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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: ayushimehra


Abhay, Happy to Read this post, So your Qualities are spreading,👏 👏, If we have qualties, No-body can stop us, Maybee way will be different,so Many sielant readers are also Your Thread.

You have starting to achieve the Goal, 😆 😆 & your team also deserves, many credit.

Abhay when you reached TOP, remember IF,😆 😆,

All members wish THREADS should be RE-OPENED.

These days i am feeling, we are sitting near, WELL, but THIRSTY.

So request, to MODS, Please, we want to READ HISTORY THREADS, so ALLOW THEM.


Ayushi,

Abhay's name, as an exponent on Mughal, notably JA, history, has traveled far and wide and people are discovering him through FB, Twitter, Google and through word of mouth. Many people are joining IF purely to read his threads only.

Ghar ki murgi daal barabar...This is the tragedy here. When those outside IF recognize his knowledge and research skills, why do some IF members and mods fail to do so? When people are specially joining IF to read him, why is IF closing his threads? There is a very real and present danger that people will follow Abhay to whichever new place he chooses to write at. Is it fine for IF to lose a sizeable chunk of members to a rival forum / blog, and gain infamy as the place that discourages airing of multiple and diverse opinions?

@underlined: Yeah, we are so close to and yet so far from drinking from the fount of knowledge!

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek

@All

Sharing a PM here, read just now, sent by a member 2 days back , who does NOT wants to post this herself on the Forum disclosing her ID(?), but wants me to post it.

I am posting a ''part'' of the PM.
She has asked the same questions raised by many of us. Though her PM was 'touching' and perhaps an ''answer'' also. 😊


''
Hey bruh...'tis a devoted follower of your threads...read every comment posted by u on 'dis forum...appreciate the respect ur threads give to Sufis and saints and hold every creed in high honors...ur outlook at deducing the things in most logical manner with proof is unparalleled...i like tis, being from a scientific field, i appreciate proofs...Me too stay in Delhi...Meself a scholar at Faculty of Eng. And Tech., Jamia Milia Islamia University, Delhi...Belong to a very conservative family of sunnis in faizabad district, uttar pradesh...first girl to get higher education from my clan in the village...mughals fascinate me due to a special bond we have with them...we are the descendants of the weavers who made the finishings for the royal suits of mughal emperors and empresses...the last suit was sent 3 generations ago...now many of our area have migrated to bhadohi carpet zone, after akhilesh yadav govt. new schemes for skilled weavers...coming to point...the complete belt of our area know about akbar and his hindu rani for generations...i wanted to know more about them...there were no libraries in faizabad...no big bookstores...the clerics in our area call akbar a kaafir...blaming his hindu rani for turning him a infidel...they dislike akbar and his hindu rani in our area...came the movie jodha akbar and i became more involved in the quest to discover them...searched wikipedia and many websites...but tis made me hate akbar...raw and obsolete text was written about him...i stopped searching as i never got any source to read on them...atlast came to know abt you from my friends in St. Stephen's College who started watching the show for rajat and paridhi since august and found your posts on this forum...they all follow your posts like any other brand in Delhi Univ.- ask'd me to google 'history_geek jodha akbar' to get to you. With underscore character in ur id... i discovered reality of real akbar...thanks to you...i read the persian munthakhab by badaouni given in ur thread...i wanted to verify the marrying once statement of akbar and ruqayya which you said is wrong..not that i suspect you but wanted to read from my own eyes...took me 4 months to read the said book...understood what efforts it takes to search the truth...tis was more tough than drafting a research paper for Nature ! I have procured gulshan i ibrahimi from the source in your thread and reading it now..if you visit zakir hussain library again then inform me..like to meet you..along with me my cousins back in Faizabad follow you every weekend from the nearby cyber cafe...we don't have a computer at home...thank you for providing these valuable and priceless gems from the annals of our past...my heart bleeds to see such dazzling work being targeted by some people out of jeolosy and the moderation team acting on complains against you.. Any person can sense the truth of tis work . It is pretty easy for me to make out why you were targeted. I have a first hand experience in my hometown because i've seen some elements speaking against akbar. You stood against those beliefs about akbar and fell prey. all of us are suffering due to prejudice of some . it is a mirage that indiaforums boasts of calling itself number 1 discussion forum and acts in such an ostracizing manner against a member. After tis serial, the forum will shut down but your efforts will be remembered forever. It is clear because tis forum stands by you in unison. jodha akbar in heaven must be smiling this day...someone stood for them, after 400 years despite all odds...unka aks tumhari posts mein dikhta hai...shukriya hamein sach se mukhatib karane ke liye...kehte hain aaftab ka noor chupaye nahi chipta ... Waise hi jodha akbar ki dastaan nahi mit sakti...chahe koi kitni bhi koshish karle...hum dua karenge..
Eid Mubarak...

Iqra khan


''


@Abhay:

Thank you for sharing this wonderful PM! It's wonderful not just because it is well-written or gets everything correct. What reaches out to me in this PM is the insatiable urge of many people to discover their roots, discover the hidden / missing link to their past.

It is clear as daylight how much this member searched to know the reality of the story of Akbar and how she failed to make headway, till she was introduced to Abhay's threads.

Her story is similar to many other stories that we are discovering every day from countless, silent readers. It is bewildering how the present stalemate is forcing these people to break their silence and come forward to speak up in favor of restoring their much-wanted history threads.

@Iqra:

What a straight-from-the-heart message! Thank you for supporting a just cause. 😊 What I'd like to say to you is that you seem to be young, educated, with a keen desire to know more about your past -- then why should you be unwilling to stand up and support the cause you believe in?

@ bold : True, but this is only one side of the coin. 😊 The threads have been targeted for not only questioning beliefs about Akbar, but also about Jodha / MUZ.

MUZ is a tragic figure in history - caught in a no-man's land between two communities. Her life story has been almost completely obliterated. And even now, there are people who do not wish her life story to emerge from the shadows of history. Abhay's passion for the love story of Akbar and Jodha led him to discover hitherto unknown facts about her and her relationship with Akbar.

This is unpalatable to many, who prefer conventional history, and feel no sense of pride that in spite of being an outsider, she could rise to the highest level of power accorded to a woman and a queen at that time.

Unfortunately, we cannot choose our past. Then why should we try to ignore it and prefer to live in an illusory world?

Hope you had a wonderful time with your family for Eid! 😊 Next time, we would love to hear from you straight..


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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: al_pal

I agree with u that is why I joined this forum yesterday only . Been silent for long time but if I want to teach my son to stand up in his believes and make a difference than I have to start doing that otherwise it will be like I want freedom but no responsibility . I have to show him by my actions not just words. We will raise our voices as one and we will be heard . His threads are most civil ones and if we can't express our views or opinion than in which world we are living rather which era. Essences of whole Akbar persona was to stand up for what U believe never let anyone to suppress u.


Hi Al_Pal

I wish I could say welcome to IF, but right now is not the time I would be happy to welcome anyone here. How can one wish for anyone to have a good time here when that person will be gagged and bound by archaic rules?

I am really happy to know that you have joined IF especially to support and speak up for Abhay.
And being a mother of a young child myself, I really appreciate your desire to teach your son thru precept and not just thru preaching.😊

I sincerely hope more silent readers, those who really appreciate history threads and really want them back, speak up NOW, because all this while, their silence has been taken as consent to block history threads.

Speak up now or forever hold your peace. 😊

@bold: True, Akbar never bowed to anyone and stood up to the strongest opposition for the sake of his beliefs.

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek

@All

Sharing a PM here, read just now, sent by a member 2 days back , who does NOT wants to post this herself on the Forum disclosing her ID(?), but wants me to post it.

I am posting a ''part'' of the PM.
She has asked the same questions raised by many of us. Though her PM was 'touching' and perhaps an ''answer'' also. 😊


''
Hey bruh...'tis a devoted follower of your threads...read every comment posted by u on 'dis forum...appreciate the respect ur threads give to Sufis and saints and hold every creed in high honors...ur outlook at deducing the things in most logical manner with proof is unparalleled...i like tis, being from a scientific field, i appreciate proofs...Me too stay in Delhi...Meself a scholar at Faculty of Eng. And Tech., Jamia Milia Islamia University, Delhi...Belong to a very conservative family of sunnis in faizabad district, uttar pradesh...first girl to get higher education from my clan in the village...mughals fascinate me due to a special bond we have with them...we are the descendants of the weavers who made the finishings for the royal suits of mughal emperors and empresses...the last suit was sent 3 generations ago...now many of our area have migrated to bhadohi carpet zone, after akhilesh yadav govt. new schemes for skilled weavers...coming to point...the complete belt of our area know about akbar and his hindu rani for generations...i wanted to know more about them...there were no libraries in faizabad...no big bookstores...the clerics in our area call akbar a kaafir...blaming his hindu rani for turning him a infidel...they dislike akbar and his hindu rani in our area...came the movie jodha akbar and i became more involved in the quest to discover them...searched wikipedia and many websites...but tis made me hate akbar...raw and obsolete text was written about him...i stopped searching as i never got any source to read on them...atlast came to know abt you from my friends in St. Stephen's College who started watching the show for rajat and paridhi since august and found your posts on this forum...they all follow your posts like any other brand in Delhi Univ.- ask'd me to google 'history_geek jodha akbar' to get to you. With underscore character in ur id... i discovered reality of real akbar...thanks to you...i read the persian munthakhab by badaouni given in ur thread...i wanted to verify the marrying once statement of akbar and ruqayya which you said is wrong..not that i suspect you but wanted to read from my own eyes...took me 4 months to read the said book...understood what efforts it takes to search the truth...tis was more tough than drafting a research paper for Nature ! I have procured gulshan i ibrahimi from the source in your thread and reading it now..if you visit zakir hussain library again then inform me..like to meet you..along with me my cousins back in Faizabad follow you every weekend from the nearby cyber cafe...we don't have a computer at home...thank you for providing these valuable and priceless gems from the annals of our past...my heart bleeds to see such dazzling work being targeted by some people out of jeolosy and the moderation team acting on complains against you.. Any person can sense the truth of tis work . It is pretty easy for me to make out why you were targeted. I have a first hand experience in my hometown because i've seen some elements speaking against akbar. You stood against those beliefs about akbar and fell prey. all of us are suffering due to prejudice of some . it is a mirage that indiaforums boasts of calling itself number 1 discussion forum and acts in such an ostracizing manner against a member. After tis serial, the forum will shut down but your efforts will be remembered forever. It is clear because tis forum stands by you in unison. jodha akbar in heaven must be smiling this day...someone stood for them, after 400 years despite all odds...unka aks tumhari posts mein dikhta hai...shukriya hamein sach se mukhatib karane ke liye...kehte hain aaftab ka noor chupaye nahi chipta ... Waise hi jodha akbar ki dastaan nahi mit sakti...chahe koi kitni bhi koshish karle...hum dua karenge..
Eid Mubarak...

Iqra khan
''


Abhay, thanks for sharing this message.
@ Iqra, beautifully expressed thoughts. You are right. All of us are suffering due to prejudice of some. They choose to read and believe only their version of history...unfortunately, this time they made an attempt to choose for everyone else on this forum. But they failed to make us blindly believe their version by making Abhay's posts disappear somehow. . We are all educated , intellegent and independent thinkers who form opinions only after reading everything available to us. And we will wait to read Abhay's threads( hopefully on IF) as well as theirs before deciding what we want to believe. So far...none of us dislikes MUZ or the real Akbar as a result of this well thought out and delibrate action.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0



Hi Al_Pal

I wish I could say welcome to IF, but right now is not the time I would be happy to welcome anyone here. How can one wish for anyone to have a good time here when that person will be gagged and bound by archaic rules?

I am really happy to know that you have joined IF especially to support and speak up for Abhay.
And being a mother of a young child myself, I really appreciate your desire to teach your son thru precept and not just thru preaching.😊

I sincerely hope more silent readers, those who really appreciate history threads and really want them back, speak up NOW, because all this while, their silence has been taken as consent to block history threads.

<font color="#0000ff">Speak up now or forever hold your peace.😊</font>

@bold: True, Akbar never bowed to anyone and stood up to the strongest opposition for the sake of his beliefs.

Thank u Radhika , I am happy that I joined the forum now for the sake of good time I had while reading abhay's post. Hoping to make few great friends who think alike . I hope MODs understand our point of view also . Knowledge should be like open ocean whoever wants to deep in it , let them soak in it , those who don't want to get wet can stand by on side, but it should not be contained , let it be open don't put any boundaries around it.
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: history_geek

@All

Sharing a PM here, read just now, sent by a member 2 days back , who does NOT wants to post this herself on the Forum disclosing her ID(?), but wants me to post it.

I am posting a ''part'' of the PM.
She has asked the same questions raised by many of us. Though her PM was 'touching' and perhaps an ''answer'' also. 😊


''
Hey bruh...'tis a devoted follower of your threads...read every comment posted by u on 'dis forum...appreciate the respect ur threads give to Sufis and saints and hold every creed in high honors...ur outlook at deducing the things in most logical manner with proof is unparalleled...i like tis, being from a scientific field, i appreciate proofs...Me too stay in Delhi...Meself a scholar at Faculty of Eng. And Tech., Jamia Milia Islamia University, Delhi...Belong to a very conservative family of sunnis in faizabad district, uttar pradesh...first girl to get higher education from my clan in the village...mughals fascinate me due to a special bond we have with them...we are the descendants of the weavers who made the finishings for the royal suits of mughal emperors and empresses...the last suit was sent 3 generations ago...now many of our area have migrated to bhadohi carpet zone, after akhilesh yadav govt. new schemes for skilled weavers...coming to point...the complete belt of our area know about akbar and his hindu rani for generations...i wanted to know more about them...there were no libraries in faizabad...no big bookstores...the clerics in our area call akbar a kaafir...blaming his hindu rani for turning him a infidel...they dislike akbar and his hindu rani in our area...came the movie jodha akbar and i became more involved in the quest to discover them...searched wikipedia and many websites...but tis made me hate akbar...raw and obsolete text was written about him...i stopped searching as i never got any source to read on them...atlast came to know abt you from my friends in St. Stephen's College who started watching the show for rajat and paridhi since august and found your posts on this forum...they all follow your posts like any other brand in Delhi Univ.- ask'd me to google 'history_geek jodha akbar' to get to you. With underscore character in ur id... i discovered reality of real akbar...thanks to you...i read the persian munthakhab by badaouni given in ur thread...i wanted to verify the marrying once statement of akbar and ruqayya which you said is wrong..not that i suspect you but wanted to read from my own eyes...took me 4 months to read the said book...understood what efforts it takes to search the truth...tis was more tough than drafting a research paper for Nature ! I have procured gulshan i ibrahimi from the source in your thread and reading it now..if you visit zakir hussain library again then inform me..like to meet you..along with me my cousins back in Faizabad follow you every weekend from the nearby cyber cafe...we don't have a computer at home...thank you for providing these valuable and priceless gems from the annals of our past...my heart bleeds to see such dazzling work being targeted by some people out of jeolosy and the moderation team acting on complains against you.. Any person can sense the truth of tis work . It is pretty easy for me to make out why you were targeted. I have a first hand experience in my hometown because i've seen some elements speaking against akbar. You stood against those beliefs about akbar and fell prey. all of us are suffering due to prejudice of some . it is a mirage that indiaforums boasts of calling itself number 1 discussion forum and acts in such an ostracizing manner against a member. After tis serial, the forum will shut down but your efforts will be remembered forever. It is clear because tis forum stands by you in unison. jodha akbar in heaven must be smiling this day...someone stood for them, after 400 years despite all odds...unka aks tumhari posts mein dikhta hai...shukriya hamein sach se mukhatib karane ke liye...kehte hain aaftab ka noor chupaye nahi chipta ... Waise hi jodha akbar ki dastaan nahi mit sakti...chahe koi kitni bhi koshish karle...hum dua karenge..
Eid Mubarak...

Iqra khan
''


Thanks for sharing this Abhay. Beautiful post. So you have become a brand, huh? That too getting validation from Stephens? 😉 You and Kamal totally deserve it. I am from DU and getting recommended by Stephens is one of the highest kind of praises. It is sad that admin here isn't able to gauge the importance and popularity of what you have accomplished. Also this shows for IF it's members are dispensable. So many members have liked this post and your threads still no positive reaction. People leaving and being distressed here is of no concern to them. As long as IF runs efficiently, no worries. Members are only a very small part of IF at large, according to them.

@Iqra
If you are reading this, your PM was amazing. And your parting note is beautiful 😳
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0


I agree with you both.

In spite of being the most civil and respected threads on the forum and never having received a DT note, Abhay's threads were closed to appease some members.

There was no reason to close them. Hence, when anyone questions why his threads were closed, no specific reason is forthcoming.

This is an example of a witch hunt, which we will probably never witness again on any forum. Abhay was targeted and hounded out simply because he dared to stand up and question conventional views.

Threads, which continue to recycle the same old, same old in new bottles, are considered safe and allowed, with a few DT notes thrown in to satisfy everyone that justice is alive.

Moral: Do not question anyone. Follow the beaten path.


Exactly!! They keep saying stuff like:' Real Akbar was never a diehard romantic' etc etc.

And now, they might even be reporting this very thread because we are talking against them! They simply hate Jodha and do not want the truth out..and hence must have repeatedly reported his threads. This is gross injustice. I can still see all those people roaming about freely in the forum posting their nonsense. Pathetic ,perverted people.
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Posted: 11 years ago


@ Abhay, thank u for sharing this beautiful message

@Iqra: Thank you so much for showing your support by voicing out how you feel. You message is so beautiful and heartfelt. Let's hope Abhay's threads are re-opened and allow new ones, too.


Originally posted by: history_geek

@All

Sharing a PM here, read just now, sent by a member 2 days back , who does NOT wants to post this herself on the Forum disclosing her ID(?), but wants me to post it.

I am posting a ''part'' of the PM.
She has asked the same questions raised by many of us. Though her PM was 'touching' and perhaps an ''answer'' also. 😊


''
Hey bruh...'tis a devoted follower of your threads...read every comment posted by u on 'dis forum...appreciate the respect ur threads give to Sufis and saints and hold every creed in high honors...ur outlook at deducing the things in most logical manner with proof is unparalleled...i like tis, being from a scientific field, i appreciate proofs...Me too stay in Delhi...Meself a scholar at Faculty of Eng. And Tech., Jamia Milia Islamia University, Delhi...Belong to a very conservative family of sunnis in faizabad district, uttar pradesh...first girl to get higher education from my clan in the village...mughals fascinate me due to a special bond we have with them...we are the descendants of the weavers who made the finishings for the royal suits of mughal emperors and empresses...the last suit was sent 3 generations ago...now many of our area have migrated to bhadohi carpet zone, after akhilesh yadav govt. new schemes for skilled weavers...coming to point...the complete belt of our area know about akbar and his hindu rani for generations...i wanted to know more about them...there were no libraries in faizabad...no big bookstores...the clerics in our area call akbar a kaafir...blaming his hindu rani for turning him a infidel...they dislike akbar and his hindu rani in our area...came the movie jodha akbar and i became more involved in the quest to discover them...searched wikipedia and many websites...but tis made me hate akbar...raw and obsolete text was written about him...i stopped searching as i never got any source to read on them...atlast came to know abt you from my friends in St. Stephen's College who started watching the show for rajat and paridhi since august and found your posts on this forum...they all follow your posts like any other brand in Delhi Univ.- ask'd me to google 'history_geek jodha akbar' to get to you. With underscore character in ur id... i discovered reality of real akbar...thanks to you...i read the persian munthakhab by badaouni given in ur thread...i wanted to verify the marrying once statement of akbar and ruqayya which you said is wrong..not that i suspect you but wanted to read from my own eyes...took me 4 months to read the said book...understood what efforts it takes to search the truth...tis was more tough than drafting a research paper for Nature ! I have procured gulshan i ibrahimi from the source in your thread and reading it now..if you visit zakir hussain library again then inform me..like to meet you..along with me my cousins back in Faizabad follow you every weekend from the nearby cyber cafe...we don't have a computer at home...thank you for providing these valuable and priceless gems from the annals of our past...my heart bleeds to see such dazzling work being targeted by some people out of jeolosy and the moderation team acting on complains against you.. Any person can sense the truth of tis work . It is pretty easy for me to make out why you were targeted. I have a first hand experience in my hometown because i've seen some elements speaking against akbar. You stood against those beliefs about akbar and fell prey. all of us are suffering due to prejudice of some . it is a mirage that indiaforums boasts of calling itself number 1 discussion forum and acts in such an ostracizing manner against a member. After tis serial, the forum will shut down but your efforts will be remembered forever. It is clear because tis forum stands by you in unison. jodha akbar in heaven must be smiling this day...someone stood for them, after 400 years despite all odds...unka aks tumhari posts mein dikhta hai...shukriya hamein sach se mukhatib karane ke liye...kehte hain aaftab ka noor chupaye nahi chipta ... Waise hi jodha akbar ki dastaan nahi mit sakti...chahe koi kitni bhi koshish karle...hum dua karenge..
Eid Mubarak...

Iqra khan
''

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: MaddyO



Lines in bold exactly! I NEVER saw Mods note on Abhay's thread, so how can there be fan wars?!
When other threads who openly discuss anything and everything, claim with confidence REAL Akbar would never have done this, was not this - btw HOW IS THIS NOT DISCUSSING HISTORY?!! - are allowed to go on merrily!

So the threads getting Mods Note are ok but not Abhay's threads!


I am with you Maddy. Entire forum goes on about how real Akbar wouldn't have done this, can't be that stupid etc., isn't it discussing history only? History and historical characters form the premise of the show. History will be discussed. And it is being discussed but admin turns a blind eye to them. They focus their energies on Abhay's threads and block them where history is properly referenced. Whereas threads discussing history unabashedly go free. If they are allowed than why can't Abhay's threads be re-opened? Either the rule shouldn't be there and if it is, then it should be applied fairly. Fair application would be to block nearly all threads on the forum as at some point or the other, all discussions become historical in nature.
Edited by ann2012 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
Lot has been said and discussed, however we would like to clear some points.

Rules are made based on issues/concerns pertaining to forum and not based on minority or majority or groups. DT's look into the suggestions it's pro and cons of the rule and only after discussions with higher DT decision was taken to implement the rule.

Having said that, this is a discussion forum, meant for the discussion of show and the episodes and the content shown there by. History is a vast subject. The forum is to discuss the show where history can be a part of it and not a history forum where show is a part of it. If anyone want to share the knowledge/information related to history they can do it the sticky thread made for that purpose.

It's a open forum and everyone has their right to voice out their opinions and point of view so you are just like any other member more than welcome to share your historical knowledge with fellow members and participate in forum discussions but it should be done in the sticky thread created to serve that purpose.

Other forums like Maharana Pratap and Mahabharat were given in reference but it was no fight, fan clash or hurt sentiments which is not the cause in JA forum. We all have a tendency to assume that the way that most people do things is the acceptable, and its the right way but that's NOT the case. When people from different culture, religion and country comes together, it will be issues and many sentiments and beliefs may get hurt hence we should make sure everyone is felt included and respected.

Apart from this, we have always maintained if members have concerns with DT to take it up on PM. If it does not work out they can approach higher DT instead if bringing it on forum. Thus we fail to understand the reason for opening topic in forum considering members were already in conversation with GM's on this matter. Any posts targeting DT or forum members is NOT allowed under any circumstances. If any member wants to give their suggestions inputs to DT feel free to do so, it will be considered. DT's will discuss the suggestions it's pro and cons and take decision accordingly.

In the end we have explained all the points and there is nothing much left to be said from our end. Rule has been made and we expect members to follow it. It would be appreciated if members utilize the sticky thread to discuss history. If you don't wish to post in the sticky it is your personal choice we respect that. However we will not be allowing any posts in forum related to history.

Topic Closed

I-F Dev Team

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