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Posted: 11 years ago
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Beautiful Mandy.
Jalal had 3 important women in his life, like he had told in one of the episodes, when he wanted to punish his Khan Baba for what he had done, it was MA, Ruq's and HB. MA betrayed him by trying to separate his love which hurt Jalal, more than the reason why she did, for him her betrayal affected, he never expected the person whom he loved and trusted could do this to him (he always knew about her evilness with others, but he believed that, she can never harm or hurt him), the same case is with Ruq's, he always knew that, she wasn't good with others and she always wants to be special and power oriented, but never expected that her love/trust for him will be betrayed and she could play such dirty game to keep him closer, till now he has not realised it is also because she wants to keep Jodha away, the moment he gets to know that, he will start hating Ruq's like he does with MA.
Its really pity that, the important women in his life never understood him really, he never ignored them or their importance in his life was reduced, it is like he started sharing the time and love with another person as well which these two women failed to understand.
Yes, now Jodha will be his support in many ways, the empty space which Ruq's and MA has left will be filled by Jodha, and she already had her own space, but taking the other two women's place in his life will make her extra special. But like you said, CV's should portray this in balancing way by showing that she becomes his support, but not make her mahan like they try to do it. Hope they show the journey of being a better half to Jalal in a sensible way.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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jodha would have risen in jalal's life..it was inevitable inspite of what role ruwaiyya played in his life..the pregnancy track proved that...his love for jodha stands on its own and nothing will overshadow it and the pregnancy news only brought them closer...

instead it should have been how ruqaiyya handles this ...jealousy is a part of every relationship ..be it siblings ,lovers,friends,marriage or simply colleagues...how you find a way through it defines your character...

yes jalal has a hand in her growing arrogance and overconfidence and insecurity...he kept on hiding her mistakes,he kept on forgiving and forgetting ,he kept on never telling her the clear line that needs to be drawn...just like her ,jodha is his wife too..irrespective of whether he earlier loved her or not..but he should never have allowed ruqaiyya a free rein in thier relationship..and that made her so arrogant that she hatched this nonsense to part them...if he had firmly and sternly drawn that line.ruqaiyya would never ever cross it..she is scared of his temper...

and the worst thing is she hurt her best friend,the family that sheltered her and brought her up,shamed the mughal sultanat and the Emperor...second time ,the first time his sister did the deed...she lost her face...jodha is not hurt,jalal is hurt ,his faith is hurt ,

do you need much of grey cells to decipher what nonsense you were planning...she was witness to the betrayal of MA..the most nearest person in his life andthe impact on him..instead of being his support system she followed the same and more sillier path ..

MA had warned her time and again..hoshiyaar had warned her but she refused to listen...

everyone is responsible for their karma...today she created that situation because she did not want a place in his life..she wanted him as a whole...rule over him ..and in this lost whatever place she held in his life

this is the worst betrayal for him...will he be ever able to come out of it???

if only she could have taken positives from him along with his play for power ,she too would have evolved like he did...

who knows..maybe this will be the start of her redemption...a more human ruqaiyya
Edited by sun29 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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mandy..awesome post ..i forgot to mention earlier...and yes as i had said earlier..when the sun sets on her ,my heart would cry for her inspite of all her folly..
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sun29



mandy..awesome post ..i forgot to mention earlier...and yes as i had said earlier..when the sun sets on her ,my heart would cry for her inspite of all her folly..

Sunny very true, but like Jalal said, you can be forgiven for your mistakes, but not for crime, she did all this inspite of knowing how Jalal will feel after the betrayal and she had seen him breaking down after MA's folly, but still she was only bothered about herself being important to him, she did not think how important he is to her. She wanted to be the only person close to him, it was about her emotions, never his feelings. As a character here, I don't think I would feel for her😡
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Very true mandy , btw I loved the last few line of ruks plight 👏...

I too feel confused with this natakiya rupantar thinge ... I mean I have read somewhere that no matter how many marriages Akbar did ... he always held rukaiyya above everyone , reason was she being the childhood friend ... but here in the show ...its all messed up ...


Sometimes I feel ruks jealousy & insecurity is justified ... but then I also feel that she never acknowledged jalal's heart ... so, after so many years ... now when jodha is the queen of jalal's heart , though it was not an easy conquest for jodha to rule his heart ... she had to face many hurdles & humiliation ... but she won the battle ... never mind jalal had fallen for her when he had seen her for the first time in gangaur festival, but he too being a novice in love didnt understand ... but then gradually he did & today they both are one !!!!

so in this phase of marriage both jalal & jodha have equally gone through their fair share of troubles ... but then they where destined to be one !! & she (jodha) was destined to be the Queen Mother ( Mariam- Uz- Zamani) ... to which rukaiyya has to accept it ... she has to face it ... its her destiny to accept the fact .. come what may !!!!
Edited by varshaakulkarni - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: varshaakulkarni

Very true mandy , btw I loved the last few line of ruks plight 👏...

I too feel confused with this natakiya rupantar thinge ... I mean I have read somewhere that no matter how many marriages Akbar did ... he always held rukaiyya above everyone , reason was she being the childhood friend ... but here in the show ...its all messed up ...


Sometimes I feel ruks jealousy & insecurity is justified ... but then I also feel that she never acknowledged jalal's heart ... so, after so many years ... now when jodha is the queen of jalal's heart , though it was not an easy conquest for jodha to rule his heart ... she had to face many hurdles & humiliation ... but she won the battle ... never mind jalal had fallen for her when he had seen her for the first time in gangaur festival, but he too being a novice in love didnt understand ... but then gradually he did & today they both are one !!!!

so in this phase of marriage both jalal & jodha have equally gone through their fair share of troubles ... but then they where destined to be one !! & she (jodha) was destined to be the Queen Mother ( Mariam- Uz- Zamani) ... to which rukaiyya has to accept it ... she has to face it ... its her destiny to accept the fact .. come what may !!!!


From where did u read these lines ??? 😕
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: sonilausarun


From where did u read these lines ??? 😕


In Indu Sundaseran's novel the 'The Twentieth wife'
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Nice post Mandy 👍🏼

I really want to feel bad for Ruqaiya especially the fact she has been robbed of the happiness to ever become a mom by MA. But what she has done is unforgivable. Not only she back-stabbed Jalal but also duped the entire Agra palace. Took them all for a ride.

As far as, Ruq's characterization is considered, what can be said? In serial terms her character graph has progressed perfectly. It has become OTT. Expected in a serial. Just like Jodha's decisions at times are very OTT (including the baandhi like behavior for Ruq 🤢).

Posted this comment in Ela's thread, transferring it here:

Ruqaiya was always a bully and arrogant lady. Also, a little disillusioned from the starting. Her relations with Jalal weren't ever romantic to begin with. Even before Jodha's coming, Jalal and Ruqu didn't used to spend entire time in each other's hojra. Ruqu had to still ask for his time. She had to use her farman to make Jalal spend time with her 😕

In one of the starting episodes, Ruq (Smiley Suri one) was getting herself checked for pregnancy. In the background we hear some harem ladies talking that this monthly check-up is useless as Jalal doesn't have time for her. This was much before Jodha came into their lives.

Ruqaiya and Jalal never had a love story. Toh usko break karne ka koi matlab hi nhi hai 😕

We saw in this track even Ruq's pregnancy didn't stop JJ romance. This track was just to show downfall of Ruq and her jealousy at it's worst. JJ love doesn't need to be justified, it is too evident and deep to be affected by anything.


Edited by ann2012 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: aashyagh

Sunny very true, but like Jalal said, you can be forgiven for your mistakes, but not for crime, she did all this inspite of knowing how Jalal will feel after the betrayal and she had seen him breaking down after MA's folly, but still she was only bothered about herself being important to him, she did not think how important he is to her. She wanted to be the only person close to him, it was about her emotions, never his feelings. As a character here, I don't think I would feel for her😡


aash my feeling bad for her does not mean she deserves any pardon...if he does not punish her,her arrogance will grow even more and next she may do something even more sinister than now...hence for her own good jalal has to punish her ...

ruqaiyya was never about emotions...she never understood anything emotional hence the emotional jalal could never connect to her...the jalal who connected to her was the powerful Emperor with whom she plotted and planned...and suddenly this jalal has found his dil and with that her insecurity rose ...hence this blinded obsession to do anything to retain her stature in his life and this arrogance that she willl once again get away with it
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Srry but I wont agree tht jalal had ignored ruku bcoz of jodha. Whtever happened it was circumstantial. Ruku's place in jalal's life was always the same nd jodha's entry didn't changed anything. We have to understand when a new relationship enters u tend to give it more time but tht doesn't mean he had ignored ruku. No not at all. Infact jalal had protected her in the murti issue. The main prob with ruku was she always wanted to own jalal. She never tried to give jalal the emotional support which he needed. Yes jalal always had claimed tht he has no heart but as a wife its imp to give tht support whtever the husband. If we talk about ruku she also ignored jalal many times, not bcoz she doesn't cares for him, but bcoz she didn't felt the need. During BB case jalal needed emotional support but it was jodha who went to him even though there was no love. Jodha knew tht just like her, common public had several misunderstandings about jalal nd she tried to remove those misconceptions in her own way. Both jodha nd SB had realized tht he has a heart its just tht he needs to vent out. For ruku things changed bcoz jalal loves jodha. Just like jalal is expected to talk to ruku about his new love, similarly ruku was also expected to vent out in front of jalal just like jodha did. He cares for ruku nd she is still his best friend but bcoz he is in love ruku's thinking had changed. Infact as sun said jalal's fault is he had forgiven ruku many times not only before jodha's entry but also after he fell in love with jodha. Nd thts enough proof tht neither he had ignored ruku nor he had left behind. Besides these things r new for jalal so more than jalal it was HB nd SB's responsibility to try to balance the things b/w all 3.
Edited by munnirony - 11 years ago

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