daughter leaving husband, babhi's will resent girls presence in house, brothers will be willing to support by wives will not allow. Its all hunky dory in front of world with sympathetic words behind back doors the girl will be abused mentally day and night by her own family. Instead taking torture from husband will look better. Did you not observe how all girls were blaming bakshi for lying not understanding why for what? If bakshi leaves her husband only jalal will treat her with love and respect and may be hakim and her 4 sisters all others the least said the better. They will taunt and misbehave her day and night till death. Bakshi was a widow must have seen all this as widow hence is taking all this.
Its like a cat who drinks hot milk will even be scared of cold lassi same thing

I understand where you are coming from and agree with your views. A Jalal's support isn't enough. She has to live in a society where life isn't easy for a separated wife. Early life experiences and fear to be alone is making her bow down to a husband she also knows is less than perfect. She is right now caught between the Devil and the Deep Sea.😕

and did you observe when jalal said hit sharif no khas begum, no moms, no aunt came forward they all think husband has right to hit wife. Jalal had to literally coax and threaten to hit sharif. Its better jalal had whipped him instead
I have observed this point in one of my posts here. I don't think they feel he has the right to hit his wife. But like I said ^^^, I think, they are conditioned to respect the son-in-law and cannot think of raising their hand on him.

I agree - Wish Jalal had whipped him before Bakshi came in.


Thanks for posting in detail on my request! My views in bold.

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