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Posted: 11 years ago
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Dear Friends,

Judging by the hundreds of PMs I have received, many of you seem to be wondering where I had disappeared to. I am overwhelmed by your concern and affection. As it is not possible for me to answer each of you separately by PM, I am posting a common response to all.

Many of you seem to be quite shocked and frustrated to know that my history threads have been locked, due to a new rule introduced on 24 May, 2014, which restricts all discussions based on history to be conducted ONLY on the "Doubts and Discussions about Historical Facts " sticky. This was a shock to me also. I joined the forum for the pleasure of sharing knowledge and for clearing misconceptions about Mughals, notably Jodha and Akbar, as, even though dramatized, the show is based on them.

My passion for the real AKDha story drove me to create a series of 6 long and deep threads on Akbar and MUZ over a period of 9-10 months. I (and many other friends) traveled across states, met a lot of people, went through rare Mughal chronicles, Govt. archives, Royal accounts, and Persian / French / Portuguese / Dutch / Punjabi / Marathi, etc. -translated books in order to dig out/cross verify the TRUTH that had been deliberately and systematically altered by the later generations, for reasons NOW known to all. My last thread alone, about Akbar's Kids, took 3 months.!!!!!!.


These threads together (along with comments and updates) stretch into hundreds of pages, spanning over thousands of comments, running into several lacs of views.

Please note that I had to create a series of threads for the following reasons:

a. Collating such extensive information on the sticky would have made it simply impossible to keep track of what I had posted and what your comments and queries were.

b.
It would have been a mess for you also to follow so much information all "mixed up" among "other" posts. Many of you yourselves have posted on the sticky about its "Unorganized" nature.

c.
So Deep/Extensive is the story of Akbar and MUZ that a single thread would not have been able to do justice to it.

This ' NEW ' rule of restricting history to a sticky is Unique to our Forum, as neither the Maharana Pratap Forum nor any other Old Forum of IF had this rule. And it came as a big blow to me (and to those of you who read these threads eagerly) when this rule was implemented and my threads were locked simply because::

a. Some of our colleagues felt such discussions were "out of place" on the forum and

b. Raised the issue of 'authenticity' of the content written in these threads, and

c. Reported these threads many times, and

d. Insisted that such discussions be carried out ONLY on a sticky.

I found that most of you are also NOT at all happy with this Rule. Many of you have asked me these questions in your PMs::

1. Isn't IF an OPEN Forum that allows us ALL to voice ourselves and conduct cordial and peaceful discussions?

2. Isn't such a rule against every member's Right to Freedom of Speech and the Right to Make Threads to Express Themselves .?. Threads can be closed for "offensive' content, but why restrict such civil, peaceful and cordial threads .?.

All these days, despite my exams, I tried to find answers to these questions and pleaded endlessly for the rule to be scrapped and my threads to be re-opened. I provided all possible evidence to prove the genuineness of my case BUT it was all ignored and my pleas went unheard.

1. I informed that MANY Forum Members had verified my threads to be genuine,

a. As can be seen in their comments::
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b. A couple of Forum members, including a former historian and a silent reader of these threads, posted on my history threads that these threads were also scrutinized by the famous Mughal History researcher / author / enthusiast, Ms. Indu Sundaresan.

c. These threads have been copied even to FB and Twitter.

2. I also mentioned that those who reported my threads could discuss the content with me and provide references to prove me wrong, instead of reporting it continuously, as per standard process.

3. It is also Forum etiquette to accept differing points of view gracefully or ignore threads that one disagrees with, instead of reporting it or asking for discussions to be carried out ONLY on a sticky. Any rule on a Forum must reflect the sentiments of the Majority.

4. Can an Open Forum SUDDENLY create a Rule, which Restricts us from making 'particular' types of threads.?.

Despite several requests and repeated explanations, my threads Remain Locked for NO "specific reason". I now "need' to restrict my history posts/limited time to the sticky, which is a haphazard 'forest' , where it is Very Easy for the Forum members to Get Lost while searching for a simple answer. My only motivation to come to the forum was and remains:: to FREELY share my knowledge with all of you and learn something from you in the process.

I just want to conclude by saying it is a very sad day for JA IF that the Freedom of expression and the Spirit of Healthy and Cordial Discussions for which it was known is now DEAD and BURIED, under the garb of an Unpopular Rule, which is totally IMPRACTICAL and has many LOOPHOLES::

1. The show is about Jodha and Akbar. The first reaction to anything shown in the serial is - "Did this happen in history.?. " Hence, history will Be brought to the Fore, despite any extent of dramatization.

2. If such a rule is applied then ALMOST EVERY Episode Discussion thread on this Forum would be closed because NOT a single thread on the Forum is devoid of such a discussion.

3. Every Historical Show on TV is Dramatized; JA is not an exception. A disclaimer is present in all shows, such as Maharana Pratap. Hence, a clause saying that JA is fiction because it runs with a disclaimer cannot serve as a reason to curb such discussions. The show makers are using Real Names, Real Places, and Real Dynasties from our history. Hence, questions from history will be raised regularly, even on Episode Threads.!. "

So far I have not been able to understand the Rationale Behind such a Rule, as there seems to be NONE. At least, I have Not been given any Satisfactory Reason.


I wish to thank all those friends who stood by me all these days. Hope, this short post answers all the questions asked to me in the PMs.

PS:: Everything mentioned in this post is 100% True, and can be verified easily. As you all know, I state something ONLY when I can back it with Concrete Evidence.

As Rumi says:: Yesterday I was clever. So I wanted to change the world. Today I'm wise. So I'm changing myself.


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KDR81 thumbnail
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Abhay...😃


It hardly matters who appreciated your work or who didn't ...till you yourself know and believe that you gave your 100% sincerity and had been true towards your passion for the work.😊
Understand that when you are bombarded with questions from people...it means you have made them re-think on what they had been believing all along.😊

Your biggest critics are your biggest Brand Marketers too..!!😃

Regards,
Kamal

P.S.Keep up ur search for the truth of the Lost Enigma MUZ.

Edited by KDR81 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi Abhay


Welcome back

and

Many, Many Happy Returns of the Day!!! 🤗


I feel sad to know your threads are still locked. Really miss reading them. 😕 And missed you and your wonderful posts!

Please come back to forum - we really need a history expert like you to answer all our queries.

Hope this issue is resolved soon and we can once more enjoy our history discussions freely. ⭐️
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi abhay
happy birthday have a blast

so happy seeing you here hope u come back again and rock the forum its realy nthing without you and your post
sad threads are still closed hope they reopen soon and matter solve soon to
coz we need your expert comments on every single episode we have tons ofquires for u and wwaiting for answers

come back soon
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Wow!!!!! reading a post from you after ages. The forum was not the same without your posts. We all missed your comments during the war track. And there were so many questions we had about the Kabul characters like MC, her daughters, new husband Haider, the blind minister,HM, AM, Munim Khan's son and many more...Unfortunately, we weren't able to access your threads either ...most of them were locked.

It is understandable why it so difficult for you to continue posting on this forum. I tried using the sticky thread several times. I was reminded of the time I was lost driving through countryside. Didn't have a GPS device in those days and kept driving deeper into a forest. Thanked my stars when I spotted a ranger who helped me. No such luck on the sticky thread. It is impossible to find what we are looking for or be part of a discussion. Too many interfering unrelated posts in between. Finally, I gave up
Hope we find a writer friendly solution to this problem soon. The forum misses its star writer.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Finally you posted something Abhay after a really long break😛...
You have no idea how we much we missed you and the history related posts/comments your make on a regular basis...
Whole lot of questions related to JA events and characters and NONE to give the RIGHT and REFERENCED answer to them....Was feeling helpless by your absence...
Read your post Abhay and your reasons and I am completely in agreement to them... I am extremely saddened and disheartened with this rule as I have seen the STICKY and the drawbacks it carries...
I completely support the idea of your threads being re-opened and request concerned authorities to allow new history threads to made in Jodha Akbar forum, understanding the new developments that happen in the serial everyday...
I ALSO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO WISH YOU A HAPPY BIRTHDAY AND A BRIGHT FUTURE😃
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi Abhay,

A very very Happy Birthday!!

and good to see u back on forum after so many days
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi abhay 😃 many more happy returns of the day 😊

Welcme back n grt to see u in forum 😃

It's very sad to see the threads which u made being closed... It must have taken lot of time n pain in collecting information and minute details of history from everywhere n arrange it n presenting to us all the time... I seriously feel bad for this pathetic rules which is not allowing us to read all valuable info abt history... We need your threads to b reopened... Got interested in history bcz of all ur valuable and rare information which u give us... We all will support u n hope all ur threads wil b reopened as they are nothing offensive...

Hats off to ur efforts n Come back soon 😊
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Abhay welcome back 😃
Wish you a very Happy Birthday and many many many Happier Returns. 😃

Miss you on the forum so much. Agree with you, we are watching Jodha Akbar to know their real story, human beings behind the legends.

Your threads have been a wonderful source of information doubt clearing and as trusted source of information, what had really happened!

I agree - I wonder how many - IF ANY - member would be willing to make a thread where he/she cannot display name!

Your threads are the real GEMS of JA forum, everyone knows the research and efforts involved. ⭐️⭐️⭐️

You deserve to take credit for them.⭐️

I sincerely earnestly hope that with the huge demand from forum members, your threads are reopened and new ones allowed. 👍🏼

This information draught has gone on far too long.
Hope your threads and you come back to JA forum soon. 😃😃😃

Edited by MaddyO - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Pals2411

Finally you posted something Abhay after a really long break😛...
You have no idea how we much we missed you and the history related posts/comments your make on a regular basis...
Whole lot of questions related to JA events and characters and NONE to give the RIGHT and REFERENCED answer to them....Was feeling helpless by your absence...
Read your post Abhay and your reasons and I am completely in agreement to them... I am extremely saddened and disheartened with this rule as I have seen the STICKY and the drawbacks it carries...
I completely support the idea of your threads being re-opened and request concerned authorities to allow new history threads to made in Jodha Akbar forum, understanding the new developments that happen in the serial everyday...
I ALSO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO WISH YOU A HAPPY BIRTHDAY AND A BRIGHT FUTURE😃


I agree with Pallavi!

Your threads were the most popular and the most intellectual threads on the forum. Infotainment at its best ⭐️

It's hard to understand why they should be closed or moved to a single common thread. If so many genres of threads are allowed on the forum, why not threads where we learn and understand so much more about what's happening on the show and our own history and culture?

I used to take a really long time to read each of your threads individually, trying to absorb each word, each interpretation, each nuance...I wonder how it would be like if all those threads were mixed up along with those of others too and served as a mish-mash...can't imagine how I will be able to navigate thru it. 😕


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