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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi Mansi,
Today more than ever I was waiting for your analysis as the episode was fantastic for the sheer acting prowess of RT and AK.You've put everything beautifully but regarding the issue of how MA looks at this relationship with Jalal, I tend to disagree with you as I would call it an obsession and that MA was just trying to justify her actions by trying to divert Jalal's attention from her by venting out her frustrations on Jodha but it backfired on her. I may be wrong but enjoyed the episode and your write-up too. I go to sleep after I read your daily bytes on JA.Keep up your excellent writing skills.
BTW,are you a creative writer?
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Posted: 11 years ago
#12
Very well written Mansi
Your two psychology questions are superb

What I think is that Jalal felt genuine regard for Mahan as anyone would feel for a person they consider their protecter on young age. But that does not give whole them sole right over the life of the protected . Akbar was by nature an independent minded man. Grown men make their own decisions at least strong minded grown men do. Maham's problem was that she wanted Jalal to always stay 14 and look up to her for all decisions. Maham did not realize when Jalal grew up and started doing his own things. She could not come to terms with it. So needed someone to blame it on. And she blames his independent streak on Jodha. But I think Jodhs or no Jodha Jalal would have become independent anyways, so Maham's blaming Jodha here is a bit faulty


I wasn't really expecting her to admit to sazish against Jodha , by doing so is trying to play her last card. She wants him to forget Jodha and once again look up to him for decisions . She is forgetting that he is no longer a little boy

And it's only her sazish against Jodha which has cone to light yet . There are so many eviler things she has done



Strange that after being involved in Baieam Khan's murder she is claiming to be his team mate

Maham wants to be the only power centre in Jalal's life. But strong kings do not allow power centres
Edited by Nandiniraizaada - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#13
I agree with almost your entire post, except this bit,
"I think, the emotional connect is now the remaining area where Maham feels she has not fully established her place with Jalal. She is keen to see that her own "emotional interest" (read that as "romantic interest") in him is not sabotaged ... but in an untimely fashion Jodha has entered the picture and has threatened all possibility of Maham enjoying an emotional vibe with Jalal.

I think the love that Maham now is beginning to feel for Jalal is not of the healthy kind. It is unhealthy, to me, because it borders on the "wifely kind of love" that she so seems to want and hates Jodha for denying her this. She has everything else she could want and now she covets this kind of love from Jalal, I suspect."

It is definitely an emotional connect ...but that's all, I think...this emotional connect gives her a feeling of power: that the Emperor turns to her for emotional support, & that is when she injects her venom into his emotional veins. She loved the emperor to be a puppet in her hands.

There is a difference between a mother-in-law having feelings of animosity for a daughter in law, & Maham having animosity for Jodha. A mother feels insecure because she is scared that the wife may now usurp the "most important woman" position in her son's life, who she dearly & unconditionally loves.

Maham has felt insecure about Jodha because Jodha was helping Jalal to think for himself, to distinguish between the right & the wrong. Jalal was slowly coming out of the evil drugging effect that Maham had injected into his veins since childhood. He was now NOT turning to MA as often for emotional connect, as in the past before Jodha's entry into his life. On the contrary, he was turning to Jodha for that, which was further flushing away Maham's influence on Jalal's mind. So Maham wanted Jodha out of Jalal's life before Jodha could complete this 2way detoxifying process of his mind.

I definitely don't think it borders on the "wifely kind of love". It borders on the kind of love that we have for our animal pets...who we love & feed ...& who ONLY have us for EMOTIONAL support...one may be a criminal, a murderer, a terrorist...but his pet will ONLY love him & turn to him for a cuddle.

Edited by ---Khushi--- - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#14
Dear Mansi,
Lovely taket loved the title What an apt title.. WOW..

Mansi, I loved the episode yesterday.. I loved Ashwini's performance and hated MA all the more.. What a selfish mother.. was she really a mother to Jalal.. She just made him into a Shenhshah that she wanted him to be.. a puppet in her hands so she can rule him all his life.. When she saw that this Shenshah of her making is now changing into a different one.. one influenced by Jodha she could not take it.. because it threatened her position... she felt everything she has done to get that power was now at stake.. thats why she cleverly understood that JO should go out of Jalal's life and hers for ever.. Wow what a manipulative lady she was..

Again her love was not for Jalal but for "Shenshah" .She wanted to be close to him.. or she wanted to be close to his position.. thats why she could always relate to Ruks.. their hunger for Power and position .. was equal.. and their love for Jalal equally shallow... I loved Rajat;s performance as always .He is a master of experssions.. his face just bares his soul and its sufferings..What an excellent act.. by these two.. And equally excellent take by you.. Mansi..take a bow.. .
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Posted: 11 years ago
#15
wow!!! A great detailed analysis, mansi!!!
awesome!!!👏👏

Your analysis seems spot on all the issues that you have pointed out in the jalal-maham relationship...

I wanted to add though, that throughout yesterday's episode of Maham confessing openly, my heart went out to Jalal the child, the young boy who was facing this...💔

I wouldn't want anybody to go thru that...a mother's place in anybody's life is sacred...and somebody (real or foster mother) using it to further their own interests is debilitating to say the least...

Jalal had a tough life...nobody to call his own. I guess that was the price he paid to be the shahenshah..

Jodha will definitely give him that solace, peace and contentment that he has been kept away from successfully by Maham and Bairam Khan...

This event has deepened his trust and faith in Jodha but sadly she is not there by his side...

Hoping and praying that Jalal gets sukoon in his life by the presence of Jodha...
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Posted: 11 years ago
#16

Originally posted by: rima4ever

me first

res 😊

omg my head is reeling reading your review
ma is too complicated and obsessive then
outstanding excellent awesome review

Oops, didn't mean to spin your head!😆😆😆😆😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Awesome analysis, Mansi! 😊
Yesterday's episode was in best ever in JA history. The way Jalal interrogated MA was fantastic. I am hoping that on thursday MA will be fired from wazir-e-alia's post.

MA has accepted that she plotted many conspiracies against Jodha in the past. So I the think truth behind Jodha's paigam and Shivani elopement will also be revealed soon. Do you think Jalal will be able to forgive himself after knowing that all MUs between him and Jodha were created deliberately?

Once the truth about previous MUs come out, I am sure Jalal will realize that it was not guroor that was holding Jodha back in Amer but it was the fear that she would be mistreated again. As for Jodha, I think she will reach agra by next week's monday or tuesday.


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Posted: 11 years ago
#18

Originally posted by: banuprasa

Nice analysis Mansi👏

Now the MA downfall started. Lets see when Jodha come back to Agra.

Hope Shaguni Bai says "he needs you now. Go back to Agra pronto!"
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Posted: 11 years ago
#19

Originally posted by: Kaana

If the distraught face of Jalal (Precap) is in front of your eyes,

If your heart beats for Jalal

If his pain, pains you too

If you want him to unite with his beloved soon

If your prayers are with him for sure

Say your "Aameen" @

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/jodha-akbar/4004876/jalals-penance

Mansi: Hope you would not mind this appeal in your page.

In general I would prefer not to make my thread a place for appeals etc. ... perhaps you can make this a separate thread, please and delete this post?
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Posted: 11 years ago
#20

Originally posted by: -ambrosia-

Nice analysis mansi😳..

Maham anga ek selfish or power hungry woman hai...yes vo jalal ki life mein no.1 rehna chahti hai but sirf isiliye taaki uski power uski position bani rahey bas ...she loves him vo jallu ko pyar karti hai but sirf apne matlab ke liye dear...
Jodha ka true love uske raastey mein aa raha tha to usne saazishey ki...usney bola jallu jodha ko pyar karne laga isiliye usne aisa kiya she was right but jalal or ruqqu ke baby ko maar diya usne kya bigada tha maham tha...usne ye sab koi jalal ke pyar ke liye nahi balki apne or apne us nikkammey bete ke liye kiya bas..

Agar jalal ki jagah adham hota tab tab kya karti maham ..
Main batati hoon vo adham ka pyar kabhi adham se dur nahi karti uskey liye adham ki khushi matlab rakhti hai or kuch nahi ek servant ki beti ko apni bahu banane ko ready ho gayi thi sirf adham ki khushi ke liye..
But jalal ke case mein uska pyar matlabi ho jaata hai kyun ?? Kyunki tab baat uski position pe aa jaati hai ...
Aaj tak harem mein jitne MC huey sab isney karwaye ye baat saamney aani baaki hai...or kal bada bairam khan kar rahi marwaane waali to vo khud thi BK ko
Abhi to vo cave waali saazish baaki hai or bhi saazish karegi abhi ye ..

Maham sirf khud se or apne nakaraa bete ko pyar karti hai bas or kisi se nahi ..or apne bete ko jo uspar hath tak uthane se nahi darta usko takht pe dekhna chahti hai ...agar jalal ki jagah ye sab saazishey maham ne adham ke sath ki hoti to adham maham ki jaan lene se bhi peechey nahi hat taa ..
Jab jalal ke saamne MC ka sach or cave wala sach aayega tab kya hoga or vo letter wala bhi

Maham ki character bahut hi complicated hai. Woh ek simple villain nahin hai. Uske bahut se "layers" of evil hai!

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