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Posted: 11 years ago
#51

Originally posted by: history_geek


Tamy , since you asked that why i feel, Man Singh is a MAJOR Player here...Then here is my point..---

It was Man Singh ONLY(historically) apart from Jalal, who had the complete KNOW-HOW of all the TUNNELS in the ---

1. Agra Fort
2. Fort at Attock
3. Lahore Fort {His father was the Subedar there..}
4. BTW, this is NOT 100% confirmed, but there was a TUNNEL, from BENEATH the Akbari Mahal in Agra Fort to Amer...


PS -- I am not connecting this Historical TUNNEL info and Man Singh with Present Track. ;p

PPS -- Man Singh was NOT feeling EASY, while talking to his Bua-Saa , hence I deduced HIS involvement with Jalal.. He was Sent.?. Lets see this.

Can we connect Chand Begum's escape with Man Singh, through this TUNNEL info.??. ROFL..
He was also given the keep up of Jails Maintainence, in the show..
Let's see this as well.. :)



u can be right Abhay..may be CB is rescued by Maan Singh given Jalal ordered her to renovate the prison!! and yes he was uncomfortable during his convo with Jodha.
@red I am going mad🤪☺️
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Posted: 11 years ago
#52

Originally posted by: SindhuMenon



@bold: agree with you..Honestly out of all these tracks so far, I would put this Atifa Track and Khyb track as one of my least favorites...The only consolation I have is now Maham will be exposed.



OMG Sindhu..!!!!!..

MA's expose has been botched up with this Delhi Noble Wife's Divorce Case..

Though, a power packed packed one.!!.

Still Explanations needed.!!!. Maybe they will be continued tomorrow... :)


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Wonderful post Abhay! 😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Abhay,
For the main post on pg 1:

🤗
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Finally this track is over. Seems to have been wrapped up in a hurry but still not a day too soon! 😊
It was emotionally draining and I never felt so exhausted on watching any show or any track in JA as this one. I lived thru the Ben track and the separation track, but the third time round, I just could not take it. It's over, God have Mercy on us, and I'm feeling relieved today.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I'm sorry for going back to Wednesday's episode and please, those of you who are not interested, just skip my comments.
I have to begin from Wednesday because I promised Abhay I would post on Wednesday episode.

First and foremost, Jodha did not know the "plan". Amply clear today.

In yesterday's episode, when Jalal announced the Talaq decision, Jodha was collected. She was not crying, or pleading, or angry, or shocked. But she was also not "calm". There is a difference between being calm and stoic. The difference lay in her eyes. It was present till she saw Jalal today taking off his disguise.

Jodha has been hurt so much in the past few days that she has crossed the threshold of palpable pain. We all have a threshold of pain beyond which we do not feel anything. We become detached, as if whatever is happening is happening to someone else. This is what happened with Jodha, what Abhay called "numb".

Jalal's announcement of marriage with Atifa was the tipping point. Till this point, she felt Jalal was just infatuated with Atifa and would return to her (Jodha) some day. She mentioned to Man Singh that Jalal was bhramit and so needed to be taken care of.

But when she learnt that Jalal was going ahead with marriage, she felt that he was serious about Atifa, which meant that he was serious about everything he had said to Jodha. This broke her like nothing else could.

Jodha always takes really harsh words from Jalal stoically. Whether it was Jalal telling her that he would not see her face even if she was dying or Jalal accusing her of zinakari and asking her to leave him. She never winced. She bore everything with her chin up - the true indication of warrior blood. This time too, she has borne all his harshness and withdrawn into herself rather than fight with him.

(Jalal always seems to talk of death and / or separation when he swings to an extreme with Jodha. It is as if he wants to get away from her as much as he can, in his anger. )




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Posted: 11 years ago
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Abhay, you asked if her belief could remain in tact when even Jalal felt he had gone too far.
Yes, her belief can and will remain in tact. Because belief in Jalal has nothing to do with external circumstances. Belief is not something we choose or can decide on the basis of logic or arguments. Either you believe someone or you don't. Such belief is part of the soul itself and cannot be shredded by anyone or anything.

Jalal has done the unthinkable with her and for no apparent reason. He was even ready to divorce her at the end of Wednesday's episode. She was hurt to the point of not being able to feel hurt any more. Still, such hurt cannot kill love or faith. Jodha's relationship with Jalal was founded on faith. And that faith will remain, no matter what he does, because she knows deep within her that she and Jalal are meant to be, that life may temporarily separate them, but will not be able to render them apart permanently.

If you see any classic love story, or even ordinary married couples, faith leads and people turn deaf, dumb, blind, unaware of everything except the person they love and their belief that after the storm has passed, they will still be together.

JJ weathered full many a storm in their lifetime and only thus, became enshrined as epic lovers in history.

You could see this faith shining bright and pure in Jodha's eyes today when she realized that Jalal was alive and still very much in love with her. It was a vindication of her love and faith that withstood where even the love and faith of Ruqaiyya, Salima and Hamida rocked.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Abhay, you asked if her belief could remain in tact when even Jalal felt he had gone too far.

Yes, her belief can and will remain in tact. Because belief in Jalal has nothing to do with external circumstances. Belief is not something we choose or can decide on the basis of logic or arguments. Either you believe someone or you don't. Such belief is part of the soul itself and cannot be shredded by anyone or anything.

Jalal has done the unthinkable with her and for no apparent reason. He was even ready to divorce her at the end of Wednesday's episode. She was hurt to the point of not being able to feel hurt any more. Still, such hurt cannot kill love or faith. Jodha's relationship with Jalal was founded on faith. And that faith will remain, no matter what he does, because she knows deep within her that she and Jalal are meant to be, that life may temporarily separate them, but will not be able to render them apart permanently.

If you see any classic love story, or even ordinary married couples, faith leads and people turn deaf, dumb, blind, unaware of everything except the person they love and their belief that after the storm has passed, they will still be together.

JJ weathered full many a storm in their lifetime and only thus, became enshrined as epic lovers in history.

You could see this faith shining bright and pure in Jodha's eyes today when she realized that Jalal was alive and still very much in love with her. It was a vindication of her love and faith that withstood where even the love and faith of Ruqaiyya, Salima and Hamida rocked.




Radhika I want to add something here. Rambling thoughts which came to mind reading your post.

Trust can be complete but not blind. Same with belief. Does trust means you do not see the faults of the person? Or is it that you see them but even knowing them love the person and know you accept all his faults.

Now Jodha KNOWS that Jalal loves her, even in Khyber track when he had lashed at her, she knew he will come to find her. When she was sinking in river she called out his name.

Jodha knows the extreme reactions of Jalal with her. More than anyone else it is Jodha who has seen that he can lash at her that - if I remember what she said to SB - that when he loves her so much he puts her on a pedestal that she can't stand it and when he hates her or lashes at her in anger she can't even breathe. In all this there is one thing Jodha knows is that Jalal can never be indifferent to her. She AFFECTS him deeply. He loves her but is love constant same always??

Jalal even when he lashed at her and told her he now loves Atifa, never said that he has stopped loving her, he said he regretted loving her. So I don't think Jodha even in her devastated state did not feel some hope somewhere that like all previous instances when Jalal comes back to his senses he will come looking for her.

His behavior was an enigma and she said to Maan Singh that he is bhramit.

Now if she believed that Jalal can fall for Atifa, feel attracted, might feel he loves her, when he announced nikah with Atifa Jodha might have felt Jalal has deep feelings for Atifa - all this she can feel - but still her love did not change, nor her trust about their link.

It is in polygamy set up maybe it used to happen, she could have seen happen to others, that someone caught fancy and it was for few weeks and then the woman was forgotten.

They have been through too much and Jalal has in his extremes also done a lot for her. He asked her to leave and then searched high and low for her when he realized his mistake. So if anybody knows how much extremes Jalal can go to - it is Jodha. Khyber kidnapping he was rightfully angry and forget whose fault but he never doubted her. So by now Jalal knows Jodha and she knows him.

She never stopped trusting him - she could have felt he has really fallen for Atifa but it could be short term. That does not change her feelings, her love or her trust on the kind of person he is.

Even Jodha has started having extreme reactions with Jalal! When she felt he loves another she has lost him she in weak moment tried to commit suicide, when he announced Nikah she said she thought of her babies that is why she has to be strong.

So now both are getting a bit extreme in their reactions! However, they also trust each other a lot more!

Sorry for just rambling!


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Was Jalal right in testing Jodha thus?
Perhaps tomorrow we may know why Jalal did not take Jodha into confidence and more importantly, why he humiliated her so much instead of just remaining quiet.

Today's episode seems to indicate that the whole palace was controlled by Maham. And therefore Jalal could not take anyone into confidence. It was a piquant situation for Jalal. If this drama had to be shown, how I wish Jalal (and Jodha) had been spared those unutterable dialogs! He could easily use Khyber as an excuse to apparently mistrust her and thus withdraw from her and into the arms of Atifa.

(If his guilt pangs could not be shown for fear of blowing away his cover, at least he could have been spared the "Why am I falling for Atifa" self-talk. )

Was Jalal so sure of Jodha's mental strength and faith in him that he could unleash the furies on her and expect her not to get blown away?

I am trying to think differently here. It is pretty easy for a guy pretending to be angry with someone and feeling guilty and miserable about it inside, to become hyper and react like a coiled spring being let loose.

Because he didn't know how to pretend with Jodha, without her catching him, he went overboard and swung to the other extreme. Once we start off on an emotional roller coaster, even though we know something is wrong, we are unable to stop ourselves on our own.

I am not justifying Jalal. Just trying to understand why he behaved like that with Jodha, when he loves her so much. (The very latest proof being his complete acceptance of her after the Khyber kidnap.. ) What he said to her or shouted to his children cannot be condoned.

But if we see:

Jalal got caught in the whirlwind of his own drama and only managed to come out of it when he realized that he had gone so far that the very life he wanted to protect could go away from him. His use of talaq must have been as much a shock to him as it was to others, when he though about it later.

Perhaps this may be a lesson to Jalal that he cannot do everything oh his own.



BTW, The last scene in Wednesday's episode where Jalal feels that the drama has gone too far and wants to end it asap - how I wish the scene could have been lingered on in today's episode instead of Atifa butting in, like a KMH. How beautiful it would have sounded if Jalal had expressed dismay at hurting his beloved wife so much and distress at the thought of having pushed her to the point where she wants to go away from him.

I come back to the scene yesterday in which Jalal announced his intention to divorce Jodha. The stoic look she gave him from the depths of her soul, asking his soul if it could ever really let go of her soul, was a soul-connecting moment for them. It was this soul-talk that finally pierced the wall Jalal had built around himself these past few days. It was this soul talk that drew him in a trance to Jodha's hojra, after a really long time. He stood staring at her, unable to go to her or away from her.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: MaddyO




Radhika I want to add something here. Rambling thoughts which came to mind reading your post.

Trust can be complete but not blind. Same with belief. Does trust means you do not see the faults of the person? Or is it that you see them but even knowing them love the person and know you accept all his faults.

Now Jodha KNOWS that Jalal loves her, even in Khyber track when he had lashed at her, she knew he will come to find her. When she was sinking in river she called out his name.

Jodha knows the extreme reactions of Jalal with her. More than anyone else it is Jodha who has seen that he can lash at her that - if I remember what she said to SB - that when he loves her so much he puts her on a pedestal that she can't stand it and when he hates her or lashes at her in anger she can't even breathe. In all this there is one thing Jodha knows is that Jalal can never be indifferent to her. She AFFECTS him deeply. He loves her but is love constant same always??

Jalal even when he lashed at her and told her he now loves Atifa, never said that he has stopped loving her, he said he regretted loving her. So I don't think Jodha even in her devastated state did not feel some hope somewhere that like all previous instances when Jalal comes back to his senses he will come looking for her.

His behavior was an enigma and she said to Maan Singh that he is bhramit.

Now if she believed that Jalal can fall for Atifa, feel attracted, might feel he loves her, when he announced nikah with Atifa Jodha might have felt Jalal has deep feelings for Atifa - all this she can feel - but still her love did not change, nor her trust about their link.

It is in polygamy set up maybe it used to happen, she could have seen happen to others, that someone caught fancy and it was for few weeks and then the woman was forgotten.

They have been through too much and Jalal has in his extremes also done a lot for her. He asked her to leave and then searched high and low for her when he realized his mistake. So if anybody knows how much extremes Jalal can go to - it is Jodha. Khyber kidnapping he was rightfully angry and forget whose fault but he never doubted her. So by now Jalal knows Jodha and she knows him.

She never stopped trusting him - she could have felt he has really fallen for Atifa but it could be short term. That does not change her feelings, her love or her trust on the kind of person he is.

Even Jodha has started having extreme reactions with Jalal! When she felt he loves another she has lost him she in weak moment tried to commit suicide, when he announced Nikah she said she thought of her babies that is why she has to be strong.

So now both are getting a bit extreme in their reactions! However, they also trust each other a lot more!

Sorry for just rambling!


Well said Maddy.
I think he loves her extremely ,that he doesn't have any control over his emotions whenever it is related to her.See today too ,he was angry with that Amanullah khan for hurting Jo and what he did of him.He trusts her a lot and she does too.
I wasn't therefore surprised to see the Precap where she was with him .Because love makes you forget and forgive.

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