First half bad but second half makes up! - Page 9

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Mansi - what has Jalal done to deserve what Ruk is doing to him?

Ruk ALWAYS BUT ALWAYS told Jalal that she does not care if he spends time with other wives, she is not jealous about sharing him - as long as her BEk status, her Audha, her haram remains with her.

Has Jalal taken any of that away from Ruk?
Has Jalal not spoiled Ruk ROTTEN with excessive pampering?
Has Jalal not been a good husband who GAVE Ruk EVERYTHING she asked for?

Jalal even did not spare BB but in 4 horrible big instances of Ruk behavior Jalal just let Ruk get away with them. The small ones are too many to count!

First - before Ben track asking Jodha to vacate her hojara. Jalal made sure Jodha stayed there - that was more because of his vachan to Jodha about her Kanha's respect. Jalal let loose such vicious ugly words on Jodha in return to placate Ruk.

Second - Ruk goaded him to marry Ben and after Ben truth came out Jalal looked like a fool for almost marrying the one who was there to kill him. Not just saving his life Jodha also saved his honor. Jalal did not even by a word let Ruk feel she was wrong and her pressure almost got him killed. In fact Jalal gave Ruk a gift!

Third - in Murti Kand - where Jalal knew very well it was Ruk who did the despicable act. Jalal just said in front of everybody that Jodha could not have done it and HID Ruk's sordid truth from everybody - nor did he punish Ruk for it.

Fourth - when Ruk told him she knew it was a Rajvanshi dressed as Khwaja Shera in haram. Did Ruk KNOW who it was? What if it was some Rajvanshi who had come with intention to kill Jalal? What if Jalal was attacked by the Rajvanshi actually - did he bother to ask this of Ruk?
What if not him but anybody else was attacked in haram? Is not haram Ruk's responsibility? Ruk lied to Jalal to separate Jodha from him and Jalal just did NOTHING!

From Ruk's side - Jalal has DONE NOTHING that Ruk can do this horrible act on Jalal.

I think for all the 4 reasons stated above, Jalal is going to DESERVE what Ruk is doing to him.

Hiding crime so the innocent does not get justice, standing by and letting the woman he professes to love get insulted, pampering Ruk so much always and pardoning her every vicious act that Ruk is now so arrogant to say "no matter how big a lie I tell Jalal will believe it blindly" - Jalal deserves everything Ruk is doing to him.

However much I hate the way Jodha is behaving - she has mostly always behaved this way with Ruk! Jalal is the one who NOW professes to love Jodha but his love seems to be so weak that he has no spine to simply tell Ruk who is so atrociously behaved - that she should accord respect to Jodha.

Forget love! Even if Jalal was NOT in love with Jodha - Ruk treating Jodha this was should not be tolerated by him. Why JUST Jodha - Ruk treating ANYBODY this way should not be tolerated! So tomorrow if Ruk decides that cos she is pregnant and is in bad mood she can insult SB - will Jalal stand aside and let Ruk do that? We all know the answer to this!!!

Jalal has NEVER stood up for Jodha - against Ruk EVER!

If Jalal gets angry with Ruk AFTER he learns of the truth and then tells her to accord respect to Jodha?!!! No it has no meaning for me!

Jalal let MA manipulate Jodha away from him. Jalal is letting Ruk manipulate Jodha away from him! If he is so hen-pecked against Ruk what to say about his spine?!

So if as Diksha said Ruk ASKED him to chose between the child and Jodha - HE SHOULD LET RUK SAY THIS????

What does it say for Jalal if he can let someone manipulate him so easily! So Jalal will let himself be emotionally blackmailed into doing whatever Ruk tells him? What if Ruk WAS REALLY PREGNANT and told him to chose - Jalal would chose his child?

I don't think love should be at the merci of emotional blackmail and tantrums!

If Ruk EVER said this to Jalal - I would like to see him tell Ruk that JALAL WILL CHOOSE HIS CHILD AND JODHA. That as a father he has every right on his child and it is not for Ruk to deny him ANY rights to his child and it is NOT for Ruk to DECIDE HOW his relationship with Jodha will be.

After yesterday not an ounce of sympathy for this Jalal - he fully deserves what Ruk is doing to him - cos ONLY Jalal is responsible for letting Ruk come to this stage!

I want to FULLY ENJOY how Jalal will face this and I want it to be IN DEK - where lot of Jdha's humiliations took place.

Again repeating what I wrote yesterday - I would LOVE for fiery Jodha to be back - not AFTER she learns of Ruk truth but JUST BECAUSE - self respect is every person's right and Jodha should stand up for hers. Telling someone who is mistreating and insulting you firmly that you will not stand up for such behavior is something GOOD!!!!!

Originally posted by: ---jais---

Mansi nice post love your green part.

there is nothing new about ruk . She is always rude,horrifing,immature that is excatly who she is. But I justified her anger because she come to know about on jalal attack froma bandhi while whole palace knew it.

but i could not understand the behavior of both jalal and jodha just because she is pregnant they would bear all her nonsene. I also did not like that when ruk said to send jodha and jalal agree for that. First jodha was hurt,tired and has been fasting all days. He could say that jodha is hurt she need some rest but no he said nothing i did not like it.

Well loved last part of episode it was beautiful and divine.

Originally posted by: skanda12

Maddy this is a heartfelt post you have made and I can feel your ire about this whole situation.

Se from my point of view, even if Jalal did not love Jodha, he should still be sure to tell Ruq that such sudden spurts of bad behaviour do not befit a queen, much less a Khas begum. As I wrote in reply to Diksha's post, I would expect him to be fair even to a puppy if he saw Rahim treating the puppy unfairly. Fairness should not be at the mercy of personal satisfactions (eg. because Ruq is going to give the child he wants) and fairness should not be for loyalties (eg. his old and cherished ties with Ruq from childhgood) and fairness should not be for accumulation of many mistakes before justice is done (eg. waiting for exposure before telling Ruq all her many faults).

I would expect that if jalal saw Ruq screeching at Hoshiyaar he would tell her that is not acceptable behaviour for someone who is a queen. That is all I am asing for him to say even if its not Hoshiyaar and it is Jodha. is that too much to ask?

Originally posted by: neeshaa16

What can I say.. Diksha..superb take!! just amazing.. loved it to the core.. 👏👏

Originally posted by: abhi786

Mansi I enjoyed the episode especially JJ doing Namaaz together & even Ruqu-Jalaal-Jodha and also Ruqlaal scene also..

If we keep aside Ruqu fake pregnancy, can't Ruqu anger justified as a friend & wife ? Till now any attack happened on Jalaal, he himself go & shared with Ruqu. Then how can she accept that now he didn't come & share with him ? Even though he may fell in love with JO, but she is still his friend, first wife whom he shared everything

Jalaal was guilty when Ruku asked the same question why he didn't share with her now ? why someone has to tell her ? Why not him ? The guilt in Jalaal, is that Ruqu has right to question him as a friend & wife and he didn't go to her & listened to JO and the same guilt is there in JO also, as she gave wrong advice to Jallu, as she doesn't know how Ruqlal relationship is..

To top of that both JJ are more worried to calm her down for baby sake and JO tried to calm her telling that they didn't shared it for child and put the daaga on Ruqu hand..Jallu showed her support to JO by telling her how good warrior and he would take her everywhere...

He understood JO needs his support while he doesn't want to upset Ruqu by bringing how rude she is to JO while JO is so good to her.

Ruqlal scene is also good, I saw how Jallu pamper hers friend so much she is still not realizing what she is going to loose with this stupid Fake pregnancy ...Whatever she does she is not going to break the emotional bond , trust & understanding JJ are now have for each other.

Ruqu is digging her grave herself & this time the fall is HUGE.. ...

JJ are just tolerating her as she is pregnant, both JJ understand her anger, & thought that rudeness of Ruqu is because Jallu didn't share the attack with her..

One thing I didn't like is when Ruqu asked Jallu to call for JO, he happily said OK, it would be good if he said, JO is hurt, she needs some rest, may be she will meet her tomorrow...

Originally posted by: Donjas

I totally agree with your opinion. This fake pregnancy track is a torture now, for me it like grating my finger nail on a glass. The CV's are exaggerating Ruq's boorishness as they slowly lead this track to it's climax.

What they don't realize is that they eroding the credibility of both their leads in the process. Jalal is being shown as spineless, totally unable to stand up to this woman. And Jodha is being shown as unrealistically good in her behavior towards Ruq, a kind of sweetness that is cloying and it is getting on my nerves now.

Akbar who ruled the country and Jodha an astute businesswoman who had ships plying the trade routes, are being hoodwinked by a half-baked plan of a woman with limited intelligence. It is ridiculous, I say.

Originally posted by: MaddyO

Mansi - what has Jalal done to deserve what Ruk is doing to him?

Ruk ALWAYS BUT ALWAYS told Jalal that she does not care if he spends time with other wives, she is not jealous about sharing him - as long as her BEk status, her Audha, her haram remains with her.

Has Jalal taken any of that away from Ruk?
Has Jalal not spoiled Ruk ROTTEN with excessive pampering?
Has Jalal not been a good husband who GAVE Ruk EVERYTHING she asked for?

Jalal even did not spare BB but in 4 horrible big instances of Ruk behavior Jalal just let Ruk get away with them. The small ones are too many to count!

First - before Ben track asking Jodha to vacate her hojara. Jalal made sure Jodha stayed there - that was more because of his vachan to Jodha about her Kanha's respect. Jalal let loose such vicious ugly words on Jodha in return to placate Ruk.

Second - Ruk goaded him to marry Ben and after Ben truth came out Jalal looked like a fool for almost marrying the one who was there to kill him. Not just saving his life Jodha also saved his honor. Jalal did not even by a word let Ruk feel she was wrong and her pressure almost got him killed. In fact Jalal gave Ruk a gift!

Third - in Murti Kand - where Jalal knew very well it was Ruk who did the despicable act. Jalal just said in front of everybody that Jodha could not have done it and HID Ruk's sordid truth from everybody - nor did he punish Ruk for it.

Fourth - when Ruk told him she knew it was a Rajvanshi dressed as Khwaja Shera in haram. Did Ruk KNOW who it was? What if it was some Rajvanshi who had come with intention to kill Jalal? What if Jalal was attacked by the Rajvanshi actually - did he bother to ask this of Ruk?
What if not him but anybody else was attacked in haram? Is not haram Ruk's responsibility? Ruk lied to Jalal to separate Jodha from him and Jalal just did NOTHING!

From Ruk's side - Jalal has DONE NOTHING that Ruk can do this horrible act on Jalal.

I think for all the 4 reasons stated above, Jalal is going to DESERVE what Ruk is doing to him.

Hiding crime so the innocent does not get justice, standing by and letting the woman he professes to love get insulted, pampering Ruk so much always and pardoning her every vicious act that Ruk is now so arrogant to say "no matter how big a lie I tell Jalal will believe it blindly" - Jalal deserves everything Ruk is doing to him.

However much I hate the way Jodha is behaving - she has mostly always behaved this way with Ruk! Jalal is the one who NOW professes to love Jodha but his love seems to be so weak that he has no spine to simply tell Ruk who is so atrociously behaved - that she should accord respect to Jodha.

Forget love! Even if Jalal was NOT in love with Jodha - Ruk treating Jodha this was should not be tolerated by him. Why JUST Jodha - Ruk treating ANYBODY this way should not be tolerated! So tomorrow if Ruk decides that cos she is pregnant and is in bad mood she can insult SB - will Jalal stand aside and let Ruk do that? We all know the answer to this!!!

Jalal has NEVER stood up for Jodha - against Ruk EVER!

If Jalal gets angry with Ruk AFTER he learns of the truth and then tells her to accord respect to Jodha?!!! No it has no meaning for me!

Jalal let MA manipulate Jodha away from him. Jalal is letting Ruk manipulate Jodha away from him! If he is so hen-pecked against Ruk what to say about his spine?!

So if as Diksha said Ruk ASKED him to chose between the child and Jodha - HE SHOULD LET RUK SAY THIS????

What does it say for Jalal if he can let someone manipulate him so easily! So Jalal will let himself be emotionally blackmailed into doing whatever Ruk tells him? What if Ruk WAS REALLY PREGNANT and told him to chose - Jalal would chose his child?

I don't think love should be at the merci of emotional blackmail and tantrums!

If Ruk EVER said this to Jalal - I would like to see him tell Ruk that JALAL WILL CHOOSE HIS CHILD AND JODHA. That as a father he has every right on his child and it is not for Ruk to deny him ANY rights to his child and it is NOT for Ruk to DECIDE HOW his relationship with Jodha will be.

After yesterday not an ounce of sympathy for this Jalal - he fully deserves what Ruk is doing to him - cos ONLY Jalal is responsible for letting Ruk come to this stage!

I want to FULLY ENJOY how Jalal will face this and I want it to be IN DEK - where lot of Jdha's humiliations took place.

Again repeating what I wrote yesterday - I would LOVE for fiery Jodha to be back - not AFTER she learns of Ruk truth but JUST BECAUSE - self respect is every person's right and Jodha should stand up for hers. Telling someone who is mistreating and insulting you firmly that you will not stand up for such behavior is something GOOD!!!!!

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

agreed to all ur thoughts, Maddy and Mansi... but one thing... all these talks of fairness work only when conditions r fair all the time... not when ur own destiny is that u have to fight all the time at all levels... when ur own life is unfair to u, u just can't be fair with everybody... so when u r fair to one, u r always unfair to other...

again i say same thing... here it's Ruku both Jo and Jalal r dealing with... and both know she can go to any level... we all want to see Jo's fiery nature... but as i said, this is not time nor place for that... both Jo and Jalal r unaware abt ruku's FP... and they know the moment anyone of them will show that fire to her or will act against her wish, she will put Jalal in a fix o choose btw Jo and their kid... what u expect him to do then?

can even Jo or Jalal give guarantee that in her fit of anger Ruku won't harm the unborn baby, not intentionelly but unintentionelly?

and do u think if it happens, Jalal will be able to take the pain of that guilt of caring more for Jo than Ruku as well as losing his child?

Originally posted by: skanda12

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

Diksha, here I feel Option 2 is my preferred way. I think people should be ready to take strong and fair decisions even if it costs their own life something, and they should then be able to take the consequences of their actions also. Fear of the consequences should NEVER affect the fairness with which one acts. That, to my thinking, is what "living with principles" is all about.

I think this is the core of our difference of opinion today. I would support Option 2 at any cost, and therefore do not see Option 1 as the way for people of calibre. And I want my leads in this serial to be people of principles and calibre.