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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

Mansi, Maddy, think in ruku's point of view... why i said Jo has come btw her and Jalal... coz till the time Jalal started falling for Jo, he has even other women in his life... but that women had no faces , for him they were just women bodies, to satisfy his lust... and this was ok for Ruku, coz the moment his needs r satisfied, Jalal would leave those women's bed and return back to Ruku...

her position in his life was intact... but since Jodha came, or Jalal started falling for her, Jalal has stopped going to Ruku... just like those faceless women, Ruku also has become one more for him... Jo is the one with whome he is sharing his entire night , not ditching her like those other women... rather he has started avoiding Ruku...

not wrong of her when she gets the feeling of losing him, and so gets insecure...coz till Jo came, even Jalal was ok with what he got...

in Ruku's POV, it's Jo who has come btw a good relationship of her and Jalal...

and when Jo has problem in sharing her husband with his first wife, how can we blame ruku for same problem?



diksha, another brilliant take👍🏼..and that is exactly what i have been explaining in my posts that we cannot entirely blame ruk but because of the natkiye rupantar her character is butchered beyond repair!
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

Mansi, Maddy, think in ruku's point of view... why i said Jo has come btw her and Jalal... coz till the time Jalal started falling for Jo, he has even other women in his life... but that women had no faces , for him they were just women bodies, to satisfy his lust... and this was ok for Ruku, coz the moment his needs r satisfied, Jalal would leave those women's bed and return back to Ruku...

her position in his life was intact... but since Jodha came, or Jalal started falling for her, Jalal has stopped going to Ruku... just like those faceless women, Ruku also has become one more for him... Jo is the one with whome he is sharing his entire night , not ditching her like those other women... rather he has started avoiding Ruku...

not wrong of her when she gets the feeling of losing him, and so gets insecure...coz till Jo came, even Jalal was ok with what he got...

in Ruku's POV, it's Jo who has come btw a good relationship of her and Jalal...

and when Jo has problem in sharing her husband with his first wife, how can we blame ruku for same problem?

Diksha, this morning when I made that post itself I knew that there will be many sides to this debate ... that's why I was so eager to see how everybody was thinking. Whatever the points of view, I must say its been a privilege to talk this matter out with everybody with such clever views and such good language to put the points across so powerfully. In the end I agree with some of the things you have written but still feel differently on some other points but then that is the beauty of a topic like this one. There is no right and wrong.
I suppose in the final analysis we all have to be very glad that there is no real baby, and that Jalal will blow a fuse at Ruq at some point soon since he will discover the faking - and that should satisfy both sides of the debate. may this exp[osure come fast now. I have myself been ringing Zee to try and get a date from him when this matter will be out but he's recognizing my number and saying "Why are you asking the same question so many times?"😆😆😆😆
I wished I could tell him that I want to bring peace and shanti to my thread!😃😉
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

Mansi, Maddy, think in ruku's point of view... why i said Jo has come btw her and Jalal... coz till the time Jalal started falling for Jo, he has even other women in his life... but that women had no faces , for him they were just women bodies, to satisfy his lust... and this was ok for Ruku, coz the moment his needs r satisfied, Jalal would leave those women's bed and return back to Ruku...

her position in his life was intact... but since Jodha came, or Jalal started falling for her, Jalal has stopped going to Ruku... just like those faceless women, Ruku also has become one more for him... Jo is the one with whome he is sharing his entire night , not ditching her like those other women... rather he has started avoiding Ruku...

not wrong of her when she gets the feeling of losing him, and so gets insecure...coz till Jo came, even Jalal was ok with what he got...

in Ruku's POV, it's Jo who has come btw a good relationship of her and Jalal...

and when Jo has problem in sharing her husband with his first wife, how can we blame ruku for same problem?



Exactly what Jodha said to Jalal was she feels bad about sharing him with others because she loves him - even though SHE UNDERSTANDS THAT HE ALSO HAS RESPONSIBILITIES TOWARDS THEM. Jodha said in self talk that others love Jalal and he also loves them. So please do not compare Jodha and Rukayya.

Jodha shared all her feelings with Jalal openly and SHE ACCEPTED him when he told her he loved her. Did Jodha put a condition on Jalal that she will become his if he does not go to Ruk? Did Jodha tell him that in her love she should decide how his and Ruk's relationship should be?

This is the difference between Jodha and Rukayya.

Jodha IS NOT TRYING TO CONTROL Jalal - rather she shared her feelings with him and accepted him - she did not make him say he will NOT do something.

Again please read what I wrote about what Ruk ALWAYS told Jalal what she cared for - did Ruk not tell Jalal she did not care what he did as long as Ruk's BEK status, her haram, her Audha remained intact. Has Jalal taken that away from her? Even with her worst behavior Jalal has always stood by Ruk - not Jodha EVER.

So the fault does not lie with Jalal as husband - the fault lies with Ruk cos she is in fact SO MUCH PAMPERED by Jalal that Ruk THINKS AND FEELS IT IS HER RIGHT - to decide and control how Jalal's relationship with Jodha should be. It is not for Ruk to NOW decide she wants what Jalal has with Jodha. Jalal ALWAYS gave Ruk what she most valued.

Even now with his love for Jodha - Jalal has stood by Ruk always. So if Ruk is doing this fake pregnancy plot cos SHE THINKS SHE HAS A RIGHT TO DECIDE HOW JALAL JODHA MARRIAGE SHOULD BE - it is not for Ruk to decide.

Just like Ruk told Jodha not to come between husband and wife - it is time for Ruk to be shut out of Jalal Jodha marriage and their relationship.

Simply because it is not Ruk's right to control Jalal's life!



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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: skanda12

No matter how difficult and complicated his situation there is something called natural justice and if you pput up with glaring injustice it isnt fair to all the people around you, I guess!


How can Jalal do that all of a sudden...wasn't he the one who was encouraging this behaviour of Ruqs earlier...Ruqs was downright rude to Jo always... She is doing nothing new now...
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: sweet_diksha

Mansi, Maddy, think in ruku's point of view... why i said Jo has come btw her and Jalal... coz till the time Jalal started falling for Jo, he has even other women in his life... but that women had no faces , for him they were just women bodies, to satisfy his lust... and this was ok for Ruku, coz the moment his needs r satisfied, Jalal would leave those women's bed and return back to Ruku...

her position in his life was intact... but since Jodha came, or Jalal started falling for her, Jalal has stopped going to Ruku... just like those faceless women, Ruku also has become one more for him... Jo is the one with whome he is sharing his entire night , not ditching her like those other women... rather he has started avoiding Ruku...

not wrong of her when she gets the feeling of losing him, and so gets insecure...coz till Jo came, even Jalal was ok with what he got...

in Ruku's POV, it's Jo who has come btw a good relationship of her and Jalal...

and when Jo has problem in sharing her husband with his first wife, how can we blame ruku for same problem?



Diksha I agree with you that's why Ruku didn't bother of JO till the vishpan, after that she saw Jalaal more drawn to her, not only physically but also emotionally getting attached to her..

Ruqu taught that after JO rejected coming to agra with Jalaal, she was happy now she will get her Jalaal back, but Jalaal still started to spend the night in JO Hojra alone instead of her ?

Her anger, jealous has been increased a lot & with JO coming back all praising her & ignoring her while Jallu eyes looking at her & longing for her only...I remember the scene where beginning episode Jallu eyes first look for Ruqu even though he has haram full of women & those women get ready and wait for his glimses..

I think more that love Ruqu craves for that attention & praises that she still holds Jalaal none can beat her, while now Jallu eyes are search for JO, she is feeling defeated to JO, so is jealous & anger that now she holds Jalaal's attention & became his khas more than her...

I can understand her insecurity, hurt ,hatred for the other women (JO) who snached her friend & hubby and now holding the power to draw his attention...

But still JO is also jallu wife so how can JO came between Ruqlal, it's Jalaal who attracted & went his away to get JO even though there is no physical relationship between them till the anniversary..

Ruqu first time facing the jealous, hurt, anger , she is unable to coping up and she needs Salima or Jallu or HB to console her, instead she has MA... Still jalaal told her position will not change, but now she wants the attention and love he showers on JO including all others.

Till the time she can't realize her place in Jalaal's life and accept the change in her relationship & JJ relationship she is going to loose her peace burning with jealous digging her grave doing the worst to Jalaal & her relationship down...
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Posted: 11 years ago
Second - Ruk goaded him to marry Ben and after Ben truth came out Jalal looked like a fool for almost marrying the one who was there to kill him. Not just saving his life Jodha also saved his honor. Jalal did not even by a word let Ruk feel she was wrong and her pressure almost got him killed. In fact Jalal gave Ruk a gift!



I till date never understood why Ruqs was given a gift...
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: selvi1275

Second - Ruk goaded him to marry Ben and after Ben truth came out Jalal looked like a fool for almost marrying the one who was there to kill him. Not just saving his life Jodha also saved his honor. Jalal did not even by a word let Ruk feel she was wrong and her pressure almost got him killed. In fact Jalal gave Ruk a gift!




I till date never understood why Ruqs was given a gift...




I thought it was for 2 reasons -

1. Because Jalal gifted Sikri new town to Jodha, and he knows how insecure and jealous Ruk is so he first gave her something to protect his ear drums later!

1. For not causing him more guilt by staying alive.
Jalal looked like fool after Ben truth came out, if Ben had done something to Ruk Jalal would have felt even worst cos Jodha almost died saving his life.


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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: abhi786



Diksha I agree with you that's why Ruku didn't bother of JO till the vishpan, after that she saw Jalaal more drawn to her, not only physically but also emotionally getting attached to her..

Ruqu taught that after JO rejected coming to agra with Jalaal, she was happy now she will get her Jalaal back, but Jalaal still started to spend the night in JO Hojra alone instead of her ?

Her anger, jealous has been increased a lot & with JO coming back all praising her & ignoring her while Jallu eyes looking at her & longing for her only...I remember the scene where beginning episode Jallu eyes first look for Ruqu even though he has haram full of women & those women get ready and wait for his glimses..

I think more that love Ruqu craves for that attention & praises that she still holds Jalaal none can beat her, while now Jallu eyes are search for JO, she is feeling defeated to JO, so is jealous & anger that now she holds Jalaal's attention & became his khas more than her...

I can understand her insecurity, hurt ,hatred for the other women (JO) who snached her friend & hubby and now holding the power to draw his attention...

But still JO is also jallu wife so how can JO came between Ruqlal, it's Jalaal who attracted & went his away to get JO even though there is no physical relationship between them till the anniversary..

Ruqu first time facing the jealous, hurt, anger , she is unable to coping up and she needs Salima or Jallu or HB to console her, instead she has MA... Still jalaal told her position will not change, but now she wants the attention and love he showers on JO including all others.

Till the time she can't realize her place in Jalaal's life and accept the change in her relationship & JJ relationship she is going to loose her peace burning with jealous digging her grave doing the worst to Jalaal & her relationship down...




Line in bold exactly! Jalal is the one who went after Jodha. Jodha also is Jalal's wife and has right on him.

If Jalal gives Jodha special rights because he loves her then that is his choice and decision.
Jodha did not ask for anything and if he has given Jodha any rights it is not for Ruk to deny them to Jodha.

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: MaddyO



Exactly what Jodha said to Jalal was she feels bad about sharing him with others because she loves him - even though SHE UNDERSTANDS THAT HE ALSO HAS RESPONSIBILITIES TOWARDS THEM. Jodha said in self talk that others love Jalal and he also loves them. So please do not compare Jodha and Rukayya.

Jodha shared all her feelings with Jalal openly and SHE ACCEPTED him when he told her he loved her. Did Jodha put a condition on Jalal that she will become his if he does not go to Ruk? Did Jodha tell him that in her love she should decide how his and Ruk's relationship should be?

This is the difference between Jodha and Rukayya.

Jodha IS NOT TRYING TO CONTROL Jalal - rather she shared her feelings with him and accepted him - she did not make him say he will NOT do something.

Again please read what I wrote about what Ruk ALWAYS told Jalal what she cared for - did Ruk not tell Jalal she did not care what he did as long as Ruk's BEK status, her haram, her Audha remained intact. Has Jalal taken that away from her? Even with her worst behavior Jalal has always stood by Ruk - not Jodha EVER.

So the fault does not lie with Jalal as husband - the fault lies with Ruk cos she is in fact SO MUCH PAMPERED by Jalal that Ruk THINKS AND FEELS IT IS HER RIGHT - to decide and control how Jalal's relationship with Jodha should be. It is not for Ruk to NOW decide she wants what Jalal has with Jodha. Jalal ALWAYS gave Ruk what she most valued.

Even now with his love for Jodha - Jalal has stood by Ruk always. So if Ruk is doing this fake pregnancy plot cos SHE THINKS SHE HAS A RIGHT TO DECIDE HOW JALAL JODHA MARRIAGE SHOULD BE - it is not for Ruk to decide.

Just like Ruk told Jodha not to come between husband and wife - it is time for Ruk to be shut out of Jalal Jodha marriage and their relationship.

Simply because it is not Ruk's right to control Jalal's life!





Maddy Ruku thought that her BEK,Auda draws Jalaal to her.. In BEN track Jalaal also said the same that he like Ruqu keeping her ruthba & Auda... She never think in her wild dream that JO will get Jalaal attention that too without any physical relationship...Remember he is the same Jalaal who just spend nights with the women & leave them like a old furniture never look at them...

Ruqu never understood why Jalaal is getting so much attracted even after JO left also he spend his nights in JO Hojra alone didn't even came to his Hojra... She is unable to accept that attention JO is holding on him emotionally without her presence..

She is first time seeing the new Jalaal & unable to control him she doesn't know how to get him back to her hojra like before... He not even visit her hojra like before, nor interested in playing with her or drinking or sharing with her ...

Her Jalaal who allways shared everything with her, plotted together against JO, insulting JO (BEN track),Jalaal who agreed to marry BEN for her...She has the control, but now she has no control on him, even with this fake pregnancy also she is unable to control him... I mean control means holding drawing his attention physically & also emotionally while Jalaal left her few months back, sharing with JO picture and now with JO herself..

While Ruqu is still hoping that her plan of fake pregnancy she is getting her control back on Jalaal dividing JJ apart, but still all her plans are failing as Jallu is more & more drawn towards JO...
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Posted: 11 years ago
Mansi I left forum but damm your post why u write such beautifully that its automatically I feel to write
and here all posrs are so good a different complexity of human mind and heart which is always at conflict its u or how your inner strength gives u hints to choose a path which is may be right for you but wrong for others

abt episode I didn't share my feelings anywhere but here couldn't stop to write in all these beautiful writes up mine would a drop of water in an ocean of knowledge

the trio scene
it didn't had the detailed theory they only had one thing in mind that was to show ruq thought process and she generally works using brains and jalal was same earlier now he mostly think from heart and in this case its the most sensitive part of his life and jodha always helps to deal him with such conplex situation coz to her such things comes very easily she dont need to think or do things other way around its her nature its come naturally to her
its not she dont respect herself she do respect herself but her thought process always been similar from day 1
when she can fight for her servants or khwaja shera then to keep quiet infront of ruq is not shocker its her basic nature to deal things like that only
and jalal admire it also

jalal in yesterday episode was just wanted ruq to insure but didn't get ruq intension and insensitive rudness towards jodha

the namaaz part was the most divine religious practice I saw on tv and for first time when u saw on tv u def dont feel to see akdha after ruq dramatic screen presence so u feel disconnect to every aspect coz that moment episode itself losses its charm but when u see second time u feel pleasant seeing akdha praying first kanha then allah

this was symbolic it was like both gods giving them blessing to live together forever and for eachother
now there problems are same
sorrows are same
happiness is same
There fight for love is same
there sadness are same
for me akdha became one yesterday only SR is not for a couple to became one you need to share a life together and the prayer they did was stepping stone to write a new and peaceful legacy of jodha akbar history was made yesterday just with simple gesture of doing a pooja and namaz ek saath
There is a saying a person whi blv in god will never do a misdeed your continous dont allow u to do bad with others and yesterday jodha jalal Jodha were blessed by kanha and allah now they will share life every junction with eachother weather its happy or sad

Meri saanson ki jhankaar ho tum
mera solha sringar ho tum meri ankhon ka intezaar ho tum
mera imaan meri jaan mera maan ho tum


I dont wana touch ruq complexity coz its beyond a damage control u feel nthing for her as such
coz she herself feels nthing good abt her only ranting abt the position doesn't make u worthy of that position u have to earn it and her behaviour with every one is like that its how u see a bad person or a negative thinker will only gonna see bad points in others coz she herself is bad so fpr her jodha care for her or baby is fake coz in her mind she knows there is no baby so her faking is taking her on troll

as for akdha its how good u are u will see good in others for them ruq is a childish immature andba women who desperately wants a baby amd had once suffered a miscarriage any womens worst nightmare so they thinking in good to avoid her and handling thibgs in diff and mature manner with pinch ofvsalt by cvs so they exaggerate all scenes which includes trio
to show the complex of human heart and mind

for me I follow akdha heart more than ruq mind

will write more when I get time thanku


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