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Posted: 11 years ago
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Lunch break so a few thoughts on the track and this episode ...

First, A Mini-Baashan from me 😆

I wanted to start off with a few words on positivity and what I believe it to be. Positivity to me is being able to smile amidst the negativity. Life, the show, the forum is never going to be completely perfect. The important thing is to be able to smile about what you like amidst it or else what is the strength of your positivity?

And, we all watch the show for different things and so there is no way everyone can be happy at the same time. Hence, if you did not like something you should feel free to express it and vent it out. It is unhealthy to keep it within yourself. That is what the forum is for. And this is why this thread always encourages all points of view.

Sorry for the baashan but I am not sure what this new trend of positivity policing is. There have been threads like Jalal is a rakshaas, Jalal is a fool, Jodha has no self-respect for months. What has changed now?

I hope everyone continues to respect all views on this forum because that is what made this forum always special.

An emerging view on this track:

In the past, there was frustration because Jalal was shown weak so that Jodha could save him, whether that was the Tasneem track, Ben track, etc. But, today , Jodha and women were strong to save themselves (not Jalal) and that spirit and action is what I will applaud.

I am not sure why the CVs showed Jalal weak in this track at all ... To show his emotional weakness with relatives, the emotional bond between Jodha and Jalal, pure Sholay style drama? Only the CVs know the answer to that.

Because to show Jodha and the women defending themselves, they did not need to show a weak Jalal. So, I would enjoy the naari shakti as it is a completely separate point and lament the weakness of Jalal (which may now be over) as a separate point and a pure stupidity of the CVs!

In addition, Jalal has defeated Abul Mali in hand-to-hand combat and that too unarmed ... So it is not like they are showing the women do something Akbar could not. Jalal's mistake was only one: blindly trusting and following Nigar.

And to be honest, if Nigar had come to the harem ladies as if she had escaped from MahaC and Abul Mali and to save her, Jodha would also have believed it and then Shehnaaz could have taken someone in the harem as hostage to win the war.

So, with that, this take is to appreciate the power of women and the return of Jalal:

(1) Jodha's leadership and inspiration: Jodha was a true leader today as she inspired the women to action but was not shown doing all the action. That is a true leader ... Knowing how to leverage his / her resources.

(2) Ruq- Jodha bonding in a time of need: I loved how Ruq's rose to the occasion. In a time of need, she wiped aside all her prejudices against Jodha, and supported Jodha's effort.

The other begums must have realized that if Ruq has been convinced by Jodha, they better get convinced. 😉

I also liked how the CVs gave her prominence by first shooting at Abul Mali, continuing to fight with the arrow when she lost the bow, and continuing to stand guard with a sword after Jodha saved her from Abul Mali. 👏

(3) A true team effort: I also liked how the whole planning to execution was shown as a team effort. Everyone played a role in the planning from Gulbadan with the mirchi to Zakira with the poison.

And in the fighting, everyone was shown in the effort with Resham and Javeda throwing mirchi and even Maham Anga was impressive with the sword. Even Salima was shown helping Jodha!

All in all, an amazing team effort! 👏

(4) The defeat of Abul Mali: What a beautiful sight to see Abul Mali defeated on the ground by Jodha ... And loved Jodha's word and sword attack. Now that is a double punch!

Now, who is waiting for Shehnaaz's turn! 😉

(5) Jalal the sher returns: I hated the torture of Jalal today and again I am not sure why it was shown. It looks like he is saved by Maan Singh and we will have to see how it is played out.

I am glad to see the "zakhmi sher" in action! But, if it takes a zakhm to drive Jalal into action, the next time they send him to war, they better give him a small wound in addition to the tilak and aarti. 😆

Jokes apart, what are your thoughts on the episode and the take?



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Posted: 11 years ago
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I am not looking at this from history pov - I am now looking at this from pure story pov - and EK has made a woman stand on a man to show her as kaabil - she has once again put down men to push women up - and this is the worst that can happen for the cause of women - and it is precisely for this reason that I have always hated EK's shows.


Today I am sad for womanhood - As a woman I do not need to have a man put down to show my strength - and that is what EK and Zee have done - they have reduced Akbar to enhance Women - even as a person I do not agree that one has to step on another kaabil person to show one's kabiliyat. Srry but this is my pov.
Edited by adianasr - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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i cant join u divya srry. today we were told not to post our views. if we r against weak jalal we r bashing. we were told tht we r spreading negativity. so fine im not saying anything. enjoy today's episode. i would have enjoyed as well if jalal was not degraded in the process.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I love todays episode
me and mom enjoy it
dont want to think why jalal shown like this
what happened tomorrow
how is it possible
today I am in spell of women power and what is problem in watching a strong lady afterall I am also a girl
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I liked the mini bhashan of yours 😳 & I agree to it ...!!

Because to show Jodha and the women defending themselves, they did not need to show a weak Jalal. So, I would enjoy the naari shakti as it is a completely separate point and lament the weakness of Jalal (which may now be over) as a separate point and a pure stupidity of the CVs!

I applaud you & I agree on this 100% 👏👏

yes todays epi was good .. but I dont knw somehow I am not satisfied completely maybe becoz the way jodha is being hailed at the cost of Akbar is somewhat pinching me ... I even mentioned in adia's thread that I am not against feminism but by weakning Akbar & showing him helpless is something that is crap ... which I do not support ... they could have shown them as equals by Akbar fighting with mali &co ... & harem fighting with Chuchak & shenu ... rather I would have been happy with this type of NR's ... currently I am in a dilemma sweetheart ... I knw not what to say 😕 or u can say I am not that happy yaar ...😭
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: adianasr

I am not looking at this from history pov - I am now looking at this from pure story pov - and EK has made a woman stand on a man to show her as kaabil - she has once again put down men to push women up - and this is the worst that can happen for the cause of women - and it is precisely for this reason that I have always hated EK's shows.


Today I am sad for womanhood - As a woman I do not need to have a man put down to show my strength - and that is what EK and Zee have done - they have reduced Akbar to enhance Women - even as a person I do not agree that one has to step on another kaabil person to show one's kabiliyat. Srry but this is my pov.



Adia, and this is where I agree execution of this track was poor. If they had shown Jalal fighting in the battlefield and Jodha defending the harem, not only would Jalal been shown strong, but Jodha would also have been shown stronger.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Nice take 5 divya.
Well if we forget about Jalal then today's epi wasn't bad. It was funny and OTT and illogical. But I like it. U said the reasons in ur top 5. Like the way all woman worked together, everyone contributed what they could and fight for themselves.
But u know my Problem Divya. I can never see Jalal week. Akbar beaten up by like this. For months we all r waiting for our TE to return but he never did. In every track we expected to have him a plan B but he never had.I really love my Jallad a lot. But the cvs don't show him anymore. Its really disappointing.
I always tell u na dont keep hope Divya. But all this time I had 1% hope that maybe he has a plan, Maybe I will get my TE back. But after seeing the precap again disappointed. The only reason I can't leave watching this show is RT. He made open the tv at 8.30 everyday to watch JA.
Finally I accepted Divya our TE is dead and he is never coming back.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: munnirony

i cant join u divya srry. today we were told not to post our views. if we r against weak jalal we r bashing. we were told tht we r spreading negativity. so fine im not saying anything. enjoy today's episode. i would have enjoyed as well if jalal was not degraded in the process.


I hope you did not take my mini-baashan in the wrong way? I always welcome all views on my thread.


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Beautiful beautiful words Divya - I totally agree with you on each and every point.
As for your first para - can I say ye ye - just like a British parliamentarian?

After a long time, I'm voicing my opinion here dear and doing so only because it's your thread😊

I don't know why, but the positive policing here is getting just as overwhelming as the bashing was a few months ago (of both leads)
India forums was and never will be a fanpage - it is a forum where healthy discussions are welcome. It is as much a debate corner as much as it is a place to post beautiful pictures of the leads. Anyone knows some debates do turn heated once in a while - if the language used is offensive, then I can understand raising one's hands in the air in protest - but these days, it appears like no one is allowed to say anything at all!

Besides, some of the comments by the positivists here are getting just as acidic as those of the strong critics/bashers a few months ago.
Members like you, myself, Sunny etc who used to have loads of fun making fun of the episodes - basically because we appreciated the leads' work in it - would have to think twice before posting anything now and this shouldn't be the case.
If there was no criticism, how would one learn to look at the other side of the coin at all? How would we know what is good/bad - how would we learn of new viewpoints/ideologies?

As long as one's language/terminology is within limits, I would like the mods to make it clear that constructive criticism is very much welcome. Turning that away from the forum will only make it a fanpage! This is a serial forum - and this place should be a home for everyone be it Pro Jalal/Pro Jodha/Pro Jodha Jalal/Pro Ruqaiyya/Pro MA/Pro Ekta - everyone should be free to express what they like and didn't like about the episode!

Frankly speaking, I find yours and Ela's viewpoints most balanced around here - appreciative of ALL characters in the show (Even Ruqs and MA) which is such a rarity in the forum - picking out the flaws when they're definitely there - and honestly voicing what you feel about the episode while making sure your language always remains dignified!!!

Kudos 👍🏼
Edited by lashy - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: divyavm


I hope you did not take my mini-baashan in the wrong way? I always welcome all views on my thread.



im not upset on u divya. i know ur always positive. but few people in this forum r trying to stop us. infact, we were told to leave the forum. i hope i can share my views in ur thread & noone will tell me to get out.😭

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