Jodha is totally Hopeless!!!!!!!! - Page 2

Originally posted by: sweetystubborn

If you have read my previous comment then you will see my reference to the past ! If it's only about balanced toward each other , they will be nothing left between them , you did that to me in past , I'm going to give you that back etc etc . . . Then where is heading the Epic lovestory ? Don't forget that when Jalal was humilating and distrusting her publicly , at that time he still didn't have enough trust and proofs to believe over her even though the hatred between them has been pacified enough , they were still the unsecure and hesitation between their relationship , at that time Jalal could still have been easily manipulated by his close one , at that time he was still the heartless and ruthless Jallad and Jodhaa's perfect example of compassionated , innocent , kind hearted and pure woman but what we are finding freaking funny is that the JALLAD has changed a lot during this entire phase meanwhile people keeps judging and accusing him wrong and idolizing and glorifying Jodhaa's acts , the one who used to believe in love and forgiveness , and gives long speeches to her surroundings about it now is confused between the defination of ego and love , the man of her life was bitterly suffering only in order to seek her pardon , the one who wasn't even entire responsable for that , and she herself was in majority and now not even acknowleding her own mistakes , is showing attitude , pretending love for him but to be honest , she is deadly attached and bonded to her own EGO and SELF RESPECT , agree she was hurt but she wasn't totally innocent from this fiasco , her lesser responsable husband , the Emperor , left everything behind him , his pride , dignity , ego , awam , agra and Mughal Sultanat only for her , counting to it we should also add the dhakka issue which is still not resolved and with her presumed betrayal , Jalal has eye closed and overcame over lots and sacrificed lots for her ! So we shouldn't incriminate him in current situation coz of his past misdeeds where he was still the meaningless TE ! Let's be clean and neat not to mix everything in an only one issue !

Originally posted by: lashy

@ Mages, she has also humiliated him many times yaar and accused his character many times - be it discussing with daasis about his sleeping arrangement, be it insulting him during Holi in front of their daasis, be it asking him to go die out of Amer when all he did was ask for some advice, be it accusing his character and storming out in the snowstorm just because she caught his hand under her cheek, be it insulting him during fake pregnancy in front of his family, be it her comments in the Jashan when he was investigating about the culprit, be it her Stree ka Lalsa comment when he'd just confessed about how his life had changed ever since he married her and how much importance she held in his life - both have humiliated and insulted each other... 😳

Now when I see all of this, I don't feel that his Ben insult was 1000 times worse than what she's done to him! Both have been wrong. She's mistrusted his intentions many many times and she had no one influencing her wrongly, unlike him who had a bad family constantly breathing down his neck! Not to mention that she has NEVER apologized for any of this ^^^ while he has for the Ruqs MC and Ben kaand!😳

Nevertheless, this tit-for-tat game is not the way to go ahead! Then, can we say that the Benazir track was a tit-for-tat for all of this??? No na? Jalal was wrong during Benazir, Jodha is wrong now.

They had both decided to put all that behind them after Benazir - but, this track shows that they haven't!

The main difference between the previous issue and this is that this one was not about Jalal trusting the words of his family. The mistrust was started by Jodha - she didn't trust her husband and she did lie too (her intentions were right, but there were many ways she could have avoided this which she didn't) Unfortunately, Jodha brought this upon herself - it was her own doing/undoing!

Till he caught Sujamal in her hojra, he didn't accuse her and he did ask her before that many times.

A woman - even today - who steps out at midnight three times in a row and keeps it from husband/family (even if her intentions are right) and covers up the act - how can she expect not to be suspected? For sure, they would question me in my house! Why, Bharmal accused her too when she went out with Suryabhan saying she was spoiling the family repute! She made no fuss about that then. Jalal didn't do a public tamasha now. She did. Till Bharmal told her she wasn't even ready to let an injured man share her room!!! I'm sorry, but no justification for that!

Both have mistrusted each other. Both have committed mistakes. Jodha is as much to blame here - in fact, the first to blame for lying (again, yes her intentions were right - but if she never said anything to Jalal how is he supposed to guess?)

He has apologized and done everything he could...if she needed time, she should have said that, but she never gave him a proper answer.

His questions today were right 'If a husband saw you with another man in your hojra, what is he to think?'

She answered only 'Vivash' that day and how exactly is he supposed to understand what exactly she means by vivash?

While I agree Janu's come across very strongly in her viewpoints here...Jalal has done what he could. Its time she did hers. He needs to prove his trust in her and she needs to prove her love for him beyond mere kartavya...and both of that is not going to happen if they stay at separate places. 😭

How is she going to gain trust in Jalal by staying back in Amer? Yes, her wounds/anger may need time to abate - but, trust is something that's only going to develop with time and company na...again, I'm not against her deciding to leave Agra or requiring time. I was against her not seeing how she contributed to this MU too.. how she mistrusted and lied too... yes, she was vachan bandh and he was pyar bandh! Donon hi vivash!

Originally posted by: Mages

i believe time heals the pain...all jodha needs is some time to figure out the mess in her life and sort it out...distance makes heart grows fonder and thats the theory happening here...

pin point mistakes its easy...but any women will choose her self-respect when accusation on her is infidelity by her own husband...just becos her husband left home for her...ask her forgiveness...she should hug him and say come darling lets start fresh...i don't believe in that theory...especially when it relates to my home as such situation did happen due to my uncle's blunder as he has some possessive issue...he doesn't like my aunt talk to any man...my aunt took her own time and tries to give him another chance...and now they are living together happily...he doesn't have that issue again...i could related to jodha much becos my aunt went through in real life...

ekta is not showing anything historical...she is showing the real stuff happening in the world...whether its 21st century or 16th century...it happens in every women's life

jodha needs time to heal her wounds and gives a 2nd chance to jallu...

the way jallu/Ameris is behaving is more of forcing his forgiveness on her...he is not trying to understand that she is in dilemma...she has her own demons to fight and thats the reason her ego and pride overshadows her love and feelings for him...i am glad that now he has understood and given her all the time to sort out her inner turmoil...she is mentally disturbed...and thats the reason for her awkward behaviour...well different people has different opinions this was mine...i hope you are not offended...

both are at fault...sometimes time and distance does create miracles...

Originally posted by: sweetystubborn

I respect your POV and I understand that Jodhaa's ego and self respect is hurt but what I'm telling is that she could have avoid those minsunderstandings and troubles , Jalal gave her lots of opportunities to express herself and her worries but she never took even one of it even knowing what he realy meant and wanted to know , Jalal did hurt her but this time he emprunted all sort of ways on his possibility to avoid misunderstanding her once again as before but we should admit that Jodhaa made it happen and for me Jalal has belittled him too much only for her and Jodhaq's only caring about how she's hurt and insulted not even thinking as per how Jalal faced consequences and is suffering , she is pretending to care and love him but the way she used to act and say infront of him let me doubt it cause she is only thinking about himself and is not enough wise and grace to acknowledge her part of responsability but yes , both JaJo were at fault ! Hope distance gonna wake Jodhaa up !

Originally posted by: Mages

thats funny by reading everyone comments...

everyone is furious abt jallu's humiliation in public and how dare she...he is a shahenshah...

but noone bothers to refresh some real old memories of golden 8 months back...how much public humiliation jodha went through in public becos of his stupid trust in wrong people...he even shouted her in public...he even made a maid aka vishkanya sat beside his throne when actually it belongs to jodha...what was she then...wasn't she a princess of Amer...wasn't she a queen of Agra...

the amount of public humiliation jallu has done to jodha is 1000 times bitter than what jodha did tdy...

he folds his hands...ask forgiveness..lets go to Agra...what if he repeats his mistake again when Agra vultures brainwashes him again...will he do the same thing again and again...spend few moments with jodha...Agra vultures instigate him...he suspect her...humiliate her...insult her...manhandle her...accuse her...then upon realising his mistake...fold your hands ask forgiveness as if jodha is not a human but a object...

keep in mind guys...he still trust the wrong people in his pagalkhana...till now he knows nothing abt his vultures in Agra...thus another drama occurs he will still have blind faith on vultures...giving lame excuses "doodh ka karz"..."bachpan ka dosti"..."behen ka shauhar" and so on

here the issue is not love but trust...jodha wants jallu to prove his trust on her and he will not repeat the same mistake again...

she is still in the dilemma becos...she knows if she goes back to Agra...he will repeat his deeds again if another MU occurs...Agra has made her life hell...even though HB..SB are with her...the most important aspect for is her husband's trust and this man always has shake his trust on her...

sorry...i have a different view...i felt it was balance...he humiliate her in public...she did the same...he was rude to her in Agra due to his ego...she is rude to him in Amer due to her ego...

i am not siding jodha...but i can never forget the humiliation jodha has went through in public becos of jallu back in golden era...the list is very long

Originally posted by: Mages

thats funny by reading everyone comments...

everyone is furious abt jallu's humiliation in public and how dare she...he is a shahenshah...

but noone bothers to refresh some real old memories of golden 8 months back...how much public humiliation jodha went through in public becos of his stupid trust in wrong people...he even shouted her in public...he even made a maid aka vishkanya sat beside his throne when actually it belongs to jodha...what was she then...wasn't she a princess of Amer...wasn't she a queen of Agra...

the amount of public humiliation jallu has done to jodha is 1000 times bitter than what jodha did tdy...

he folds his hands...ask forgiveness..lets go to Agra...what if he repeats his mistake again when Agra vultures brainwashes him again...will he do the same thing again and again...spend few moments with jodha...Agra vultures instigate him...he suspect her...humiliate her...insult her...manhandle her...accuse her...then upon realising his mistake...fold your hands ask forgiveness as if jodha is not a human but a object...

keep in mind guys...he still trust the wrong people in his pagalkhana...till now he knows nothing abt his vultures in Agra...thus another drama occurs he will still have blind faith on vultures...giving lame excuses "doodh ka karz"..."bachpan ka dosti"..."behen ka shauhar" and so on

here the issue is not love but trust...jodha wants jallu to prove his trust on her and he will not repeat the same mistake again...

she is still in the dilemma becos...she knows if she goes back to Agra...he will repeat his deeds again if another MU occurs...Agra has made her life hell...even though HB..SB are with her...the most important aspect for is her husband's trust and this man always has shake his trust on her...

sorry...i have a different view...i felt it was balance...he humiliate her in public...she did the same...he was rude to her in Agra due to his ego...she is rude to him in Amer due to her ego...

i am not siding jodha...but i can never forget the humiliation jodha has went through in public becos of jallu back in golden era...the list is very long

fantastic outstanding post

@All:- Fault is from both Jalal and Jodha I know.But I won't agree If you say @Mages that bcoz He had insulted her publicly before during Benazir track gives any reason and justification to Jodha's cold and rude behaviour now with Jalal and humilaiting and insulting him publicly just in her anger.Neither it is fair when He has done no wrong or repented enough for it nor is it right or appreciable in a humane way either.And I don't think,Connecting this track to Benazir time insults of Jodha by Jalal publicly is Fair enough as thats a gone thing and they had move ahead and come a long way after that,Benazir drama or any other old MU and insults has nothing to do with this one.The only thing I take preference and can think of while watching these episodes is of the current whole scenario and how it all took place.This time He didn't believed his relatives like MA and started doubting on Jodha,He trusted her enough that She'll come on his own and share all the things with him,But It was Jodha who had taken him granted the entire time going out at nights(Though her intentions were right as Shraddha di said)and then lying and hiding things from him,Still His trust was strong and He was not doubting her charachter but what is someone there to believe after catching his wife with some Unknown stranger in her room,NOW doubt will arise right and He had the right to question her so He did!!She can't expect not suspect and ask anything to her after all that??!So He just ask questions in hurt and anger and the doubts she herself created and If She wanted She could have said something intially before the yes-no phase rather than "Vivash" but she chose not to and when his tolerance broke the limit,He went to Yes-No mode...!!It was her job to answer something atleast and pacify him and his trust on her when He was constanly asking her,his trust was still there as He kept on saying humare dil se awaz aa rahi hai,But she didn't!!She didn't gave him that reason for him to continue trusting her with his heart on that particular moment and situation by keeping mum!!Had She done so the MU hadn't reached the level it did!!Why to blame Jalal completely for it??!And try to justify her rudeness and ego with him now and public humiliation that she is bestowing on him just coz He had done so in Old PAST incidents which had totally nothing to do with the current scenario!!In this whole track,More than Jodha,Jalal's trust has been betrayed by her lying and hiding things,not trusting him enough to confide on him.He has suffered more,First when He saw her meeting stranger and She never told him anything,2nd when Bcoz of her silence,the only option He was left to believe that His wife was cheating on him,3rd when the truth comes in front of him,He dies in his guilt and She left palace in her hurted+egoistic state to make things worsen for him.Her Ego don't let her even accept her mistakes ever and nor does She ever apologize for them!!For your mention of your Aunt case,Its a different scenario where your uncle didn't even liked her to talk with another man,Here Its different,Here Jalal don't have any such issues,Only when He saw her in the room with stranger did He doubted on her charachter.So Lets not mix that up.Though Its True and I agree with you that Jodha is in a dilemma and needs time to be normal So NOW we should be happy thats gonna happen as He left.My
issues with Jodha is her own lack of trust in Jalal and his charachter She had from a very long time,She had always made very cheap remarks on his charachter and intentions time and again,Be it the snow-fall stormy night or the Jashn during Fake Pregnancy,He was ready to give up on his throne just to put up the religion promise He made to her and Still,Even after all these tracks where He proved He is a man of words,Whenever lateron He come to Her Hojra,Her only reaction is like Aap yahan,Like He'll do something wrong with her and had intention to make love with her without her permission.If This is her own level of trust on him and his charachter after all He had done and proved his charachter to her,How can She always take him for granted then?!Why can't He doubt for once on her intentions and charachter then??!If she can always doubt his charachter in such a cheap way thinking so low of him and making cheap remarks about him,then So can He just like her,Can doubt on her charachter and intention Especially when She is giving such a big reason to do so.Both have flaws and both are at fault from where I see But He don't doubts on her charachter and comments bad about her like regularly (Without any solid reason, doubt and Proof like He had this time)Whereas in Jodha's case This is her Everyday behaviour with him.Did She or anyone of you ever thought that He also feels bad bcoz of this behaviour of hers about his intentions and charachter which don't happen once but almost everytime??!She says He don't trust her,But Thats why I always say I never saw any trust from her side,Never can She trusts him as a person and man of words and charachter,Nor She trusts him as a Friend or husband whom she can confide with her things,Or believe that Yes He'll understand me,I should just try and speak to him for once!!(Proven from this track!!)"

My 2nd problem with her is that She never see things from Jalal view the way He see things from her view too before doing anything.And this is how She always takes him for granted.And this is visible through this entire track.Like He always thought She must be having some majburi,So She is hiding,So I must wait till She decides and is comfortable enough to tell me..He was silent for long time,Bcoz He was trying to think from her pov,that He may not hurt her with his direct questions,He was not only thinking about his own condition and the pain He was enduring bcoz of her hiding things with him but also that She must be feeling bad too hiding things from him,She must be having some majburi so I must not judge her in a hurry and wait till She comes to me...Thats the best part He always thinks in 2 way or you can say in all ways about her and him both...He don't thinks only about his own condition and state of mind but try to see things from her pov too and only then He reacts or confront her directly just so that He not end up hurting her...I'm saying all this keeping only this track in mind as all the past things are done with...Always Remember They had moved ahead from Benazir or all other past tracks... and He don't use to love or trust her that time but even then He used or atleast try to think from both their perspectives but got misguided by MA always.🤢Whereas with Jodha,Its always a one-sided view and story,She had never even tried to see things from his perspective.Its always her pain,and her hurt,what about him??!Her behaviour is not of a True Queen or Just and Fair Princess for sure...At the end of this track too,Jalal understood her view,the pain She must be going through bcoz of him and his wrong accusations and harsh words!!Even understood that her Ego is stopping her So He bended down his own ego and pride joining hands,bowing head to pacify hers wounded Pride,self-respect and ego.But with Jodha,Its again That He hurted me,He didn't trusted me,He said harsh katu vachan to me,And didn't nibhofied Shaadi ke vachan,She never takes things from his pov,of how She also hurted him,didn't trusted him the entire track and broken the marital vow time and again...She hurts him daily with her rudeness and katu vachan too...But as I said She only thinks of her own views and problems and what She endures and not his EVER...wheras He does think about both their situations, problems and pains,His view is more mature and Kingly whereas She behaves onesidedly and childishly on name of a Queen and princess...And Rest I guess the reason for this is Her Ego don't let her think about his view at all...Her Ego is far and much greater than anyone I have ever seen in any serial's hero or heroine or any charachter.😆So this led to My 3rd issue with her,Where She never see her faults and EVER apologizes for her mistakes but Jalal have it in him to do that always.My point is simple There love and charachters needs to be balanced now and have equality to show us a lovestory.🤔

There is 1 more thing,How can someone who claims so much to be in love and runs to save his life all the time be so insensitive towards his feelings,pain or emotions??!Jalal on one hand during the Suji track was concerned about Jodha's life and protection and was also bothered to not hurt her emotions or feelings in anyway by asking questions and Jodha on the other hand was bothered about only to protect Jalal's life and prove her brother innocent,Nor for once She was concerned about lying to Jalal,or the fact He might get hurt on knowing about her night meetings and hiding that from him and assume She betrayed his trust and get heart-broken,She was only bothered that He might kill Sujamal.!!😳Also She is not moved one bit with all the pain and repentance He is going through from so long,She was not even touched slightest bit and felt even a bit bad to see his pain or helpness to be exact When He asks Maafi as She so coldly and rudely says NO!!!Which lover can be so insensive and unbothered to the emotions of the one she claims to love?!So cold and unconcerned about what the other person might be going through in front of her own Ego??!No wonder She don't feels guilty about keeping silent,lying or hiding things from him coz She was only bothered to save and protect his life and not his emotions,It does not matter to her What he feels or not coz Her mission was only to save his life and so She don't even regret any of her lying or wrong actions of hurting him and his emotions in the process.It proves that She is in not really in love with him ever..!!,She was just doing her "Kartavya" and She had some possessive "Care" waali feelings for him and his life,and She can go any length to protect her suhaag,There is nothing more from her side.Seriously Just Nothing Else.🤔So the CV's need to show some REAL love from her side where She for once without thinking can give up on her Ego for Jalal and do anything to be with him like He is doing now.And where She won't be bothered only About Pati ki Raksha-Suraksha and Genuinely cares about his emotions just the way He cares for her.Then only this will be a True love story of both lovers,Otherwise This is only a one-sided love-story where Her "Kartavya" and "Care" is being forced on us as love by the Useless CV's!!🤔

Ok These are the things irking me alot about this type of Love from Jodha's side.!!And I want to see some Real Love from her side.!!!So yaa...Its finally out of My system...And you are totally free to disagree with me!!😛 😆 😳


@All:- "I'll try to reply back to everyone If I get time.😳"

Originally posted by: amina1

Yeah and she only askabouther brother when everything gotcalmed,she do est know the meaning of lovethats all i can say,to love is to forgive,

She can only forgive backstabbers🤣

Originally posted by: shivamala

Thanks, I did not like Jodha's attitude she could have been polite in front of other people who were watching her dance, she was very rude. I can understand her hurt etc, but in front of other this not acceptable behavior.

Exactly but uska Anger is more important than anything na!!So what can She do!!😕 Bichari.😭