HE questioned 'HIS Shadow' BUT answer came from 'SOUL'.!.Updt-Pg28 - Page 7

Originally posted by: ayushimehra

Abhay again good post.

The Defining MOMENT was the scene where Jalal mourns at the corpse of the Noble Atgah...He weeps bitterly...Here, Jalal got HIS answer... Though, in his conscious state he May NOT know IT, But HIS Soul Got the Answer From Jodha's Soul...The Sanskrit "Shlok" which Jodha recited is as follows --

Na Jayate mriyate va kadachin Nayam Bhuthva bhavitha na bhoyah: |
Ajo Nithyah sasvato yam purano na hanyate hanyamane sarere ||

Abhay i noticed that, but then i thought, Some personalites, Never die, Atgha is one of them.

But you wrote, very Deeeply," Soul got the ans from jodha soul. "👏 👏 👏 👏

But, today episode again showed, Oneness, journey going to be start.,⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️ ⭐️,

Try to write, After sometime.

Originally posted by: history_geek

Nice Post Radhika...
I also wanted to write some points on Maham's Curse...More or less they are same..


1. TO me it was a rant of a lady who was grieving and saying what she ALWAYS wanted...Yesterday, she was speaking the truth...Her Heart Out...!!!

2. I mean to say, she was saying the truth in a sense...It was not a curse..."Jo baatein Zehen Mein Dafn thi Saalon se Kal Woh Intekaam ki Khwaish Sailaab ke saath Bahar Nikal Aayi ".

3. It was a sort of frustration...Which is normally shown by psychopaths...At one moment, they are in ANOTHER World, and the next moment they are found doing something ELSE...They themselves, do not know, what is the Method to Achieve their Objective..!!!!.. She wants the throne but does not wants to kill Jalal...She says she Loves Jalal and does not wants him to be in any "MUshKilaat" But she herself Killed her Kids...What is this.?.😕

I agree, Abhay. The real intentions of a person cannot be masked forever. Sooner or later, they are revealed. Mahamanga does not appear scary or even evil anymore. She has been reduced to an object of pity. When someone who was once very powerful is suddenly reduced to nothing, their own impotency bursts forth in a frustrating rant.

I was not impressed by her act. But what disturbed me was the amount of emotion expressed by the royal ladies for Mahamanga. Granted they do not know the full extent of her crimes. But surely they have seen how she maligned Jodha's character using her own brother and manipulated her separation from Jalal. And recently, they have seen how Mahamanga tried to dethrone Jalal and almost got him killed using a woman. Yet, they are grieving for her as if she were one of their own.

The same people who had questioned Jodha for showing sympathy to prisoners, be it Khyber or SD, are now showing sympathy to another jail bird. They are only shocked by her behavior when she curses Jalal's kids.

4. She always wanted to kill Jalal's Kids and she DID it several times, because she DID NOT want any heir to survive as she always wanted to secure it for his REAL son Adham...

5. There are times when Human Speaks truth when he/she loses everything...It was one such moment yesterday...

6. She is NO SAINT like Gandhari or Mira that she whatever she says comes out to be true..One needs some "Punya" to attain that power to Invoke the Divine Master and curse someone..I doubt, she has even an iota of that..😉

7. It was a ridiculous attempt by the CV's to raise the Emotional Quotient of the Viewers..😉

It may be the CVs way of trying to explain the deaths of the first few babies of Akbar. It may also be a ploy to beef up Maham's character so that she can still be around when Salim is born. 😉 Or it may have been used to show the resurgence of Jodha, the fiery woman, who is not swayed by negative emotions, but believes in achieving her goals through determined courage.⭐️

8. She asked why Adham was killed.?. But, DID SHE EVER asked What her SON kept on Doing for All these years.?. 😳 Did she Forget that it was jalal who had forgiven her son so many times...BTW, Even today, Jalal does not know who killed Pir Mohammed..!!!!!!..

Some secrets are carried to the grave and never revealed to anyone. Likewise Maham too will, probably, carry most of her crimes to the grave. 😉

9. Like you, I also do not give any weight to the "Theory of Curse" , for J-J have Divine Blessings with them, and Blessings of a Sufi (as you said, Salim Chisti Sahab) are BIGGER then any Curse...!!!..

They will also need to invoke the divinity within their own souls to receive the divine blessings and the blessings of the saint. 😊

Originally posted by: lasyap3

The title is Mashallah⭐️

Exquisitely written Abhay...😃

Splendid Job👏👏👏

Every frame in the episode was really beautiful,every scene having its own depth and meaning😳

I am just speechless. I am not finding any words to put forth my views here. I am just trying to convey in the manner possible below. Hope you like it--😊

Your post makes me remember one quote--

Spiritual relationship is far more precious than physical. Physical relationship divorced from spiritual is body without soul.

--Mahatma Gandhi

Indeed this is going to be, from now, THE REAL journey of Jodha and Jalal. Till now, it is just a small facet, and the latter would be the REAL PHASE. The same is the thing implies and implied by the Bhagavad Gita shloka recited by Jodha😊

Man learns through experience, and the spiritual path is full of different kinds of experiences. He will encounter many difficulties and obstacles, and they are the very experiences he needs to encourage and complete the cleansing process.

--Sai Baba

And it is in this difficulties that Jodha will become his STRENGTH...which is very much different from becoming SAHARA as of whom Jalal was talking about😉

Great men are they who see that spiritual is stronger than any material force - that thoughts rule the world.

That is the reason why we have seen Shehenshah Jalaluddin Muhammed Akbar (justfication of Akbar- the Great😉)ruling the Hindustan and becoming a LEGEND⭐️.

As human beings, our greatness lies not so much in being able to remake the world as in being able to remake ourselves.

--Mahatma Gandhi

The more he REMAKED himself,you know in what way I mean, then had he seen the most awaited desire of his getting fulfilled.😊

Jodha's dialogue---

"You have me! With or without the takht and taaj I am always yours till I die. I want you and not your power. Nothing will happen to us or our children. I love you for yourself. This Jodha will always be with her Shahenshah. You will never be alone as long as I live."(translation credit to Mansi)

These words delivered are most beautiful words of assurance and solace I have ever listened.This embarks upon their real SAATH in EVERYTHING, EVERYWHERE, no matter what.

Spirituality does two things for you. One, you are forced to become more selfless, two, you trust to providence.

I would like to stress upon the latter here because the former needs no emphasis as THESE TWO PURE LOVING SOULS have always been SELFLESS (leaving aside the reason of this marriage being a political alliance, anyway that is immaterial now). It is this trust that has given them that COURAGE to face anything TOGETHER in life, this is the same trust on God about which Jodha was talking about in her conversation with Maham Anga.

I just loved the way CVs have shown Jalal finding SOLACE near Jodha. I think it is IN THIS WAY they would find SOLACE in EACH OTHER after the death of twins.

P.S: I am also waiting for the unveiling of sequence. Let's see how beautifully the CVs would showcase them.Fingers Crossed**

Originally posted by: MPMANU

Unres

Hello Abhay. This is the first time I'm posting in your thread. I have read most of your post and your historical tread had influence me in many ways. You write so beautifully and in poetic manner.

It is true that Jodha's recitation is for the benafit of others. In Hinduism that is how dead is viewed. The process of dead is like moving out of one old house and continue journey to find new on to live. So the body can be dead and decay but the soul will move on. This true meaning and this realization is more important to people present there more than the departing one. So that the grieving one can let go the love on to rest in peace.

Now regarding JA, this what I wrote in Mansi's thread. For the few episode it become a emotional roller coaster for both Jalal and Jodha. Their personal life and public life has meet a turning point where from now on. The past is fading and future is rising. He lost one by one his closed one who he thought truly loves him. He also realized that the center for all this is his taakhat. But will get everything and many more because of him or his self not due to takhat. This detachment is much needed to be Akbar the great for his family and people. Till today many leaders who rules some how thinks that it belongs to them and sometimes the power blinds them which leads to destruction. Here I'm not telling that Jalal was not a good king but he is in his journey to become the great. This greatness cannot be achieve in one day but from years of experience. Life is the most excellent teacher. He was not selfishly attracted the taaj but there is some kind of feeling of mine. And he realized that it is making him loose everything and he does not want it but could not throw it either. So he burn the symbol of his power. Now on he will be make him not to believe people blindly, not to make ministers out for gratefulness of past or family relation but ministers based on merit. A can rule properly only when he has capable advisers around him. And for Jodha she is slowly getting ready to be the queen of Hindustan by going through the same crash course Jalal is going through.

Their personal life too had a turning point. They are already united but the soul level union made its completion. When he found that he was all alone she came to say i'm here. This one gain supersedes all his loses including Agta sahab coz now he can let got of him, realizing that AK will be always be there for him as guardian angle showering blessing. He will get his mother who is willing to stay apart from him for his safe future, loving him truly. So to fully let got Maham he have to let go the feeling of in dept and guilt. The curse will serve this purpose. It will pain him alot and will pain her more when the babies dies. But that is their last assessment which they have to go through. But they will also be blessed with many kids later. He will get a family though Jodha, her family, which he always dreamed off. Brother in laws who are willing to give their life for him. Most importantly he had, has and will always have her, his heart and now his soul.

Apart from Akdha scene, there was another matter which connect to it. Maham's curse. Well for me I never liked her even when she fainted other day, she for once held my attention, thats it. Now she is annoying as ever and i'm going to take lightly. Well many are saying how can she do that. She herself had killed Jalals unborn babies. I'm not surprised cos I was anticipating it to come. May be it did not happen in history but happening in serial is normal for me. Maham always says that she loves Jalal and we thought she fooling people around her and us.We even asked what kind of love is this. But the truth is she also been fooling herself all this while. Jalal killing Adham is like alarm clock waking her from her false jalal love slumber. That is why she cursed JJ's babies. Moreover, a criminal is a criminal after all. Here I want to tell a small story. I did attachment in court and I witnessed an cross examination of two minors(illegal maids from thailand). They were telling that they are tourist and blah blah and I accept it as truth thinking one cannot lie in court. Later the investigating officer told me a very different story(they jump over the border wall to enter illegally). I later talked to a judge regarding this and he answered that a criminal is a criminal, it is our mistake if we anticipate them to act good(not to lie). So Maham being even more evil is noting new but perfectly inline with how true criminal will react. That is why even while mourning her sons death she can only think of taking revenge. The way their mind works is very different and it is hard to understand. About Maham not seeing that she has already killed many life before. Well she has not changed at all. She can only accept her crimes only when he realize what she had done. And I dont know when this will happen. I predict that she will come up with even more evil plan and might make Ruks her co-conspirator. Well Maham is not leaving us any time soon😕.

Now Jodha. I loved her alot yesterday. She was very strong. She will be definitely hurt by Maham's curse but she did not believe it and that can be seen in her confrontation scene with Maham. And why is she not taking it seriously because she the one person who knows and seen the true face of Maham. Maham never masked and hide in front of Jodha. She has trust in god. Then why does the children died making Maham wish true. Well it is not necessary that the curse is the reason. There are many real reasons like Jodha having suffered physically, mentally and emotionally before and will in future too. But then again she will be broken and believe that the curse is the cause when the kids dies. It's very natural to think that way. But why us viewers should think that way. We know it is miracle that her children are alive still after all the torture and the curse is just a sign of future.

P.S I'm glad that some one remembered that Jodha is pregnant. At least now the Agra people should treat her like one. Take care of her, make her happy and pamper her. I'm so long to see it.

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Lasya 🤗

Beautiful post...When the TM is so inspirational, then all the posts that follow are automatically highly charged too. 👏

Originally posted by: nabiii

Its a nice English meaning of this sanskrit sholk. 1st time i have heard this kind of sholk anywhere( jodha's mouth n 1st time i have gotten to know the meaning of IT frm ur English translation.
Indeed very beautiful post asusual,abhay.
Today's episode was terrifically beautiful. At the real time Jodha has become the biggest strength for Jalal. When ever nobody had gut to handle Jalal, Jodha came before Jalal as cool water to put off his inner fire, his inner agony n we watched how much peacefully Jalal went to sleep in Jodha's arms when she was consoling him to pour her whole love on Jalal. Director n both leads deserve esteem for giving us such spectacular meaningful lovely scene b/w husband-wife. I applaud to Jodha for standing strongly before maham against her baad dua.